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The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome). — Page 58

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Bingowings said:

Here's an idea that might not make me any friends.

Instead of having the Krayt dragon call scare off the Sandpeople why not just have Ben appear right next to one of them while they were trashing Luke's speeder (as if he has used his Jedi stealth to sneak up on them).

There could be an insert of a Tuscan looking up and see a robed figure right next to them and stare into his hood.

The line, "Hello there" could even be shunted slightly back so he addresses the sandperson and not Artoo.

His spooky nature and possibly his reputation could do the rest.

That way you don't have the somewhat odd shot of an old guy in a dressing gown making funny noises while approaching the more formidable looking alien chaps with spiky mummified face masks on.

He could then check on look and beckon Artoo out of hiding with the remainder of the lines. 

I actually did something different for this scene in my Redemption edit. It was always one of my few issues with ANH. They hear a Krayt dragon, and then see an elderly man stumbling towards and their response is to run... Even after taking out a healthy/much younger man? My solution is: They hear the dragon; then look in the direction of the noise, and see nothing... They freak out and run. It's going with the idea that it's the things you don't see that scare you the most.

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"My solution is: They hear the dragon; then look in the direction of the noise, and see nothing... They freak out and run. It's going with the idea that it's the things you don't see that scare you the most."

 

^^ Awesome. I'd like to see someone give that a try. I miss the krayt call from the 04 dvd. Maybe it's just because I got used to that.

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mrbenja0618 said:

My solution is: They hear the dragon; then look in the direction of the noise, and see nothing... They freak out and run. It's going with the idea that it's the things you don't see that scare you the most.

George Lucas said:

This solution doesnt affect the visuals and i have to pay the animators to do something.It doesn't create any tension and depth that required for the upcoming 3d release. Thats why a new CG dragon will be added created by the high count of Ben's midichlorians.

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OH Fnck NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?

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You got me, Angel!

(we were discussing this ^^ picture on the FE chatroom, without knowing it was from Angel...)

Funny how a poor drawing can be taken as a lucasfilm new special effect these days....

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Even the gun and the location of this room makes no sense the most reasonable solution is to add a better tie in with ESB patterns.

Tho its not the bridge the triangle windows are spread all over the star destroyers even if they are not windows.

One other solution is remove the gun and make the pod coming from down to top so it fixes the perspective issue that creates.

Finaly Bingo's idea about a monitor is an option.


-Angel

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mrbenja0618 said:

I actually did something different for this scene in my Redemption edit. It was always one of my few issues with ANH. They hear a Krayt dragon, and then see an elderly man stumbling towards and their response is to run... Even after taking out a healthy/much younger man? My solution is: They hear the dragon; then look in the direction of the noise, and see nothing... They freak out and run. It's going with the idea that it's the things you don't see that scare you the most.
Love it.

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Bingowings said:

Excuse my crude scribbles please :

Yup! I thought about it. tho i wanted to keep it original as possible with its all errors.

Again the black uniform officers doesnt resemble the gray ones in ESB as captains..

This area might be in the low levels of the ship. Talking only visually.


-Angel

PS: Now noticed the new gun position!!! I LOVE IT :D

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TV's Frink said:

 

mrbenja0618 said:

I actually did something different for this scene in my Redemption edit. It was always one of my few issues with ANH. They hear a Krayt dragon, and then see an elderly man stumbling towards and their response is to run... Even after taking out a healthy/much younger man? My solution is: They hear the dragon; then look in the direction of the noise, and see nothing... They freak out and run. It's going with the idea that it's the things you don't see that scare you the most.
Love it.

 

Thank you kind sir.

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I always imagined the SD "bridge" shot to be a viewscreen comparable to the one on the Death Star... so why not just modify the "window" area by cloning the DS viewscreen and imposing the outer space view over Alderaan or whatnot?  That way, it doesn't matter which direction the gun itself is facing (left/right or up/down), as the viewscreen could access any number of cameras located all over the SD hull.

 

In regards to the Krayt Dragon scream, here's my idea:

(1) keep the original scream.  The others are just goofy

(2) I can understand erasing Ben waving his arms around, as the scream is pretty scary, but a man flopping his arms in a loose fitting robe isn't.  So I say you could erase him so you have a scream coming from nothing (which WOULD be pretty scary) oooor if you HAVE to put a creature in there, keep it subtle to this degree:

 

If you look at the first image (Ben only), you will notice that the sun is behind the camera, and the shadow on the ground is coming from a hill behind us.  Why not have the shadow of a creature come over the hill, essentially filling in the area the robed man would be, so the Tuskens would think said Krayt Dragon is coming over the hill behind them?

Also (if Ady is reading this), maybe add a bit of an echo or stadium sound to the original Krayt Dragon scream, being that they are in a cavern (and it would sound GREAT on a 5.1 sound system).  You could even manipulate the directionality of the scream, so it starts out at a certain pitch far in the back (coming from the center channel speaker), and then grows louder as if something invisible is coming up on you (if you choose the "delete Ben only" option)... which would be a nice nod to FORBIDDEN PLANET, among other many nods... (meaning it would still fit with the original spirit of ANH and would be something one could see Lucas doing in 1977).

One more thing you could do regarding FP is add depressions into the ground and some animated rocks rolling down to the left, ie. footprints of an invisible beast as it approaches.

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It seems one thing no one really mentions is what can be done with the manipulation of sound.  Visual FX are obviously a straight-forward change, but what sound options could be utilized to either improve or add effect to the story telling process?

