The 2008 'The Clone Wars' animated theatrical movie - a general discussion thread — Page 2

Janskeet said:

Has Lucas gone completely crazy??!!! You just don't get it George, nobody wants to see your wet dreams. After 3 strikes of the PT and then Indy 4, nobody is going to be fooled this time. Face it, it's over. The only way anyone will pay attention to this is if Jar Jar Binks dies a violent death! George, why don't you use all those computers for something useful for a change, have that thing killed a gruesome death so the world can gasp a sigh of relief. Of course, that will contradict your super-duper special edition since you arguably put him in ROTJ, but who cares!!!

Umm just to clarify things George Lucas doesn't post on these boards nor does he read them ...(I think)

I suggest if you want to have correspondance with him you should write to him at Marin County.

Besides there's already a topic on the Clone Wars movie http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/New-Clone-Wars-movie-trailer/topic/9299/

Janskeet knows this, he was using a literary device to get his point across.

And at the same time clogging up the boards with pointless rants.

LOL, OT.com is a lot of things, but "clogged" is not one of them. But yeah, I see what you mean.

This movie sucks!

Even the music is awful.

Will be the first soundtrack of star wars i never will buy.

Falsely advertised on sony classical as Being by John Williams.

I saw a ad on tv with a spitting up baby hutt and the girl says  "I did not train for this"  LOL.

The jokes are a bad as jar jar stepping in shit in the phantom menace.

Heh. My wife and I saw a spot for it on TV a couple days ago, and she did a double take at the "In theatres August 15" bit. "I thought it was a video game!" she said.

skyjedi2005 said:

This movie sucks!

Even the music is awful.

Will be the first soundtrack of star wars i never will buy.

 

Falsely advertised on sony classical as Being by John Williams.

 

Do you own the prequel soundtracks, Sky? I didn't even buy those, except for the ROTS one, which I only bought because of the music video DVD that came with it.

yes i bought the prequel scores.

For 2 Reasons

I love the lso

I love the work of John Williams.

More than that admittedly not as epic and spectacular as the original trilogy scores there were some good pieces of music here and there.

I liked duel of the fates, across the stars, and battle of the heroes.

That he was able to create such music with what little he was given has always been amazing to me.

To give three pretty much Souless cgi popcorn flicks any emotion at all deserves kudos.

Even though severally flawed the prequels did have some good moments.

Just that the magic was not there that was in the originals.

Fans would not be so split on whether to love them or hate them if George would only give respect to the original films and older fans.

I was exstatic early on when it was announced Indy IV would be shot old school on location and used the same glass matte paintings and models of the originals as well as a score by the lso.

We all know what we got. A phoned in score, no LSO. NO sale! i refused to buy the cd.

But really the material he did for the harry potter films was so much better than the later star wars stuff even though the potter stuff sounded too much like hook.

So now he is listed as doing superman the man of steel aka superman VI, the next 2 potter films supposedly and Jurassic Park IV as well as Lincoln and that spielberg movie about the vietnam draft dodgers.

That is a lot of stuff considering he stopped scoring films in 2005 and retired. Came out of so called retirement in 2008 to do a score that was light and full of reused material and full of fluff Indiana Jones IV.

I wish Mr Williams well, it will be a sad day indeed when he passes on and joins his friend Jerry Goldsmith.

If only the prequel story was as well done as that of shatterpoint, the two darth bane novels or Knights of the Old Republic.

I would have given clone wars a chance if Lucas kept out of writing the stories as he originally had planned.

The writer Haden Blackman who formerly wrote for dark horse is a hell of a writer, story plotter.

His republic comics were better than George's movies and more adult in content.

Similar to how much better genddy's clone wars was.

Lucas has zero excuse whatsoever for bad plotting and poor writing some of the best sci fi and fantasy writers and artists have at one time or another been Lucasfilm employees.

Matthew Stover could have written one hell of a prequel trilogy.

Even the less than perfect Troy Denning could have done better.

I don't hate everything about the clone wars movie or tv series. I actually Like the Character of Ahsoka, star wars does need its strong female characters. She obviously brings out another side of Anakin we never see in the films 1-3 his role as a master and the one being the adult.

