Vaderios, your photoshop skills are amazing!
I'd like to see more mock-ups, being a visual person as I am and all.
I really dont think there is any thing any one can do after Adywan completes all of his edits but those are years from being finished though there are a few out there now such as ADM and others.
I think the question "Can anything else be done to ANH" is a puzzling one. I assume most people on this forum aren't old enough to experience STAR WARS for the first time on the big screen during it's initial run or subsequent re-releases through 1982. Let's be honest. With today's computer technology, it's possible to do anything to ANH. It began production in the middle of the 70s, so there are endless adjustments that could be made in order to "freshen" it up, or modernize it, to bring it closer to the prequal production values.
But...why? Hopefully, just for the fun of it.
STAR WARS is what it is. An amazing piece of entertainment. I was 7 years old in 77, so believe me when I say it literally changed my life...not to mention giving me a tremendous childhood. White sabres can be annoying, but there is a also a certain charm that goes along with grainy film and that original LUCASFILM logo.
Don't get me wrong, what Adywan did was...incredible, and he should be applauded for such a time consuming, creative undertaking. If nothing else, it's a bold statement to Lucas to say this is how you fix a lightsabre...it's really not all that hard to tell the difference between blue and green. If Adywan can make a cinema quality special edition, why can't Lucas fix the blatant errors with his own professional release? I'm all for recompositing fx shots to get rid of matte lines as well as other subtle digital fixes where the original just wasn't good enough. However, if I'm being honest that's where I would draw the line at repairs.
Yes it's fun to hear "Vader's March" in ANH, or find out the limits of a new space battle on home video/computer equipment...but some things should remain the same. When Obi-Wan paused to exchange with a telling smile with Vader befor being cut down, it was that musical cue that brings me back to childhood viewings and embodies the original film. Yes, it was interesting to see how the prequal music fit over the beginning of the scene which wasn't scored...but if the original cue now is substituted or sped up to make room for a prequal cue, to me at least, that's just as bad as Greedo shooting first.
Now I'm not discouraging anyone from using ANH as workparts to see what they can come up with. I think it's great. For some of us though, it's still the original versions we're going to throw up on the video projector when time permits. As an adult and parent, you have less and less time to dedicate to watching movies...so it becomes not a time killer, but an event. The nexst time I invite my cousins over to visit that galaxy far, far away, it will still be the original version...or as close as I can get to it...I may pop in EditDroid's mono mix. Thumbs up to Adywan and everybody's creativeness as we keep the original saga alive for yet another generation, but also try to remember, and make time to experience the charm that the original version still carries.
wwdarth said:But...why? Hopefully, just for the fun of it.
STAR WARS is what it is. An amazing piece of entertainment. I was 7 years old in 77, so believe me when I say it literally changed my life...not to mention giving me a tremendous childhood. White sabres can be annoying, but there is a also a certain charm that goes along with grainy film and that original LUCASFILM logo.
Don't get me wrong, what Adywan did was...incredible, and he should be applauded for such a time consuming, creative undertaking. If nothing else, it's a bold statement to Lucas to say this is how you fix a lightsabre...it's really not all that hard to tell the difference between blue and green. If Adywan can make a cinema quality special edition, why can't Lucas fix the blatant errors with his own professional release? I'm all for recompositing fx shots to get rid of matte lines as well as other subtle digital fixes where the original just wasn't good enough. However, if I'm being honest that's where I would draw the line at repairs.
Yes it's fun to hear "Vader's March" in ANH, or find out the limits of a new space battle on home video/computer equipment...but some things should remain the same. When Obi-Wan paused to exchange with a telling smile with Vader befor being cut down, it was that musical cue that brings me back to childhood viewings and embodies the original film. Yes, it was interesting to see how the prequal music fit over the beginning of the scene which wasn't scored...but if the original cue now is substituted or sped up to make room for a prequal cue, to me at least, that's just as bad as Greedo shooting first.
Preach on brother.
Like you, I also totally dig Adywan's work. But what he did, while very cool, didn't perfect the movie. In my mind, 'Star Wars' was perfect to begin with.
I used to have my SE VHS on the shelf next to the REAL versions. Now I happily have Ady's version in the same DVD case as the REAL version (laserdisk rip).
Although I disagree on drawing the line at repairs. That's one of the reasons I like Ady's title "Revisited." It, and all OT fan edits, can only ADD to the experience and the love, they can never replace it. It lets me experience it again, with fresh eyes.
I also like it because I convinced my roommate it was the sequal to Brideshead Revisited.