Things such as manipulating sound FX to be more directional (X-wing, MF, TIE fighter[s] etc moving from one side of the screen to the other in a more audibly dramatic way by taking the existing sound FX but increasing/decreasing the original sounds from one set of speakers to the other to really emphasize movement), or adding more background sound elements to things like the Cantina scene or ANH/EMPIRE rebel base scenes (layered in loudness to add depth to crowd scenes). 

Hearing speaking/conversations (nothing too loud) over our shoulders (in rear speakers) say during Luke's confrontation with the "wanted men" in the Cantina.

 During the Detention Block rescue, emphasizing the sound of the lasers to go over our shoulder and maybe add impact explosion sounds in the rear speakers.

 

And while slightly off topic, I just had to share these for you:

 

         

 “You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”

– Homer Simpson

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(post moved to EMPIRE-JEDI WISHLIST thread)

 

 

         

 “You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”

– Homer Simpson

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Watching Asteroid-Man's edit gave me a few new ideas.

Not sure if this possible but what if Leia instead of telling us that Obi-Wan served her father in the Clone Wars said he served her mother?

Padme is helped directly, several times in the PT, Bail hardly ever interacts with Obi-Wan and doesn't really help him much (more the other way around).

The other thing was what if the plans are inside Threepio (but his memory has been wiped) and Artoo is charged with getting him to Obi-Wan?

For security reasons he can't explain this to Threepio so when Threepio refuses to help he tries to bring Obi-wan to the Threepio or Threepio to Obi-Wan.

When R2 is captured by the Jawas adding a few bleeps could create the impression that he is telling them about Threepio and we could then see them pick him up the next day on their way to the auction at the Lars homestead.

When the Rebels retrieve the plans we could see the 'memory cable' attached to the disc in Threepio's tummy.

Basically Artoo is leading Threepio by the nose to the right place. 

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Your first idea is interesting... And while you may not be able to get her to say mother, you could get her to say, "You served WITH my father" which is closer to the truth. Something I may visit in my edit.

Your last edit however, not sure what the point would be. Maybe I'm missing something?

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Oops! That last one was supposed to be in the EMPIRE - JEDI WISHLIST thread (moving right now)...

         

 “You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”

– Homer Simpson

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Just wanted to post, that I have started a small fanedit of my own (inspired by some ideas at the http://swmasteredition.blogspot.com). The source is ANH:R and the main goals are simple:

- make Vader a stronger character, slowing down some of his gestures, spoken phrases, in some case lowering the pitch of his voice, reduce if not eliminate Tarkin holding Vader's leash, alter/remove all moments when Vaders authority might be in question.

- remove some other stuff, that bothers me, like the torture needle, etc. (I'll post more later as I get on with the edit).

 

Done so far: edited the scene aboard the Tantive IV when Lea is brought to Vader.

AUDIO: He now speaks the phrase 'Take her away!' slightly slower and in a lower tone.

VIDEO: Inserted a couple frames to smooth and slow down his hand gesture.

The following scene where an officer says 'Holding her is dangerous!' and then the other officer informing Vader about the jettisoned escape pod is cut. After Vader says 'Take her away' we see the stormtroopers escorting Lea away with a wipe to the stardestroyer.

I feel there is nothing important lost by cutting the segment while making Vader stronger. We don't need to see him talking to so many low ranking officers.

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Interesting. I'd like to see a clip of what you've done. And it might be good to start your own thread if you have indeed begun your own edit. Good luck!

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mrbenja0618 said:

Bingowings said:

Here's an idea that might not make me any friends.

Instead of having the Krayt dragon call scare off the Sandpeople why not just have Ben appear right next to one of them while they were trashing Luke's speeder (as if he has used his Jedi stealth to sneak up on them).

There could be an insert of a Tuscan looking up and see a robed figure right next to them and stare into his hood.

The line, "Hello there" could even be shunted slightly back so he addresses the sandperson and not Artoo.

His spooky nature and possibly his reputation could do the rest.

That way you don't have the somewhat odd shot of an old guy in a dressing gown making funny noises while approaching the more formidable looking alien chaps with spiky mummified face masks on.

He could then check on look and beckon Artoo out of hiding with the remainder of the lines. 

I actually did something different for this scene in my Redemption edit. It was always one of my few issues with ANH. They hear a Krayt dragon, and then see an elderly man stumbling towards and their response is to run... Even after taking out a healthy/much younger man? My solution is: They hear the dragon; then look in the direction of the noise, and see nothing... They freak out and run. It's going with the idea that it's the things you don't see that scare you the most.

I agree. Simple edit would be to show Obi Wan walking after the Tusken's take off. Leave it to the imagination what image he may have projected.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Joshua_Blue said:

Just wanted to post, that I have started a small fanedit of my own (inspired by some ideas at the http://swmasteredition.blogspot.com).

Ah fascinating! I'm always excited for an alternate take on ANH, especially Revisited-based ones. Best of luck on it. I too would recommend starting your own thread on it. In any case, a stronger Vader could be intriguing and more fitting in the saga.

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I might do that, start my own thread. BTW, I am not using any advanced programs like most of the faneditors here do.

For video I am using Kdenlive on Linux - it works surprisingly well for video, interface is simple and intuitive, but the audio editing sucks, so I am using  Cool Edit Pro (Windows). For image editing I use GIMP. That's it.