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It is pretty insulting. I, however, have no intention of begging for moderator intervention.

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Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

If I have made false claims of harassment, please tell me names and times that I did it and links if possible.

Me, Frink, Possessed, Bingowings, oojason. Others too, probably. It’s funny because my earliest ever memory of you on this forum was when I first to came to off-topic and at the time Bingo was taking a temporary leave from the forum and every time someone mentioned missing him you’d talk about how anyone that wanted him to come back actually you gone because you couldn’t possibly use the same forum as some horrible guy like Bingo. It was pretty embarrassing. The most embarrassing one, in my opinion, was when you claimed that Frink was mocking your Christianity recently even though there was absolutely no reason to think that he was. You wanted my thread discussing police brutality deleted because it was too offensive to discuss things that happen in reality. You also wanted me banned for engaging you in an admittedly heated debate over the anthem, because it was harassment to point out the flaws in your thinking. You wanted me banned for responding to your public posts, which you claimed was harassment. It wouldn’t even surprise me if you reported this post even though you directly asked me this question.

Most often you aren’t being as specific with who you think is trying to ruin your life. It’s typically a more general “Everyone hates me” style of persecution complex, as is evident almost everywhere.

Thanks for typing all of that out so I didn’t have to.

Bingowings:

I admit to having problems(a lot of problems) with Bingo. But I will say he was very nice to me when my father died, so I think I may have misjudged him. I thought we were getting along better before he took this latest leave of absense.

Frink:

I deeply regret the accusation I made against Frink that he was mocking my Christianity. But I admitted I was wrong and apologized.

Possessed:

I don’t think I have accused him of harassing me. I do believe he has made some adversarial posts about me and I do believe he is angry with me. But I do not accuse him of harassment.

oojason:

I choose not to discuss this here because it is a moderation issue, also he is no longer a moderator.

As for others:

I will admit to feeling ganged up on at times and that I feel I am not as well liked/respected as I used to be. It may be a combination of my own fault and the fault of others. I wish things were different.

Then of course there is the one charge of harassment against a certain forum member that I still believe to be true.

The larger point is - if we went through your post history and gave examples of false claims of harassment or bullying with links, it would be multiple pages long and probably crash the forum.

that hurts.

Sorry if it does, but the fact that you have actual responses to each of these and only one of them is “I never did that” should prove to you that there is, in fact, a pattern of behavior here on your part.

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler, when multiple people say they feel you have a persecution complex, for you to effectively say “citation please” is to deny the accusation as patently false.

Asking for proof and clarification is not the same as denying something.

I’ve already told you that you need to purpose to stop holding grudges, to which your response was not much more than a *shrug*.

maybe people should also stop holding grudges against me as well.

People aren’t just saying you need to lighten up like it’s a thing to gang on Warbler or whatever. You genuinely honestly need to work on not taking things people say so seriously. Coming from me, speaking for myself, I am very much not picking on you when I say that.

I know you aren’t.

Warbler said:

that hurts.

The bottom line is, people don’t want to have to outline, ad nauseam, each and every instance by each and every user from whom you have ever felt picked on, nor discuss why each of those individually are or are not warranted.

It is difficult to come to any sort of agreement or understanding or solution when people don’t wish to discuss the facts and whatnot of the situation.

Calling us to do so will not get the response you seek because such a request, to be frank, is unreasonable.

trying to discuss this situation to come to an understanding isn’t reasonable?

We have neither the time nor the inclination to pore over individual examples of what hurts your feelings, especially if it appears you are unwilling to take advice given into consideration.

I am at least listening. That should tell you something.

You are responsible for your own life. You get to decide how you respond to those around you. Yes, they ought to be civil and polite, but when they aren’t that doesn’t absolve you of wrongdoing on your part,

I never said it absolved me of any wrongdoing nor do I think it does.

nor does the community at large want to listen to the ensuing back and forth.

without some back and forth, it is difficult to come to an understanding.

One person says I have made multiple false accusations of harassment. I wasn’t sure who and what he was talking about, so I asked for names and whatnot. I see nothing unreasonable about asking for that info. When names were given, I then talked about each case. I see nothing unreasonable about doing so. *shrugs*


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ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

If I have made false claims of harassment, please tell me names and times that I did it and links if possible.

Me, Frink, Possessed, Bingowings, oojason. Others too, probably. It’s funny because my earliest ever memory of you on this forum was when I first to came to off-topic and at the time Bingo was taking a temporary leave from the forum and every time someone mentioned missing him you’d talk about how anyone that wanted him to come back actually you gone because you couldn’t possibly use the same forum as some horrible guy like Bingo. It was pretty embarrassing. The most embarrassing one, in my opinion, was when you claimed that Frink was mocking your Christianity recently even though there was absolutely no reason to think that he was. You wanted my thread discussing police brutality deleted because it was too offensive to discuss things that happen in reality. You also wanted me banned for engaging you in an admittedly heated debate over the anthem, because it was harassment to point out the flaws in your thinking. You wanted me banned for responding to your public posts, which you claimed was harassment. It wouldn’t even surprise me if you reported this post even though you directly asked me this question.

Most often you aren’t being as specific with who you think is trying to ruin your life. It’s typically a more general “Everyone hates me” style of persecution complex, as is evident almost everywhere.

Thanks for typing all of that out so I didn’t have to.

Bingowings:

I admit to having problems(a lot of problems) with Bingo. But I will say he was very nice to me when my father died, so I think I may have misjudged him. I thought we were getting along better before he took this latest leave of absense.

