i ve noticed the damn marks in the rock. I assumed that was random markings. It could be awesome puting some alien marks or marks from indiana jones :).Seeing some other shots you can see some carbage or plastic shit around the rocks. All the boring canyon shots will be replaced with more dramatic ones plus they will have all the same daytime rather a mess ;)
@Mr J: Dont stop! Keep these coming! The more radical is something more welcome is it.
Considering taking reference from JJ's Star trek when the ships are on hyper/warp speed and replace the boring horizontal shot from back of millenium falcon. Enterprise's halls have the perfect settings of how tantive's halls can be more interesting. Tilted cameras and such.
Tantive IV will be replaced as well Ships will NOT fly straight again! Evasive manuevers anyone?
There is a shot of TFU that showing they throw tantive to oblivion and it explodes out of screen. I like that idea to be in the movie and replace the hurry star destroyer scene leaving to deathstar(i assume) Ever wondered why the SDs are moving so fast in ANH? lol
One thing id like to remove is the random white flashes/frames that are suposed to be flashes from blasters. If its possible to intergrade the missing frames i can be happy :D
-Angel
I doubt this would be possible or worth it, but Jae's recent pic with the rock removed from Luke's landspeeder reminded me of how lifeless that little ship looks.
I've always thought it needed some subtle blinking lights or some smoke coming out from somewhere.
In TPM I think we see these spinning fans on the back of pods....maybe something like that?
Hard to see really......but here's a quickie mockup.....just something to show the thing is functioning.
Has the topic of Vader telling one of his officers at the ramp of the captured Falcon that 'he senses something' been discussed?
It is a bit daft. Pity we can't see the expression of the officer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q7QyPQ3Ou8
Play it to the end as I've fixed it & the stormies repeating there is no-one on board.
EDIT: Replaced link as Youtube disabled audio
J
The first part would be a great edition to the Worst Edit Ideas Thread.
Why did they cut the sound?
They cut the sound because I used The Pretenders 'I'll stand by you' which I used cause it says "I saw the dark side".
Here's the end bit of the clip...just editing out the dumb line.
I don't know why Ady kept in the SE added stormies saying 'there's no-one here' as it doesn't make sence, especially after the officer told Vader there was no-one on board, kinda makes the officer looks like he was spoofing..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0a3NtKOkzg
J
I'll have to check Ady's SW:R to see if he removed the 'Praxis Ring' effect from the Death Star explosion, but I had a muck about with it, it kinda looks a bit Flash Gordon!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BuU8dVoIjQ
And don't worry about the gravity pulling the sparks down (it's only a mock-up)
J
Something that needs to be fixed:
When the beep goes off on the Millienium Falcon when they're losing deflector shields before they make the jump to Lighspeed and head to Alderaan (before it was destroyed), the flashing red light on the button goes on a few seconds before the beep starts.
Jaitea said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0a3NtKOkzg
J
Hey! That works ace! I really love the way you thinking mr J ;) I couldnt figure the transition. Flawless :D
As for the DS explosion i d love to see an extensive surface damage from inside out. Why again we dont have star destroyers in the battle? Maybe we can adress that the fleet is missing and the rebels have not only the hurry to strike before the DS is in range but the fleet will come to defend the station.
Maybe also we can have the fleet arrives at the end and got blown away from the DS explosion.
THere is a nice clip from TFU that shows a graveyard of star destroyers.
-Angel
Thanks Angel,
The Vader scene I only just noticed was a bit daft, yunno, all of us here have seen these movies countless times, but when reviewing that scene it just sounds like its from a B'movie.
Like he's gonna say that out loud.
The Death Star explosion is just a bit of fun, The original explosion is a bit week, the SE explosion is straight from another Sci-Fi movie series, my one is a bit more like a huge mechanical thing just blew up, I might try it with a few Star Destroyers around it.
J
Comparing OT with PT you can clearly see that the sun is almost visible in the various space shots when in OT is not.
but when the MF arrives to the DS we see a lens flare behind it.
Like ady added yavin it could be interesting adding sun in several shots that light appears coming from nowhere.
Same goes to PT too removing the sun to match with the retro fact and so on.
@Mr J: I was wondering if you can play with vader movements in ANH.
A few examples are when he interrogates The rebel dude in tantive he turns his head way to fast for ESB vader standards. As well in the next shots that he is yelling he is moving too fast. Considering the fact making him less like a coffee freak and more as a lord we know in ESB many of his moving can be slowed down. No idea if this can work.
-Angel and Blue
Yeah Angel (& Blue), it's as though in ANH Prowse was really trying trying to make his mark, hamming it up, being all dramatic and.......overdooing it.
As everyone knows Lucas isn't great at directing people, so i would say Vader's coolness in ESB came from Prowse's own observations or the change in director....dunno.
I'll give it a go.
J
Thats great :D
Cant wait what you will come with :D
-Berry and Angel
^^ I can't wait to see those tweaked vader videos either. Sounds interesting.
In many ways the Vader of ANH was so different from ESB & ROTJ. In ANH aside from speaking faster and with a higher pitch Vader's costume is also a lot less polished and his cape is worn differently over his upper chest plate...plus you can see his eyes in many shots.
The Vader we see in the next two movies is much more HIGH polished, calm and cool and speaks in a more consistent tone.