TheBoost said:wwdarth said:But...why? Hopefully, just for the fun of it.
STAR WARS is what it is. An amazing piece of entertainment. I was 7 years old in 77, so believe me when I say it literally changed my life...not to mention giving me a tremendous childhood. White sabres can be annoying, but there is a also a certain charm that goes along with grainy film and that original LUCASFILM logo.
Don't get me wrong, what Adywan did was...incredible, and he should be applauded for such a time consuming, creative undertaking. If nothing else, it's a bold statement to Lucas to say this is how you fix a lightsabre...it's really not all that hard to tell the difference between blue and green. If Adywan can make a cinema quality special edition, why can't Lucas fix the blatant errors with his own professional release? I'm all for recompositing fx shots to get rid of matte lines as well as other subtle digital fixes where the original just wasn't good enough. However, if I'm being honest that's where I would draw the line at repairs.
Yes it's fun to hear "Vader's March" in ANH, or find out the limits of a new space battle on home video/computer equipment...but some things should remain the same. When Obi-Wan paused to exchange with a telling smile with Vader befor being cut down, it was that musical cue that brings me back to childhood viewings and embodies the original film. Yes, it was interesting to see how the prequal music fit over the beginning of the scene which wasn't scored...but if the original cue now is substituted or sped up to make room for a prequal cue, to me at least, that's just as bad as Greedo shooting first.
Preach on brother.
Like you, I also totally dig Adywan's work. But what he did, while very cool, didn't perfect the movie. In my mind, 'Star Wars' was perfect to begin with.
I used to have my SE VHS on the shelf next to the REAL versions. Now I happily have Ady's version in the same DVD case as the REAL version (laserdisk rip).
Although I disagree on drawing the line at repairs. That's one of the reasons I like Ady's title "Revisited." It, and all OT fan edits, can only ADD to the experience and the love, they can never replace it. It lets me experience it again, with fresh eyes.
I also like it because I convinced my roommate it was the sequal to Brideshead Revisited.
Seeing as Lucas started this the moment he began adjusting his own film back in 1978ish I don't see how making varient versions is any more puzzling now than it was back then.
ANH is ANH because George altered a film called Star Wars.
As for there being a Real version and varient less Real versions of the story, surely that's something more for individual viewers to decide and not for any author or editor to dictate.
Since Conan Doyle first started writing Holmes stories people have been debating who or what is the definative Sherlock Holmes.
Is it Holmes as written about by Doyle in A Study In Scarlet, is it Holmes as drawn by Sidney Paget, is Holmes as played by Rathbone, Cushing or Brett?
It's a debate that will never end.
For some people these edits are just playful fun but to some it's an attempt to find and share an idealised form of a story that is important to them.
I have no problem with anyone who sees any version of these films as their Real Star Wars but none of us should delude ourselves into believing there is one universal definative version.
wmdarth, you sould check out Adywan's Purist ANH, if you haven't already. The fight with Vader and Obi Wan has no prequel added. And the imperial march is not used anywhere in the movie either.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
for me the scene where Red Leader is killed needs to be flipped just after he says the line
"Stay there I just lost my "starboard" engine"
we see Vader's TIE coming in from the left firing Then we see Red leaders Upper Starboard engine get hit just before he screams & becomes pizza on one of the buildings!
flip that scene & darken one of the Starboard engins & I'd be happy
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
Agreed. That's why I answered my own question with "fun". If there is only one word to define the original Star Wars trilogy, it is fun. I am not only happy to see that there are aspring artists out there using Star Wars as their pallate, but am inspired that they're still in love with a 32 year old movie, which is amazing when it's competing with insane technology in today's cinema. A simple argument against the "Well Lucas started this with ANH in '81". True, but it is his movie. That's the devil's advocate argument. In reality I do agree that there is no "definite" version, so I need to ammend my original statement. Let's change that to "don't forget" about the original version. In regards to Lucas, sometimes I feel he didn't actually sit down and watch his movie in the early 90s ...and then again in '04 before he decided on his special edition. He certainly wasn't in on the color timing session! If he does decide to make an archive edition for blueray, I dare him to find anyone better qualified then Adywan to point out the film's technological shortcomings. I am definitely going to check out his PURIST version as I didn't know it existed.
If you haven't heard Adywan, he seems like a real nice dude who may not be aware of his own genius:) In this, he mentions that he's got even BIGGER changes in mind for the prequal trilogy...including Jar Jar changes and a different origin for 3PO.
