The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome). — Page 57

I would say I'm for your new rendition of the DS on the grounds that it looks AWESOME.

Harmy said:

.....there is no reason to change it. Especially if you're basically just recreating with CGI what's originally been done perfectly with practical FX.

Oh, and in the last sample, you can see pieces of the original DS on the edges of the CG one.

You're absolutely right Harmy, I quickly pasted the new render over the image....there is even a matte blocking off some of the stars.....I posted it just to show different lighting and contrast as suggested by another post

......also the reason for going CG is not to recreate what has been done before, I did this 'sketch' to showcase Angels (very well done) Death Star model, by trying to emulate the compositions from the original movie,.....in the end I would be happy with a more dynamic new composition.

Thanks for feedback guys

J

One thing I'd be interested in seeing Angel's model do is have the Death Star jump out of Hyperspace.

From nothing to in your face metal moon would be a visual first for a Star Wars edit.

It would also be potentially difficult to pull off without losing some of the awe of the scale of the station but it would be a good way of road testing the model.

After looking at the RmcQ concept paintings, I was struck on how confined the establishing Tatooine shots are.....Ralphs painting makes R2 & 3po seem truly lost and isolated.....

J

Hello all.  Long time lurker.  Well, with the upcoming blu-ray release of Star Wars coming out I've decided to enter the discussion to get some ideas for my own personal saga cut I've wanted to do for some time.

So......this is definately a bit of a radical idea, but I wanted to see what other people thought of it.  There have been a lot of attempts to try and reedit the obi-wan and vader duel into something more like the energetic and flahsier fights of the PT....but in the end reediting can only get you so far because of the limits of the choreography.

Has anyone ever thought, maybe, about just cutting the duel entirely?  Within the context of the original trilogy or the film on its own this would be almost blasphemous...but within the context of all six movies, I wonder if it would actually be more effective.

Almost any lightsaber fight that could have been done or redone wouldn't have the same drama or emotional impact as the fight from episode 3 anyway, and perhaps it says more about obi-wan's experience and how much he's learned, and adds more shock, by him not dueling at all.

The way i see it working is this:

Obi-wan see's vader, who walks towards him, lightsaber not ignited.

VADER: "I've been Waiting for you obi-wan....".....etc. etc.

OBI-WAN: "You can't win.  If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

TheIR sabers ignite and the stormtroopers move in to watch, luke and the others sneak around to get the falcon.  Vader and Obi-wan remain poised....as if waiting for the other to strike.  Luke see's Obi-wan, who in turn see's luke.  Vader moves in to make the first strike, begining the fight.........and obi-wan makes no attempt to parry, choosing instead to meditate.

Just a thought.....what say you all?

i guess it depends what angle you would be editting from. in this case you are suggesting editting an OT to fit with themes and visuals from the PT, which would be interesting to see.

personally i would argue a less flashy lightsaber duel with more banter creates a greater depth emotionally, ie luke's run at vader in ROTJ after holding back all film.

back to the earlier point though, it would be interesting to see. i'd argue for editting down the ep III duel a bit, and maybe recutting the ep IV duel to make them fit each other.

There's some undeniably cheesy lines that permeate the Obi and Anakin duel in episode III.....but you really think there's more emotion in the epiv duel?

I don't know.....I feel it's extremely and (again, in the context of no prequel trilogy) wisely understated.  These characters were both fairly mysterious and their histories were spoken of very vaguely.  It would have been out of place for an overly dramatic and emotional fight to take place.

To me, the drama and emotion from that scene comes much more from look obi-wan gives luke, who then proceeds to watch his master fall to vader.

Sepharih said:

Hello all.  Long time lurker.  Well, with the upcoming blu-ray release of Star Wars coming out I've decided to enter the discussion to get some ideas for my own personal saga cut I've wanted to do for some time.

 

So......this is definately a bit of a radical idea, but I wanted to see what other people thought of it.  There have been a lot of attempts to try and reedit the obi-wan and vader duel into something more like the energetic and flahsier fights of the PT....but in the end reediting can only get you so far because of the limits of the choreography.

Has anyone ever thought, maybe, about just cutting the duel entirely?  Within the context of the original trilogy or the film on its own this would be almost blasphemous...but within the context of all six movies, I wonder if it would actually be more effective.

Almost any lightsaber fight that could have been done or redone wouldn't have the same drama or emotional impact as the fight from episode 3 anyway, and perhaps it says more about obi-wan's experience and how much he's learned, and adds more shock, by him not dueling at all.

The way i see it working is this:

Obi-wan see's vader, who walks towards him, lightsaber not ignited.

VADER: "I've been Waiting for you obi-wan....".....etc. etc.

OBI-WAN: "You can't win.  If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

TheIR sabers ignite and the stormtroopers move in to watch, luke and the others sneak around to get the falcon.  Vader and Obi-wan remain poised....as if waiting for the other to strike.  Luke see's Obi-wan, who in turn see's luke.  Vader moves in to make the first strike, begining the fight.........and obi-wan makes no attempt to parry, choosing instead to meditate.

Just a thought.....what say you all?

At first I thought this idea was stupid no offense, but the more I contemplated it, it sounded more interesting to me. Is it wrong to cut the majority of the duel? If you can cut it in such a way where you still keep those lines, then you still maintain the emotion of the two meeting again... The more I think about this, it actually could make more sense... He's come to the understanding that fighting Vader himself isn't the answer. That's why he says what he says. Why fight at all if you're going to give yourself for the greater good. It could be said, and is probably true that he was waiting for the right moment.. The moment being when he knew Luke and the others were back on the ship...But why not cut to the chase?