I know part of this is the fact that Vader in ANH vs the other 2 movies was almost a different character. In ANH, GL had no clue about the father angle or many other things. Vader was mostly just a strong arm of equal power or maybe even less than Tarkin who was the real bad-ass.
ESB & ROTJ was where Vader truly stepped up and became more of fully realized 3 dimensional character.
^In ESB he is, in ROTJ he almost prefigures the emo butt-monkey we saw in the PT.
In ANH you get the impression that the Empire is this vast Galactic tyrannical state with hundreds of dark oppressors like Vader (who is only particularly special because he uses the Force and helped kill the other Jedi).
The impression most people have of Vader comes uniquely from ESB and nowhere else.
vaderios said:
-Angel and Blue
vaderios said:
-Berry and Angel
*head asplode*
^"In ESB he is, in ROTJ he almost prefigures the emo butt-monkey we saw in the PT."
LoL, true....to me he seems mostly like the Emperor's lackey in ROTJ, up until the end of course. it's like all that fire that was in him from ESB when he was talking about overthrowing Palpatine just went down the drain.
Unfortunately I think that wasn't so much a logical character development as it was born out of ROTJ becoming the final movie and GL needing to quickly tie everything up.
Anyway, the movies hold up for me despite the issues. It just makes them interesting in a weird way. Still, any effort being made to have ANH Vader be much more like his ESB version is appreciated.
vaderios said:
@Mr J: I was wondering if you can play with vader movements in ANH.
A few examples are when he interrogates The rebel dude in tantive he turns his head way to fast for ESB vader standards. As well in the next shots that he is yelling he is moving too fast. Considering the fact making him less like a coffee freak and more as a lord we know in ESB many of his moving can be slowed down. No idea if this can work.
-Angel and Blue
Had a go at it, to make it work it required stretching a particular shot......quite a bit.........Prowse really doesn't stay still long......I was able to frame blend it so it doesn't look too bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbuoswX5fDQ
J
It might help if you pushed Vader's chest controls up against his chest it always looked a bit slack to me which makes him look a bit too casual.
GOOD LORD!!!!!!!!
MR J IS WITH MY TEAM. BACK OFF FUTURE EDITORS!!!!!!!!
Deep respect. i have nothing to say... Everything is possible now!
-Angel,Blue and Berry salutes you
I'm sorry, I must say I could just plainly see that it was a slowed down footage as the movement looked very unnatural. Whenever you've got a movement captured on film, it creates a corresponding motion blur, the faster the movement, the more blur, now, when you slow down a footage of a fast moving object, the motion blur is too much for the slower movement, so even if you use some kind of frame interpolation technology to avoid repeating frames, the movement will always look unnatural. I think the only way to do this convicingly would be to actually shoot someone in a Vader costume...
Damn the party pooper is here :(
Where is hotrod?
We do see the blur as well ;) see it as concept in the works
Dont tempt me to replace ANH vader with ROTS's one ;) thats more like it ;)
The fact that Mr J proved that slowing down vader can work as well is a concept that alters the personality of ANH vader as well. What is left is to redub him.
I have a few ideas cutting down the harsh 70s lines with more calm and less fairytaily :) Now its more ESBing ANH ;)
-Angel
No no, don't get me wrong. It works as a concept, what I'm saying is that it won't ever really work as a final product because there's just no way to slow down a footage of a fast moving object and not have it look unnatural. Believe it or not, I'd love to see an edit of the original STAR WARS with TESB (not ROTS) style Vader but I just don't think this is a way of doing it convincingly.
I see you dont like ROTS vader for some reason.. What a perfect symmetry amd flat lenses...
I really understand and dont get at the same time people that like asymmetry that vader and other troops had in all OT movies.
Vader is a cold machined shadow lord that dont need to look or sound pissed( see ANH mask) but something that kills and hides any kind of expression or emotion.
Never liked the cheap gesture he does like an offended bitch when he is trying to interrogate leia in tantive.
Nor the fact that he leans forward to choke the imperial officer.
Ignore any fact of nostalgia or childhood memories and see how a shot can be more powerful :)
Lines such 'vader's leash' and tarkin commands vader must be cut. Maybe alter them so Tarkin is under vader's leash.
-Angel
"Governor Tarking, I thought I'd find you on Vader's leash..." Awesome :-)
And Vader's only asymmetrical in SW. I don't like the shape of the brim of his helmet in ROTS.
Vader is asymmetrical in every movie apart ROTS. Its common that you cant achieve symmetry with non computer sculpting. thats the beauty and the set back at the same time.
Other plans are removing the useless guards inside the the conference room.
Unless they are floor managers that drag the dead bodies it have no purpose being there.
Further ideas: when Luke han and chewie are on the elevators , in the far shot( the one with the matte) if you think the layout a bit you will notice that the big hole at the right with the half extended bridges makes no sense.
So removing the doors/bridges whatever and adding a ROTJ or TMP reactor like pole in the midde. meaning that we have to expand the shot to the right and pan it back to our heroes. Subtle changes will not affect the lightning settings(maybe a slow flickering just for the sake of it). The station needs more powerful shots and more industrial look.
Working with large scales with small rooms it brakes the illusion of vastness but tho it creates claustrophobic results. Well you have to sacrifice some to gain some others.
-Berry and Blue