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***The ADigitalMan non-Star Wars DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** — Page 19
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Does anyone have a copy they could PIF?
Many thanks,
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Superman II: The Hybrid Cut
Yep, like half the planet, I've done my own re-edit of Superman II using the parts I like best.
After years of petitioning, begging and pleading, fans of Superman got what they asked for. In November of 2006, the Richard Donner Cut of Superman II finally became a reality. But it turned out the Holy Grail really was just a plain ol' cup. Sadly, Donner's Cut was so focused on removing the elements of Lester's film that they failed to acknowledge the genuine contributions Lester did make to the Superman II. Most notably, a coherent ending, not recycled from what ultimately climaxed the first film, original intent or not. Imperfect though it was, the Donner Cut did give fans what they wanted most: The long lost footage of Brando, and all the original scenes with the cast we grew to know and love, in context for the most part. In some ways, it is superior, and in others, it is inferior to the Lester Cut. The ideal cut lies somewhere in between. Thus, this fan edit merely tries to make the best story out of all the elements. Specifically to my edit:
1) Alternate version of "Planet Krypton" cue by John Williams opens the film.
2) Non kills the guard, Zod Breaks the crystal and the rings come down. Cut to:
3) Brando asking the council to pronounce judgment.
4) As Phantom Zone speeds away, Krypton Explodes and Alexander Salkind credit speeds out of this. Credits are from Donner Cut.
5) Zoom into earth cuts to the tail-fire of the XK-101 Rocket with Supes chasing it.
6) Lots of bad CGI removed. Rocket Explodes, shattering Phantom Zone from Lester Cut but with "FREE!" mixed in. Fade out as Villains fly to the moon.
7) Fade in on Metropolis Street vendor, then cut to Perry reading the paper.
8) Lois Jumps. Bad eye-beam shots removed. Awning was always open.
9) Extended Prison sequence
10) Moon, with "curl" discussion back at Mission Control. Hairdryer line cut.
11) Donner's getaway.
12) Tour of the honeymoon suite.
13) Heading North
14) Falls rescue is a hybrid of the two cuts, with Lois noticing Clark's absence reinstated.
15) Donner's version of Lex in the fortress
16) Pink Bear scene, trimmed down.
17) Heading South
18) Non picks up the snake, but only ponders it.
19) Superman takes Lois to the fortress, picks up flowers and dinner.
20) Ursa arm wrestles.
21) Dinner. No sex with Lois while super-powered. No Kryptonite condoms in this story.
22) Brando depowers Superman. Nookie afterward.
23) Donner cut for a long long time, until ...
24) "Care to step outside?"
25) Donner cut Metropolis battle and Fortress
26) Arctic Police, Smallville line removed (with a fantastic musical edit behind this whole scene)
27) Fortress NOT destroyed. Cut straight to the kiss.
28) Tearful farewell on terrace
29) Memory Kiss
30) Elevator Bully
31) Diner Bully
32) Flag Flying High, end credits.
*) Plus, I've included a bonus slideshow of "Mr. Thau, Please Create In CGI Villains Rule The World Scene?" images by yours truly.
Superman Redeemed
This project of pure insanity presents a hybrid cut of Superman III and IV, with elements of all four films worked in. I had the crazy concept for this film after watching them for the first time since I was a kid. Though they're both miserably wretched to watch, they do have some fantastic elements in them. III had the great stuff with Lana in Smallville, plus the classic good vs. evil Superman battle. IV had a great concept with Superman trying to disarm the world and Lex trying to capitalize on it, but the FX were miserable, the action sequences were misguided, Lenny was annoying, and the whole Lacy plot was nothing but superfluous padding. It would have been a great movie of the week in the early 80s at best.
Was there enough salvagable material in these two, and could it be constructed into a working plot? I wasn't even sure going into it, but I thought so. When I realized that the Paris sequence from Lester's SII could be the lynchpin of the story, it all fell into place. The end result is surprisingly coherent and entertaining. Some bad FX still remain, and a couple of disjointed cuts were inescapable, but it's better than sitting through those two films in their entirety ever again. Just as the character of Superman is redeemed in the junkyard, so do these two junky films get redeemed, leaving a more fitting legacy for Christopher Reeve. Hence the name: Superman Redeemed.
I could detail the edit, but I think I'll let it speak for itself. A few notes though:
1) A healthy dose of the STM Original Soundtrack helps to patch scenes together and punch others up.
2) Lenny doesn't bust out Lex, Miss Tessmacher does while Otis looks on, dumbfounded. It was great to put these characters into this film. Thank you Donner Cut Deleted Scenes!
