The Audio Preservation Thread — Page 4

Here's an amendment for Ghostbusters, or possible an addition (the original sync might have its uses if the earlier BD and the 4K aren't frame-matched - I haven't taken the time to check).

Movie: Ghostbusters

Format: Laserdisc CC1182L

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, Bit Perfect

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: 2013 Blu-ray Release Region A (4K Remaster)

Ripped/Synced by: Jonno

Notes: From the Criterion laserdisc. Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.

captainsolo said:

BTW it is thought that the 1992 first WS LD of Jaws has a slightly different mix due to a few source cues being changed for rights issues.

Thanks PDB, that's what I thought about Criterion vs. MGM as I've noticed form other films I've compared of theirs. I still want to see the MGM NbyNW disc for the transfer as it's reputed to be completely different from all others.

There shouldn't be stereo for NbyNW as it only played in mono, even at the full VistaVision premiere. Plus the VV system used Perspecta directioned 3 track sound in the big venues anyway. The mono track obliterates the 5.1 which in comparison is too tamed and safe.

Vertigo's old LD is analog only so we've often thought a Beta or VHS issue may yield slightly better audio. I haven't got the chance to really take a close look at the new mono on the BD (in DTS) but I'm almost positive the 2005 Masterpiece Collection DVD mono is the same as the old analog LD source. Certainly sounds like it.

I know of some who have been working with the GBU audio and especially with the rumors of a reissue BD, that might be something to tackle later. Is that the 1998 deleted scenes Italian mono you're referring to or a different source?

Ok, here's my growing shelf:

http://www.lddb.com/collection.php?action=list&user=sdraper

 

Jonno, when the headroom is limited is that what contributes to having to massively increase the volume in order to reach normal sound levels? I had to do this last night with the ESB SWE disc.

Yeah, I heard about the Jaws music changes in the other thread. I assume the Signature Edition is ok?

I just like having the options. I can listen to the mono with all of its pluses and minuses or the 5.1. I just want to get as close to the theatrical sound as possible. I think studio believe that most people nowadays have an aversion to a mono soundtrack.

Sorry, I must of misread your earlier post, captainsolo. I read it as the Criterion NbyNW LD's audio was sourced from a stereo print not a mono print, which didn't make sense.

I agree that sourcing the Vertigo LD analog soundtrack might be a waste of time, since it will definitely lack fidelity but I have the LD so I thought why not? It might be nice to compare it to the regular dts on the Blu-ray. See if there is anything to be gained.

I was referencing the Italian mono on the Mondo (Italian) blu-ray. It is amazingly loud.

Great collection BTW. If you need anything synced let me know.

Jonno said:

Here's an amendment for Ghostbusters, or possible an addition (the original sync might have its uses if the earlier BD and the 4K aren't frame-matched - I haven't taken the time to check).

Movie: Ghostbusters

Format: Laserdisc CC1182L

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, Bit Perfect

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: 2013 Blu-ray Release Region A (4K Remaster)

Ripped/Synced by: Jonno

Notes: From the Criterion laserdisc. Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.

Just added, thanks Jonno.

I'm working on Raiders (widescreen LD) right now.

msycamore said:

Great stuff you guys are doing! :) Hope to help out adding to this list when the time comes. Wish I had your expertise when it comes to syncing audio. So are everyone of these tracks only prepared in a synced state? It would be fantastic if the raw rips also gets preserved as to not being locked to a specific video transfer for future use.

Love to have you add some soundtracks, msycamore. I learned how to do by asking others (jonno, zeropc) here and just experimenting. I can only speak for myself but I keep a copy of the original unsynced track also. You never know when a new video format will be out (like 4K) and frankly my LD player is from the mid 90s so you never know when it will give up the ghost.

You've already helped plenty, msycamore - it was your rip of the Alien 70mm track (over a year ago) that got me started on this whole business!

I too keep the original rips safely archived - along with the Audition edit projects - but for the time being I'm not in a position to do anything else with them... my upload speeds just about enable me to share the finished products once in a while.

I'm just getting started on Moonraker this weekend, hope to have a result before too long because the analogue Black Hole disc is on its way to me...