Now THAT I truly look forward to!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSmjxa-5ujc
If Lucas releases a "Perfect" edition of the Star Wars movies he won't be able to force us all to go buy the latest "Improved" version every 4 years.
I love all the Fan Edits though. Well done to those who have slaved over these.
I'm looking forward to some decent versions of the Prequal Trilogys. The most dissapointing set of films ever made.
Can we restore balance to the force?... YES WE CAN!
Well, idk what can be done to ANH after Adywan, I guess some effects that look a little off, or changing Vader's voice to match Ep 5 & 6 (that always annoyed me) but there are some things I don't nessacarily like, like the planets added to the Death Star reveal (even though i LOVE the new opening) and the new background canyon for the shot of R2 rolling down the valley (just looks too much like Ep.2 and doesn't look real enough to me, i loved the special edition version) but other than that...i relly dont know. Ady did a much better job than Lucas or any of his yesmen could ever do
The only thing I want done to ANH now is a HD version of the original '77 release with the bad effects cleaned up. No CGI models, just fix the color and get rid of the matte lines.
Sluggo said:The only thing I want done to ANH now is a HD version of the original '77 release with the bad effects cleaned up. No CGI models, just fix the color and get rid of the matte lines.
No! Don't fix ANY effects!
Here's the ideal release (for the Blu-Ray):
Disc 1: An HD 1080p version of "Star Wars" EXACTLY as it was in 1977, matte lines and everything included, plus the mono, theatrical stereo, and 70mm six-track sound mixes included, along with the 1985 stereo remix and the 1993 stereo remix. Opening crawl is selectable at the start of the film (1977 or 1981 crawl).
Disc 2: An HD 1080p version of the 1997 SE of "Star Wars," EXACTLY as it was on 1997. Includes the 1997 5.1 surround mix.
Disc 3: An HD 1080p version of the 2004 SE, including the shittily-mixed 2004 5.1 mix. (No seamless branching because of the incredible differences in color between the 1997 SE and 2004 SE, which would be preserved.)
Disc 4: An HD 1080p version of the final George Lucas Ultimate Edition That Fixes Everything But Probably Won't.
Disc 5: All deleted scenes in 1080p (including the original, pre-CG Jabba scene and original Biggs/Luke in the Rebel hangar scene with the reference to Luke's father intact), with other special features.
Similar for ESB/ROTJ (though Disc 1 of ESB will have seamless branching for the 35mm theatrical and 70mm theatrical versions). *That* is my ideal set.
And I'd add the NTSC DVD-9 of Revisited as a Disc 6 myself for good measure.
fixing vader's suit to match episode 5, 6, and 3
if possible in episode 3 make the vader suit less advance
That would probably be incredibly difficult to do in motion, but it is a good idea.
Ehh...can't say the "suit" discrepancy ever really bothered me. Doubtless Vader own several suits, each of which is slightly different from the others so as to be preferable in a givel set of situations.
Every 27th customer will get a ball-peen hammer, free!
ChainsawAsh said:Sluggo said:The only thing I want done to ANH now is a HD version of the original '77 release with the bad effects cleaned up. No CGI models, just fix the color and get rid of the matte lines.
No! Don't fix ANY effects!
Here's the ideal release (for the Blu-Ray):
Disc 1: An HD 1080p version of "Star Wars" EXACTLY as it was in 1977, matte lines and everything included, plus the mono, theatrical stereo, and 70mm six-track sound mixes included, along with the 1985 stereo remix and the 1993 stereo remix. Opening crawl is selectable at the start of the film (1977 or 1981 crawl).
Disc 2: An HD 1080p version of the 1997 SE of "Star Wars," EXACTLY as it was on 1997. Includes the 1997 5.1 surround mix.
Disc 3: An HD 1080p version of the 2004 SE, including the shittily-mixed 2004 5.1 mix. (No seamless branching because of the incredible differences in color between the 1997 SE and 2004 SE, which would be preserved.)
Disc 4: An HD 1080p version of the final George Lucas Ultimate Edition That Fixes Everything But Probably Won't.
Disc 5: All deleted scenes in 1080p (including the original, pre-CG Jabba scene and original Biggs/Luke in the Rebel hangar scene with the reference to Luke's father intact), with other special features.
Similar for ESB/ROTJ (though Disc 1 of ESB will have seamless branching for the 35mm theatrical and 70mm theatrical versions). *That* is my ideal set.
And I'd add the NTSC DVD-9 of Revisited as a Disc 6 myself for good measure.
