The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome). — Page 24

A bit like Mace's "My Lord" in ROTS (one of the few Mace lines I like a lot).

I did not read all the posts, but I just saw today (maybe I'm a little late!) that Tarkin looks like he's still speaking after his "Now name the system!" line to Leia.

In the shot of Leia's face, I think we still see Tarking continuing to speak (without voice).

INVAR said:

Well, I just discovered the Adywan edit and I must say that it is near-perfect!

The ONLY thing that would have put his edit over the top for me, would have been if during Vader's first entrance - that for sake of continuity - Adywan had added the music cue from Empire when Vader enters the Bespin torture chamber to view Han's torture.

 

I temped the track to ANH and it works and fits perfectly - even to the point that the French Horns in the cue that follows Vader and his TKs past camera frame almost sound like Williams scored that scene this way.

 Actually I think it would be really cool if one could record a new cue from a horn player that's very soft, dark and toned to fit the mood of the scene, so we get the dramatic entrance theme, trailed by the soft and subtle "first" statement of the imperial theme which then fades into the ambient hum.

Speaking of music, I always thought "Burning Homestead" had to end in this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJob_-m-gDE&#t=1m30s , rather than the ANH "dramatic cue". It just fits too perfectly. It's the most obvious cue in the whole film for adding the imperial march.

And for that matter adding the "hyperspace theme", which is basically that long sustained note we hear in ESB and ROTJ when the big hyperspace events occur. The visual, sound effect and music almost go hand in hand. One feels empty without the others. The structure of the falcon escape theme even supports this, you'd just have to extend the sequence enough that the "dramatic theme" occurs at the jump, and then superimpose the hyperspace note on the final note. The musical void could then be filled with another statement of the imperial march to further increase consistency. But... hmm. That would require a significant amount of effort to retime the score. :/ hopefully the surround mix has the dialouge seperately from the music.

I also always found it weird that Tarkin was informed that the falcon had markings that "match those of a ship that blasted it's way out of mos eisley" I mean, sure vader must know what mos eisley is having conducted the search for the droids, also accounting the whole having grown up there of the prequels. But being such a "remote" planet you'd think no one else owuld give two shits. Tarkin probably has no idea what it is and only heard of it through vader reporting on his findings and the guy reporting it probably just heard about the place 5 minutes ago when they matched up the markings. So adding the words "on tatooine" to the end of that report would help that a lot. Now, even though they have no clue wtf mos eisley is maybe they heard of tatooine at least in passing. And at the very least they know what planet to look up if they want to know more.

In short; space is big, tatooine is remote. And nobody would care about mos eisley enough that you need no planet associated with it.

So adding the words "on tatooine" to the end of that report would help that a lot. Now, even though they have no clue wtf mos eisley is maybe they heard of tatooine at least in passing.

As posted earlier if Darth isn't a name but an assumed title Obi-Wan using it becomes a dig.

Like Han's "Buddy" and Mace's "My Lord".

Even as an assumed name it's still a dig.

He isn't "Anakin" and he isn't "Lord Vader", he is "Darth".

As friend or worthy foe he would command respect but as the turncoat traitor Kenobi sees him as not deserving recognition of rank (even an enemy rank).

Well that's the way I've read it since 1980ish.

Really? I never noticed it wasn't named. Odd. But honestly that's a little conservatist considering this is a fan-editing thread not a OUT preservation thread. It always sat wrong with me and I think it decreases the enjoyability of the film, even for, or even particularly for casual viewers.

Dialouge that isn't for the benefit of the characters is meaningless exposition, which always draws attention to itself. I've always counted ANH as a wondrous film in the sense that it treats neither it's viewers nor it's characters like idiots. But this one line is... well out of line.

BmB said:

Really? I never noticed it wasn't named. Odd. But honestly that's a little conservatist considering this is a fan-editing thread not a OUT preservation thread. It always sat wrong with me and I think it decreases the enjoyability of the film, even for, or even particularly for casual viewers.

Dialouge that isn't for the benefit of the characters is meaningless exposition, which always draws attention to itself. I've always counted ANH as a wondrous film in the sense that it treats neither it's viewers nor it's characters like idiots. But this one line is... well out of line.

It's a difficult balance to tread.