They get to explore Count Dooku's character more.

We also get to see dooku's apprentice Asajj Ventress.

The voice acting will most likely be top notch, we will see some awesome Jedi acrobatics and lightsaber duels and clone troopers battling seperatists.

Supposedly Padme is not a useless character we get to see her in action not just barefoot and pregnant dieing then of a broken heart.

Though she does get captured and plays the damsel in distress like leia in star wars 77.

I hate that it breaks with continuity Ahsoka was not in Revenge of the Sith and Anakin Never attained the rank of master.
Otherwise she would have been killed with the younglings by anakin or been his secret sith apprentice in force unleashed and neither are the case.

Jabba's son thing is also epic fail as far as i'm concerned a baby hutt kidnapped whatever.

They go to see Jabba on Tatooine it would have been interesting to see Nal Hutta and not ruin the jabbas palace reveal in rotj.

I find it laughable how much of the oot now will have to be retconned to not only fit the prequels but also clone wars and force unleashed. They are g canon since lucas worked on them.

But time to time he chooses what to keep canon and remove the holiday special and the ewok movies were once g canon and now are not.

Other good things about it they are using ralph mcquarries design sketches for Jabbas palace, and other things. One of the few usefull articles i ever found on tfn which i usually ovoid like the black plague.

*nods* I bought the prequel soundtracks as well, though I thoroughly dislike the movies themselves. In my opinion, the music is the only element of the PT which is up to par with (and sometimes even eclipses) that of the OT. And like Sky said, that's especially to Williams' credit when you consider what lousy material he had to work with this time around.

I'm still trying to get the soundtrack preview page to load properly. Thus far, no luck. If it's any good I might consider buying the soundtrack, though I won't buy the "movie" until purgatory freezes over. Just because it's not by John Williams doesn't necessarily mean the soundtrack will suck. I really enjoy the Shadows of the Empire soundtrack, and that's not by Williams either.

Of course, seeing as how the preview page is still being beligerent and thus I haven't had a chance to hear any of it yet, I can't say for certain one way or another.

EDIT: Ok, finally got the preview to work. Personally, I kinda like it. It doesn't really feel like a Star Wars soundtrack, but then again it's not for a real Star Wars movie anyway. My prediction: the soundtrack will turn out to be pretty good though the movie itself will blow chunks royally. (Wow, just like the PT!)

The score is not that awful is just is not opulent and does not scream "Epic" like John Williams themes do.

I sounds a lot like a cartoon tv score might sound.

Being from warners does not help though you don't have that awsome prelude of the fox fanfare to the main theme. Also the quoting of the main them is a bit off and not at correct pitch and speed.

The only star wars score besides Shadows to not use the LSO, epic fail and lame.

Agreed i also enjoy Joel Mcneely's shadows score, though the parts i liked quoted williams themes from both star wars and Indiana Jones so not really liking his work.

I enjoyed the scores to Knights of The old republic until i got sick of hearing them.

the audio samples can also be found on amazon.com

I would not be surprised that there is a tie in videogame in the works since the movie looks like the videogame cutscenes from lucasarts,would fit right in.

I don't like the 3-D cgi style but i also did not like the style Genddy used.

That being said there is room for improvement visually and in terms of story when the show hits tv screens.

Not everything marketed to kids and young people need be crap.

It is for kids only after all shit Lucas used as excuse on prequels will not fly here.

skyjedi2005 said:

 

I love the lso

I love the work of John Williams.

 

More than that admittedly not as epic and spectacular as the original trilogy scores there were some good pieces of music here and there.

I liked duel of the fates, across the stars, and battle of the heroes.

 

I also love JW and the LSO. I agree that there were some good bits of music in the prequels- I liked Anakin's theme, and Duel Of The Fates is OK. There just weren't as many stand-out themes as in the OT, Return Of The Jedi being my favorite score of the OT.

skyjedi2005 said:

 

So now he is listed as doing superman the man of steel aka superman VI, the next 2 potter films supposedly and Jurassic Park IV as well as Lincoln and that spielberg movie about the vietnam draft dodgers.