Well, of course. Since you put it that way, I'd want that. I would even watch some of those discs.
ChainsawAsh said:Sluggo said:The only thing I want done to ANH now is a HD version of the original '77 release with the bad effects cleaned up. No CGI models, just fix the color and get rid of the matte lines.
No! Don't fix ANY effects!
Here's the ideal release (for the Blu-Ray):
Disc 1: An HD 1080p version of "Star Wars" EXACTLY as it was in 1977, matte lines and everything included, plus the mono, theatrical stereo, and 70mm six-track sound mixes included, along with the 1985 stereo remix and the 1993 stereo remix. Opening crawl is selectable at the start of the film (1977 or 1981 crawl).
Disc 2: An HD 1080p version of the 1997 SE of "Star Wars," EXACTLY as it was on 1997. Includes the 1997 5.1 surround mix.
Disc 3: An HD 1080p version of the 2004 SE, including the shittily-mixed 2004 5.1 mix. (No seamless branching because of the incredible differences in color between the 1997 SE and 2004 SE, which would be preserved.)
Disc 4: An HD 1080p version of the final George Lucas Ultimate Edition That Fixes Everything But Probably Won't.
Disc 5: All deleted scenes in 1080p (including the original, pre-CG Jabba scene and original Biggs/Luke in the Rebel hangar scene with the reference to Luke's father intact), with other special features.
Similar for ESB/ROTJ (though Disc 1 of ESB will have seamless branching for the 35mm theatrical and 70mm theatrical versions). *That* is my ideal set.
And I'd add the NTSC DVD-9 of Revisited as a Disc 6 myself for good measure.
why would you want the shitty 2004 releases even included? To use as a lesson in how not to restore and remaster a film?
I say for the ultimate Blue-Ray release:
2 discs per movie, Original uncut with alterenate tracks and that stuff and selection for ANH on the crawl for Ep.4, and the other being the final version with everything fixed, EVERYTHING
and a bonus disc with a documentary or whatever, trailers for all of it and deleted scenes, hi-def deleted scenes, or as good as they can get
Octorox said:ChainsawAsh said:Sluggo said:The only thing I want done to ANH now is a HD version of the original '77 release with the bad effects cleaned up. No CGI models, just fix the color and get rid of the matte lines.
No! Don't fix ANY effects!
Here's the ideal release (for the Blu-Ray):
Disc 1: An HD 1080p version of "Star Wars" EXACTLY as it was in 1977, matte lines and everything included, plus the mono, theatrical stereo, and 70mm six-track sound mixes included, along with the 1985 stereo remix and the 1993 stereo remix. Opening crawl is selectable at the start of the film (1977 or 1981 crawl).
Disc 2: An HD 1080p version of the 1997 SE of "Star Wars," EXACTLY as it was on 1997. Includes the 1997 5.1 surround mix.
Disc 3: An HD 1080p version of the 2004 SE, including the shittily-mixed 2004 5.1 mix. (No seamless branching because of the incredible differences in color between the 1997 SE and 2004 SE, which would be preserved.)
Disc 4: An HD 1080p version of the final George Lucas Ultimate Edition That Fixes Everything But Probably Won't.
Disc 5: All deleted scenes in 1080p (including the original, pre-CG Jabba scene and original Biggs/Luke in the Rebel hangar scene with the reference to Luke's father intact), with other special features.
Similar for ESB/ROTJ (though Disc 1 of ESB will have seamless branching for the 35mm theatrical and 70mm theatrical versions). *That* is my ideal set.
And I'd add the NTSC DVD-9 of Revisited as a Disc 6 myself for good measure.
why would you want the shitty 2004 releases even included? To use as a lesson in how not to restore and remaster a film?
The same reason they included the Director's Cut of "Blade Runner" when the Final Cut was a better, more updated version, or why they included the US theatrical version when the international theatrical (also included) was identical to the US, but uncensored - for the sake of including everything. Why leave anything out? Even if it's bad, it still existed.
Even for the PT Blu-Rays, I'd want seamless branching for TPM for the theatrical and DVD cuts, with the next disc being CG-Yoda cut (or seamless branching again for that); for AOTC, theatrical 35mm/digital cuts (I think the digital version was the one released on DVD), then disc 2 IMAX cut (different aspect ratio from theatrical); and for ROTS, well that doesn't really matter much since the only difference is a wipe vs a hard cut (I'd use the theatrical wipe instead of the DVD hard cut). And, of course, another disc each for GL's Super-Fantastic-Special-Knock-Your-Socks-Off-Edition that most of us will hate and never watch anyway.