Tarkin knows full well where Leia's ship was intercepted so mentioning the planet by name may sound like some idiotic newscaster describing a city as "Paris France" when there is a picture of the Eiffel Tower on the screen.

If Tatooine is as out of the way as Luke complains it is Tarkin may actually be more familiar with the space port name than the planet name.

Before the first Gulf War Baghdad (through it's associations with Scherazade) was culturally more recognisable than Iraq to the clueless masses.

Or we could go with "Ani", "chosen one" (sarcastically) , or even "Pathetic lifeform" (Just kidding of course) :P

Bingowings said:

If Tatooine is as out of the way as Luke complains it is Tarkin may actually be more familiar with the space port name than the planet name.

Before the first Gulf War Baghdad (through it's associations with Scherazade) was culturally more recognisable than Iraq to the clueless masses.

 

 That's a whole new piece of story you'd have to tell onscreen before that explanation makes any sense.

BmB said:

Bingowings said:

If Tatooine is as out of the way as Luke complains it is Tarkin may actually be more familiar with the space port name than the planet name.

Before the first Gulf War Baghdad (through it's associations with Scherazade) was culturally more recognisable than Iraq to the clueless masses.

 

 That's a whole new piece of story you'd have to tell onscreen before that explanation makes any sense.

A wretched hive of scum and villainy may be more infamous than the actual  location of the place.

The film makers who gave us Robin Hood Prince Of Thieves thought Sherwood Forest was right next to the coast of England.

I can't see how an new piece of story is needed to get your head around that?

Tatooine is the middle of nowhere but it has this infamous port which is generally better known it fits the story as it currently stands.

You can argue for it all you want here, that doesn't change the fact it's not in the movie. All we know about Tatooine is that it's remote. In fact, the fact that Ben has to tell luke that he won't find a more wretched hive of scum and villiany suggests the place isn't even infamous enough for a resident of Tatooine to have heard about it's reputation.

"I only wish Darth Venal was not banned. I could really use his help right now."

You do have a point but Luke is arguably such a hick at that point that he is isn't a good measuring stick for political geography in the Star Wars universe.

He hasn't even heard of the Force.

That's like some American farmboy not even knowing the word Buddha.

Tarkin is a Galactic governor and savvy enough to know the port's name without having to have someone tell him which planet it's on.

Because the empire is really big and they're not all telepathically connected so everyone in the empire knows everything that's going on in the empire?

As an example, say you're the president of the United States. Your vice president is looking for two droids, and the secret service tugs some car into the driveway of the white house and they inform you the license plate match that of a car that shot it's way out of "Elm Street".

As an example, say you're the president of the United States. Your vice president is looking for two droids, and the secret service tugs some car into the driveway of the white house and they inform you the license plate match that of a car that shot it's way out of "Elm Street".

Or, your VP looks for the droids, doesn't find them, comes back, quite probably (albeit offscreen) fills you and your senior staff (of whom the guy on the speaker is quite possibly a member) in on the details, including the fact that he sent a detachment of troops into said Elm Street to look for the droids.

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Davnes007 said:

The Empire was at Tatooine when the MF took off from Mos Eisley, which they also chased for a while...so why is it hard for the Empire to know what/where Mos Eisley is?

And don't forget:

VOICE: (over intercom) We've captured a freighter entering the remains
of the Alderaan system. It's markings match those of a ship that
blasted its way out of Mos Eisley.

This has probably already been shared in here, but this is a pretty interesting proof of concept for an alternate take on the destruction of Alderaan. Minus the shot of Yoda I think it does manage to hit a much more emotional chord than the original did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R1hgShD1IY&feature=related

If there was a way to actually make this work without having to recycle footage from another SW movie, it might be an interesting idea to play around with for a re-revisited cut of Episode IV. I definitely got the chills seeing people running and hearing their screams as their planet starts breaking apart. Maybe a new effects shot for the planet's explosion would make it more dramatic too, like if we can see the crust cracking from space, have a cut to Leia like in the video above, and then see it all blow apart? The actual destruction footage would be a bit trickier to get ahold of, but it's possible that some cleverly disguised footage from other movies as well as some second unit / new CG / matte shots could do the trick.

Adywan's second unit is not your personal army?

Sorry. :P