That is a lot of stuff considering he stopped scoring films in 2005 and retired. Came out of so called retirement in 2008 to do a score that was light and full of reused material and full of fluff Indiana Jones IV.

Williams is as good as retired, unless it's a Lucas or Spielberg project.  IMDb lists him as merely the author of themes that will be used in the upcoming Superman, Harry Potter, and Jurassic Park films.

fsb

Octorox said:

settle down. It's a kids movie, it's not part of the main saga

THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE WRONG.  GL WANTS THIS TO BE A BIG PART OF THE SW SAGA.

End Credits said:

skyjedi2005 said:

 

So now he is listed as doing superman the man of steel aka superman VI, the next 2 potter films supposedly and Jurassic Park IV as well as Lincoln and that spielberg movie about the vietnam draft dodgers.

That is a lot of stuff considering he stopped scoring films in 2005 and retired. Came out of so called retirement in 2008 to do a score that was light and full of reused material and full of fluff Indiana Jones IV.

 

Williams is as good as retired, unless it's a Lucas or Spielberg project.  IMDb lists him as merely the author of themes that will be used in the upcoming Superman, Harry Potter, and Jurassic Park films.

 

fsb

SORRY ABOUT THE DOUBLE POST, BUT I HAD TO RESPOND TO THIS POST TOO.  JOHN WILLIAMS HAS ALREADY STATED THAT HE WILL COMPOSE AND CONDUCT THE SCORE FOR THE FINAL HARRY POTTER MOVIE.  NOW, WE HE DO THE MUSIC FOR PARTS ONE AND TWO OF THE FINAL MOVIE?  I WOULD THINK SO, BUT THAT HAS YET TO BE ANNOUNCED BY HIM.

You guys may want to think of this as just a kiddie flick but it is canon on the highest level G-Canon or george lucas canon.

Same goes for force unleashed and the new live action tv series.

As good as Genddy's show was George was not really involved in the writing or creation so it is not canon it is elseworlds or EU, Like the novels and the comics and other games lucas has not worked on.

I am not sure how but there have been some hints that clone wars and force unleashed are linked in some way.

I am not sure if this is because Anakin is a Jedi master in clone wars and has a padawan, and that Vader is a Sith master and has an apprentice in force unleashed.

Both go against canon.

Anakin was never elevated to the rank of master on the jedi council one of the reasons he got mad and turned to the dark side.

Also the rule of 2 philosophy aka the prequel canon and the ot canon are at odds with vader having an apprentice. Since Luke Skywalker was ment to be the dude to join vader in the sith and overthrow the emperor, though Luke obviously rejected that.

I'll quote yoda "Always two there are. NO more, no less. A master and an apprentice" referring to Darth Banes imposed rule of 2.

Unless between the trilogies or during the ot years the rule of two was abolished. As if finally seen in the legacy comics with the reborn sith.

Anakin was only elevated to the rank of a full jedi shortly before he turned according to one of the novels, which does not agree with his earlier Knighting as seen in the genddy series.

His padawan apprenticeship most likely lasted longer than other students because he never followed the rules and was too easily angered and showed way too much emotional attachments.

Sunday256 if the writing really is better than the prequels than you can thank Haden Blackman for that and not George.

Though i seriously doubt that from the trailer "kidnapped Jabba's son has been" LOL worse than the prequels.

and Ahsoka getting spit up on by the baby hutt and saying "I did not train for this"

I am curious to see what the sw.com and TF.N crowd are going to come up with to explain Anakin being a Jedi Master with a Padawan in these, which clearly contradicts ROTS. Maybe in the series finale he will be demoted and his padawan will die, then all the true believers will be able to taunt us doubter by saying "See there are no plot holes!pwnd by GL!!!!hahahahahha!!!!!!1"

Kind of weird about the Clone Wars cartoon series, it is used to show how Palps got kidnapped and how Grievous went from being a real villian to a crippled coughing idiot, and yet is not cannon. Seems like since you almost have to see it for the Grevious thing in ROTS to make since that it should be more cannonical than it is. Pretty poor planning, but then again, who has time to plan when you are swimming in cash.