Bingowings said:
You might as well be talking about the sex lives of celebrities or sport or the weather you'd have just as much impact.
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Political punditry amateur or professional is just monkey noise, sometimes funny to listen to and even to imitate but you really shouldn't take it too seriously.
Hmm, I must respectfully disagree with both of these things. Sure it is easy to get into petty arguments and feel the need to convince others of your views, which is pretty fruitless. But I think discussions of political and social views can be immensely beneficial. To write it off as "monkey noise" or equate it to celebrity sex lives seems a little close minded and absurd. It isn't about making an impact on anyone or anything but yourself.
Life's kind of a funny thing. It is as if we are a bunch of squirrels with our eyes on one single acorn up in a tree. Some of the squirrels are in the branches above it, and some are on the ground below it, some are really close to it, and some quite far away. While one far away squirrel may say, "That acorn is huge!" a squirrel right up next to it may think, "That acorn is rather tiny." A squirrel on the ground might think, "That thing sure is high up in that tree" a squirrel on the branches above it may be thinking, "I wonder if it is really worth going all the way down there for?"
We are all looking at the same things, but from difference perspectives. If we close our eyes and choose not to listen to the "monkey noise" of others, then our own perspective is all we can ever see, and by their very nature, our own perspectives are doomed to remains incredibly tiny.
The reason why I enjoy political discussion is because I am obsessed with trying to see things through the eyes of as many people as possible, to see the world from as many angles as possible. During my discussions with Warb, I have to say I have learned a lot. Nothing extremely life changing, but I have been given the opportunity to, in some very small way, see the way things look from the angle he is standing at, which is very different from my own. With every view point of Warb's I hear and am able to understand, my perspective grows slightly larger. I have been given that same opportunity through ADM and many of the others who had at one point frequented this thread, and for that, I am extremely grateful to them. I can honestly say that many of them have gotten me to think outside of my own limited bubble of perspective that I live in, and in multiple cases, after considering their views and takes on things, I have actually come to alter mine. Through these kinds of discussions on this forum, as well as with people in person, I feel my own person perspective grows much larger than it otherwise could be. I have never been interested in sports or some celebrity's lousy sex life, but I could hardly imagine a scenario where jabbering on about that kind of BS could be in the least half as beneficial as discussions about things that actually matter in this world.
Monkey noise indeed.
Sorry, but I cannot give a yay or nay answer either. It is all about what you can personally handle, Warb. If hearing other people's perspectives gets your guts twisted in knots, if you grow uncomfortable with having your own perspectives challenged, then I would have to strongly recommend you stay away from political discussion (if this, then "nay"). However, if like me you get a little thrill from having you understanding of things shaken and picked apart, and enjoy taking the time to carefully mull over the pieces and try to put them back together again, even if that means in a significantly different shape, then do not even consider giving it up! (if this, then "yay")