3) Brando is heard.
4) Darth Editous is the coolest guy on this board. One key shot still had Richard Pryor in it, which I was prepared to accept after my slipshod attempts at digital character removal. Then DE offered to fix this and presented the result in less than a day. As Clark would best say it: "Golly, what a swell guy!" Check out this page to see what awesomeness he produced.
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It's funny, growing up, I always liked the first Superman movie, but not as much as the second (because of Zod and the gang). That stupid expanding plastic logo...dealy (what should I call it?) was even cool. But now, I prefer the first overall. A hybrid version of II sounds right up my alley! As for the III and IV, I always felt IV was pretty meh, but I loved the robot stuff in III when I was younger. Now it just looks goofy. I still like the concept, though.
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Hi everybody. You’re all awesome. Keep up the good work.
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I just watched Superman Redeemed straight through on my TV for the first time tonight and I'm VERY pleased with the end result. It really does work -- the wheat separated from the chaff, so to speak. I'm loving Hackman's performance more than ever because it isn't so bogged down in the morass that surrounded it. Anybody notice how much Lenny was like Jar Jar? I've given him the same treatment too.
Some info: This is only Single Layer, and it didn't even fill up one of those. It's 1 hour 32 minutes with credits, and doesn't need to be a minute longer. Here's the "About" menu from the Redeemed disc:
2006 was billed by Warner Bros. as "The Year of Superman." We were given a new film that was respectful to Richard Donner and Christopher Reeve. We got the Donner Cut of Superman II. And we got one of the coolest DVD boxed sets to date. Unfortunately, Superman III and IV still suck. While they do have their good moments, they are mostly painful to watch. Superman III has been described as a bad concept produced well, and Superman IV has been described as a good concept produced horribly.
I watched them this year for the first time since I was a kid and came up with a crazy concept: Could these two be edited into one film with most of the lousy parts removed? That became my challenge. After completing the Hybrid Cut of Superman II, I vowed to do this next.
Using elements from all four movies (including some esoteric deleted stuff), I was able to cobble together a new narrative around Clark's return to Smallville, and Superman's Quest For Peace. While it's still not perfect, it's certainly enjoyable (at least to me) and the cringeworthy elements have been minimalized. I hope you enjoy this crazy little project, and hope it redeems the legacy of Christopher Reeve for you, as it has for me.
I watched them this year for the first time since I was a kid and came up with a crazy concept: Could these two be edited into one film with most of the lousy parts removed? That became my challenge. After completing the Hybrid Cut of Superman II, I vowed to do this next.
Using elements from all four movies (including some esoteric deleted stuff), I was able to cobble together a new narrative around Clark's return to Smallville, and Superman's Quest For Peace. While it's still not perfect, it's certainly enjoyable (at least to me) and the cringeworthy elements have been minimalized. I hope you enjoy this crazy little project, and hope it redeems the legacy of Christopher Reeve for you, as it has for me.
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Very fitting...and funny. You did a nice write-up overall. Makes me want to see it even more!
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Same Make. Same Model. New Mission.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Not per se, but these things always have a way of escaping. As always, please have the originals and don't pay/charge for the re-edit.
I just watched Superman Redeemed straight through on my TV for the first time tonight and I'm VERY pleased with the end result. It really does work -- the wheat separated from the chaff, so to speak. I'm loving Hackman's performance more than ever because it isn't so bogged down in the morass that surrounded it. Anybody notice how much Lenny was like Jar Jar? I've given him the same treatment too.
Some info: This is only Single Layer, and it didn't even fill up one of those. It's 1 hour 32 minutes with credits, and doesn't need to be a minute longer. Here's the "About" menu from the Redeemed disc:
Not per se, but these things always have a way of escaping. As always, please have the originals and don't pay/charge for the re-edit.
I just watched Superman Redeemed straight through on my TV for the first time tonight and I'm VERY pleased with the end result. It really does work -- the wheat separated from the chaff, so to speak. I'm loving Hackman's performance more than ever because it isn't so bogged down in the morass that surrounded it. Anybody notice how much Lenny was like Jar Jar? I've given him the same treatment too.
Some info: This is only Single Layer, and it didn't even fill up one of those. It's 1 hour 32 minutes with credits, and doesn't need to be a minute longer. Here's the "About" menu from the Redeemed disc:
2006 was billed by Warner Bros. as "The Year of Superman." We were given a new film that was respectful to Richard Donner and Christopher Reeve. We got the Donner Cut of Superman II. And we got one of the coolest DVD boxed sets to date. Unfortunately, Superman III and IV still suck. While they do have their good moments, they are mostly painful to watch. Superman III has been described as a bad concept produced well, and Superman IV has been described as a good concept produced horribly.