At some point, it might be prudent to gather all the original rips together and post them to usenet.

Not sure if this is right here or not really didn't want to start a new thread on this but here goes, I know this was discussed at least a little in another thread but I have no idea which it was now and can't find it, but is there any interest in the DTS 5.1 track from the Laserdisc for Mortal Kombat? with a friends help I finally learned how to rip DTS tracks from LD's and from what was discussed before it is different then what is on the BD, not sure what is different but I am going to put it in sync with the BD and was wondering if there is any interest or not, if not that's cool just asking.

1 more thing if anyone knows what the difference is between the track on the BD compared to this I would love to know.

Thanks

ps. I may do Mortal Kombat Annihilation but not sure, I do not have this LD and from what I remember the sequel was not to good lol.

sure, why not :)

zeropc said:

sure, why not :)

Thanks man but is it different? do you know? I wish I could find that thread lol.

i don't know, but silverwook mentioned that the bd audio is week compared to the ld-dts

zeropc said:

i don't know, but silverwook mentioned that the bd audio is week compared to the ld-dts

Thanks zero maybe that is all I read and it stuck with me because I have the LD, but I could have sworn there was a little more said on the comparison, but maybe not, thanks again and either way I am going to put it in sync with the BD at some point.

Got a lot of real life stuff going but I was finally able to finish the Raiders sync to the BD. I haven't tested it yet so if someone wants to give it a try just PM me.

Movie: (Indiana Jones And The) Raiders Of The Lost Ark

Format: Laserdisc LV 1376-WS

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, Bit Perfect

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: 2012 Blu-ray Release Region A 

Ripped/Synced by: PDB

Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.

I also added the Criterion Halloween Mono that Dark Jedi ripped and Doombot synced to the list:

Movie: Halloween

Format: Laserdisc CC1462L

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Mono 44.1 khz, 16-bit

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Mono 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: 2013 Blu-ray Release Region A

Ripped/Synced by: Dark Jedi/Doombot

Notes: From the Criterion laserdisc. Contains the original theatrical mono.

Awesome thread and great work guys.  This is why I love the internet!

Thanks, Andrea. :)

Added Andrea and thanks for keeping this thread alive. I've been busy and I'm glad someone is still syncing soundtracks. Hoping to get back to it soon.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Movie: Halloween (isolated score & effects track)

Format: Laserdisc CC1399L (Criterion CAV)

Input Soundtrack: analog Mono laserdisc soundtrack

Output Soundtrack: PCM 1.0 Mono 48 kHz, 16-bit

Synced To: 35th Anniversary Blu-ray

Ripped/Synced by: _,,,^..^,,,_

Notes: syncronized using only AviSynth; discrepancies should be less than +/- 8.5ms (half NTSC field)

You could find it here.

 Added!

I was working on The Goonies' PCM Dolby Stereo but there was an error and I will have to recapture. So in the meantime I'm finishing the Indy Trilogy by doing Last Crusade. Last Crusade doesn't seem too dynamically different then the Blu-Ray unlike Raiders and Temple did, but I will complete for the sake of thoroughness.

Eventually, I will also do the Raiders DVD's AC3 soundtrack and sync it to the Blu-ray. The AC3 track was mastered from the original 70mm tracks with a mono surround where as the BD's have a remix split/stereo surround. Does anyone know if Temple is the same? I know Last Crusade has split/stereo surround on the original 70mm.

crissrudd4554 was nice enough to provide me with Dracula's and Frankenstein's analog soundtrack from the VHS. Frankenstein is notable for have the censored soundtrack. I think it is nice to preserve this for historic sake. I want to sync those and the 1999 DVD soundtracks to the new Blu-rays

captainsolo said: Most notable is the sound panning across channels in ROTLA and TOD which is gone in the remix.

 I did a casual comparison between the BD and PDB's Temple of Doom LD audio and, from what I could tell, the dialogue panning from the LD was still present on the BD (Willie's panning during the opening music number, from centre to right and back to centre, was smoother on the 35mm-sourced LD mix, though - whereas it almost jumps from channel to channel on the 70mm-sourced BD remix). Can you recommend me a scene or two to check out?