ChainsawAsh said:Octorox said:ChainsawAsh said:Sluggo said:The only thing I want done to ANH now is a HD version of the original '77 release with the bad effects cleaned up. No CGI models, just fix the color and get rid of the matte lines.
No! Don't fix ANY effects!
Here's the ideal release (for the Blu-Ray):
Disc 1: An HD 1080p version of "Star Wars" EXACTLY as it was in 1977, matte lines and everything included, plus the mono, theatrical stereo, and 70mm six-track sound mixes included, along with the 1985 stereo remix and the 1993 stereo remix. Opening crawl is selectable at the start of the film (1977 or 1981 crawl).
Disc 2: An HD 1080p version of the 1997 SE of "Star Wars," EXACTLY as it was on 1997. Includes the 1997 5.1 surround mix.
Disc 3: An HD 1080p version of the 2004 SE, including the shittily-mixed 2004 5.1 mix. (No seamless branching because of the incredible differences in color between the 1997 SE and 2004 SE, which would be preserved.)
Disc 4: An HD 1080p version of the final George Lucas Ultimate Edition That Fixes Everything But Probably Won't.
Disc 5: All deleted scenes in 1080p (including the original, pre-CG Jabba scene and original Biggs/Luke in the Rebel hangar scene with the reference to Luke's father intact), with other special features.
Similar for ESB/ROTJ (though Disc 1 of ESB will have seamless branching for the 35mm theatrical and 70mm theatrical versions). *That* is my ideal set.
And I'd add the NTSC DVD-9 of Revisited as a Disc 6 myself for good measure.
why would you want the shitty 2004 releases even included? To use as a lesson in how not to restore and remaster a film?
The same reason they included the Director's Cut of "Blade Runner" when the Final Cut was a better, more updated version, or why they included the US theatrical version when the international theatrical (also included) was identical to the US, but uncensored - for the sake of including everything. Why leave anything out? Even if it's bad, it still existed.
Even for the PT Blu-Rays, I'd want seamless branching for TPM for the theatrical and DVD cuts, with the next disc being CG-Yoda cut (or seamless branching again for that); for AOTC, theatrical 35mm/digital cuts (I think the digital version was the one released on DVD), then disc 2 IMAX cut (different aspect ratio from theatrical); and for ROTS, well that doesn't really matter much since the only difference is a wipe vs a hard cut (I'd use the theatrical wipe instead of the DVD hard cut). And, of course, another disc each for GL's Super-Fantastic-Special-Knock-Your-Socks-Off-Edition that most of us will hate and never watch anyway.
Yeah, I guess so. I hope that if Lucas does release an ultimate edition he builds off of a new, clean transfer of the original elements rather than adding to the crappy 90's cg of the special editions What I thought might be a cool feature of the blu-rays, especially for the prequels, is the ability to see the cg in varied levels of completeness. It would be awesome if, at any time you could see no cg, wireframe only, untextured, and complete views. It would certainly make it easier for editors trying to isolate elements or adding their own backgrounds. I think the Hellboy II Blu-Ray already has this sort of a feature.
Octorox said: It would certainly make it easier for editors trying to isolate elements or adding their own backgrounds. I think the Hellboy II Blu-Ray already has this sort of a feature.
Really? that sounds very interesting.Is that for sure?
-Angel
vaderios said:Octorox said: It would certainly make it easier for editors trying to isolate elements or adding their own backgrounds. I think the Hellboy II Blu-Ray already has this sort of a feature.Really? that sounds very interesting.Is that for sure?
-Angel
I have the disc, I saw something along those lines. I never checked it out though. I'll do that right now, it's probably not that in depth/only works on select scenes, but I'll check.
Yeah awesome thanks.
post and some snapshots of what changes can be done.
-Angel
vaderios said:Yeah awesome thanks.
post and some snapshots of what changes can be done.
-Angel
Okay, I checked it out. It only works in a few key effect sequences (about 3 scenes, although Hellboy II is not a particularly CG-laden movie anyway) You can view the scene with no effects (raw capture straight out of the camera), two intermediate stages with untextured models and the final comp in the movie. You can see all three unfinished views in PiP. It seems like you should be able to view it any way fullscreen too through multiple angles (there is a menu to switch angles and my player says that there are 4 angles during these scenes) but for some reason that's not working on my player. I may post screenies later.
Those angles are probably the images with and without the PIP in the corner, so I would assume that you wouldn't be able to view them full-screen.