I have to think about this.... With your permission, this might show up on my edit.

As much as I love the duel, cutting it is an inspired idea. The duel was inserted there to introduce audiences in 1977 to lightsaber fights, but with the series working as a whole, it would probably be interesting to have it cut. Ben come across as having become more contemplative since Episode III and Vader seems more brash and revenge-driven still.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

As much as I love the duel, cutting it is an inspired idea. The duel was inserted there to introduce audiences in 1977 to lightsaber fights, but with the series working as a whole, it would probably be interesting to have it cut. Ben come across as having become more contemplative since Episode III and Vader seems more brash and revenge-driven still.

Precisely.

Given the fact that slight audio tweakes proved to work perfectly if done carefully, I guess you could replace the line 

"you can't win Darth" with "you won't win...darth"

Putting you won't win Darth gives a sense of plan to OB1's action; as someone said, he's already thought of a possible encounter with Anakin. And the pause before Darth would be just an idea to make the whole thing a little more ironic following Kenobi's prequel style, and a nice solution to the thing of Darth being Vader's first name. 

mrbenja0618 said:

At first I thought this idea was stupid no offense, but the more I contemplated it, it sounded more interesting to me. Is it wrong to cut the majority of the duel? If you can cut it in such a way where you still keep those lines, then you still maintain the emotion of the two meeting again... The more I think about this, it actually could make more sense... He's come to the understanding that fighting Vader himself isn't the answer. That's why he says what he says. Why fight at all if you're going to give yourself for the greater good. It could be said, and is probably true that he was waiting for the right moment.. The moment being when he knew Luke and the others were back on the ship...But why not cut to the chase?

I have to think about this.... With your permission, this might show up on my edit.

Absolutely no offense taken. The first time it entered my head I wrote it off pretty quick as a stupid thought as well. Then as I started thinking about it more and more.....and it actually started to make a bit of sense to me. Don't ever worry about asking permission from me for ideas though. I totally get asking permission for using someone's edit as a base for their own, but ideas and suggestions I figure are something that should be to promote discussion and inspiration. Any of my ideas are free game.

I think there definitely needs to be some VFX to make the scene work though. The biggest problem with this edit in terms of the technical aspect would probably be that it would look too much like Vader and Ben are just standing around with their sabers for 10 minutes not doing anything. You would need to edit it and paint out some shots to avoid this, as it would look rather silly.

I see what you mean...but I don't know if its even necessary. Can't and won't both already imply a plan I think.

Also, I understand people who will disagree with this....but I would just remove “darth” entirely. Simply have him say “You can't win” and leave it at that. It changes the delivery I know.....but it just seems more straightforward to me.

It's an interesting idea.

I'm not sure how it would play out in terms of pacing but story wise you could probably get away with cutting much of the actual duel out.

When the two meet it's pretty obvious what's going to happen and having a few shots towards the end would underline what was happening.

The current duel is clearly not as acrobatic as any of the PT duels which are almost comically over done so that's not a bad thing in itself.

I rather like the more delicate fencing of the 1977 duel but it might make for an interesting alternative to see just how much is necessary to get the story point across.

There were plenty of gunslinger duels in classic westerns which are just a single gunshot underlined by the reactions of the other characters.

jonathan7 said:

It's an interesting idea although, I would like to point something out...

I don't know how many of you have done any sword fighting; I've done a bit in Aikido, and I actually think the ANH duel is actually far more realistic than the Prequel Trilogy fights. (I'm not claiming to be any master or special... So if anyone knows better I'm happy to be corrected). Here's a video of Kendo; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh2TNO5CGXQ Also found a video of longsword fighting here; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8PGRo61rCQ

As such although the Prequel fights may look more impressive, they got more and more OTT in my opinion. The Maul fight I think was really well done, but the later fights I find a bit meh. This may partly been because for Episode 3, I'd pictured Obi-Wan really regretfully taking Vader apart piece by piece.

Realistically speaking, sure, the Obi-wan and Vader fight in episode iv is probably the most practical and realistic of the duels.

Still......I personally feel like the over the top bombastic swordfights of the PT more befit the epic space fantasy world of Star Wars.  They feel more at home to me amongst things like their overblown starship fights.  This ultimately is just something that boils down to how you interepret Star Wars personally I think.

what i wouldn't give to see this in ANH:R

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD4ss39U2Dk

I personally feel that its possible to enjoy both types of lightsaber dueling. Its not something that's ever annoyed me. Also, why does everyone talk about the Sidious/Yoda duel being unnecessary when clearly the most unnecessary part of ROTS is the Grevious/Kenobi duel.  

Here's an idea that might not make me any friends.

Instead of having the Krayt dragon call scare off the Sandpeople why not just have Ben appear right next to one of them while they were trashing Luke's speeder (as if he has used his Jedi stealth to sneak up on them).

There could be an insert of a Tuscan looking up and see a robed figure right next to them and stare into his hood.

The line, "Hello there" could even be shunted slightly back so he addresses the sandperson and not Artoo.

His spooky nature and possibly his reputation could do the rest.

That way you don't have the somewhat odd shot of an old guy in a dressing gown making funny noises while approaching the more formidable looking alien chaps with spiky mummified face masks on.

He could then check on look and beckon Artoo out of hiding with the remainder of the lines.