I watched them this year for the first time since I was a kid and came up with a crazy concept: Could these two be edited into one film with most of the lousy parts removed? That became my challenge. After completing the Hybrid Cut of Superman II, I vowed to do this next.
Using elements from all four movies (including some esoteric deleted stuff), I was able to cobble together a new narrative around Clark's return to Smallville, and Superman's Quest For Peace. While it's still not perfect, it's certainly enjoyable (at least to me) and the cringeworthy elements have been minimalized. I hope you enjoy this crazy little project, and hope it redeems the legacy of Christopher Reeve for you, as it has for me.
I watched them this year for the first time since I was a kid and came up with a crazy concept: Could these two be edited into one film with most of the lousy parts removed? That became my challenge. After completing the Hybrid Cut of Superman II, I vowed to do this next.
Using elements from all four movies (including some esoteric deleted stuff), I was able to cobble together a new narrative around Clark's return to Smallville, and Superman's Quest For Peace. While it's still not perfect, it's certainly enjoyable (at least to me) and the cringeworthy elements have been minimalized. I hope you enjoy this crazy little project, and hope it redeems the legacy of Christopher Reeve for you, as it has for me.
I LOVE YOU!
Say, ADM, have you re-edited the film so that it could seem as its following Superman II (hybrid, Donner, or other fan-edit out there) in any sense?
Here's how I imagined the concept: As Superman II was to be a continuation to I, with a recap to I, the Ultimate Superman III would be a continuation to II, with recap to I and II, and the film itself wouldn't contradict SR. So in essence, I really did want III to feel like a continuation to I and II, as Donner's Cut feels like (even if unfinished, it does have that continuance feeling from I). So that, one day, one could edit all three and make a giant story called SUPERMAN, THE MAN OF STEEL.
See what I mean? That way, after this trilogy of films, SR would follow, without contradicting it, but rather, following it, nicely, too.
I suppose you didn't do that, did you?
PLEASE tell us how you handled it. At least at the beggining.
And also.... Is it up for download? Have you torrented it?
Well?
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Lois takes a much-deserved vacation because she's clearly been through an ordeal with Zod and is suffering some memory loss. Perry gives her three much-deserved weeks off, and with that thong bikini, she's clearly planning on getting some action in Bermuda fo' sho'. She probably bangs some pool-boy, which might be where she thinks the kid comes from. Unfortunately, her vacation is interrupted by Perry when there is a crisis in Paris. Like any correspondent, she files the Paris story from the road, then finishes her time off.
Some dialog trims I did actually accomplish this service to the plot.
An interesting tidbit about the official timeline:
Clark notes it's his 15-year reunion and his poster says class of '65. That makes it take place in 1980, not 1983. Lester's SII takes place in the same year, so it does immediately follow. However, Donner's SII takes place in 1978, immediately following STM. Clark left Smallville in '65 around harvest time, probably spent a few months slowly trekking north (not running at super-speed) and then spent 12 years or so training in the Fortress.
I prefer to ignore the year, and wish all references to specific times weren't in Superman movies. Superman is timeless, and anything that dates the story opens up a can of anachronisms. But I didnt' bother to edit them out.
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THANK YOU, ADM !!!
BTW, ADM'S RUSH SET IS READY TO GO.
"I'VE GROWN TIRED OF ASKING, SO THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME..."
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Also, you didn't use a recap to the previous events, have you? I mean, the intent of a Superman III for me was to follow the story of Superman following the three villains and all, ending with a personal battle within him. So a recap like Donner's II would've been appropriate to establish the mood. I see you didn't that. Thats sad.
BUT, despite that, I am REALLLY LOOKING FORWARD to this. I can't WAIT to see this?
When will it become available?
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"I'VE GROWN TIRED OF ASKING, SO THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME..."
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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
BEFORE YOU TEAR APART ADM'S EDIT YOU SHOULD WATCH IT FIRST.
BEFORE YOU TEAR APART ADM'S EDIT YOU SHOULD WATCH IT FIRST.
Hye, I did NOT bash the guy. I was just sorry that an idea wasn't persued - thats all. I am REALLY looking FORWARD.
So forward that, in fact, wonder WHEN will be become available...
Well, any news about it?
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CHECK MY PROFILE FOR MY EMAIL ADDRESS WITH YOUR REQUEST FOR ADM'S SUPERMAN EDIT IN THE SUBJECT LINE. "I'VE GROWN TIRED OF ASKING, SO THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME..."
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