Frink:

I deeply regret the accusation I made against Frink that he was mocking my Christianity. But I admitted I was wrong and apologized.

Possessed:

I don’t think I have accused him of harassing me. I do believe he has made some adversarial posts about me and I do believe he is angry with me. But I do not accuse him of harassment.

oojason:

I choose not to discuss this here because it is a moderation issue, also he is no longer a moderator.

As for others:

I will admit to feeling ganged up on at times and that I feel I am not as well liked/respected as I used to be. It may be a combination of my own fault and the fault of others. I wish things were different.

Then of course there is the one charge of harassment against a certain forum member that I still believe to be true.

The larger point is - if we went through your post history and gave examples of false claims of harassment or bullying with links, it would be multiple pages long and probably crash the forum.

that hurts.

Sorry if it does, but the fact that you have actual responses to each of these and only one of them is “I never did that” should prove to you that there is, in fact, a pattern of behavior here on your part.

I suppose it does. But keep in mind that one I already apologized for and one I said I wouldn’t talk about here.

I am really not sure what do, about all of this.


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ChainsawAsh said:

Or the fact that he quoted my quote of your post to respond to rather than your actual post. That would be insulting to me.

The person in question already knows why I am not engaging with him. He is free to take it to the mods. But I suggest he quote which rule he thinks I’ve broken. I would also point out that I think he has been very insulting to me in the last month or so.


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Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Or the fact that he quoted my quote of your post to respond to rather than your actual post. That would be insulting to me.

The person in question already knows why I am not engaging with him. He is free to take it to the mods. But I suggest he quote which rule he thinks I’ve broken. I would also point out that I think he has been very insulting to me in the last month or so.

moviefreakedmind said:

It is pretty insulting. I, however, have no intention of begging for moderator intervention.

Mark my words. Give it a while and you’ll have disregarded your internet restraining order on me and there’ll be someone else that you think is evil and out to get you for no reason. We’ve all seen this shit many times.

The Person in Question

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Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Or the fact that he quoted my quote of your post to respond to rather than your actual post. That would be insulting to me.

The person in question already knows why I am not engaging with him. He is free to take it to the mods. But I suggest he quote which rule he thinks I’ve broken. I would also point out that I think he has been very insulting to me in the last month or so.

This. This shit right here. This is fucking childish. And a perfect example of the entitled attitude you carry around with you.

a trolling bantha

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ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Or the fact that he quoted my quote of your post to respond to rather than your actual post. That would be insulting to me.

The person in question already knows why I am not engaging with him. He is free to take it to the mods. But I suggest he quote which rule he thinks I’ve broken. I would also point out that I think he has been very insulting to me in the last month or so.

This. This shit right here. This is fucking childish. And a perfect example of the entitled attitude you carry around with you.

Entitled attitude? I could maybe see someone thinking it childish, but entitled attitude? Regardless, I didn’t see any reasonable means of coming to an understanding with the person in question. It takes two people to do that and he wasn’t listening and was being unreasonable, rude, and insulting(and it led me to lose my temper and insult in return). His reaction to my decision to not engage with him anymore make it even more clear to me that he is an unreasonable and irrational person. Mods would not intervene so I took the only solution I could think of and decided to not engage with him anymore. I admit it hasn’t worked as well as I had hoped. I had hoped that we could just leave each alone, but that wasn’t good enough for the person in question.


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I didn’t insult you and I post things in response to you because you post a lot and when I find something objectionable, I point it out. That’s how discussions work.

As for entitlement, I’m assuming that comes from your insistence that I be banned and my threads be deleted even though they don’t violate forum rules.

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Warbler said:

I am really not sure what to do about all of this.

You say “I’m sorry you feel that I’m acting entitled, and I apologize for frequently acting persecuted. I’ll try to behave better in the future.” You mean what you say when you say that, and then you drop it. If necessary, you change the subject.

That’s what you should do.

Don’t say you already apologized because, if necessary, you apologize again. Don’t say “I’m sorry but [some reason or other]” or “I’ll apologize to this person but not that person.” You admit that they’re right—whether they actually are or not—endeavor to improve yourself (because at the end of the day, your own behavior is all you have control over), and move on down the road. If it comes up again, you do it again.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Or the fact that he quoted my quote of your post to respond to rather than your actual post. That would be insulting to me.

The person in question already knows why I am not engaging with him. He is free to take it to the mods. But I suggest he quote which rule he thinks I’ve broken. I would also point out that I think he has been very insulting to me in the last month or so.

This. This shit right here. This is fucking childish. And a perfect example of the entitled attitude you carry around with you.

Entitled attitude? I could maybe see someone thinking it childish, but entitled attitude?

Yep.

Mods would not intervene

Because they’re not at your beck and call to punish anyone you don’t like. That’s entitlement. Thinking the mods are your own personal police force that will ban anyone you complain to them about.

so I took the only solution I could think of and decided to not engage with him anymore.

While loudly announcing so. Like a child telling his friend “Will you tell so-and-so that I’m not speaking to him anymore?” when so-and-so is sitting right there.

You think everyone here has to treat you exactly the way you want them to treat you at all times, and if they don’t, they’re being unreasonable or bullying or harassing and you run and call for Wook or Jay. And sometimes they take your side just to shut you up for a while, which leads to you thinking you were in the right and digging your heels in with your attitude even more.

When it’s so fucking easy to just stop responding and skip over people’s posts if you don’t like what they’re saying. That’s probably what I’m about to do with this conversation myself, though I guess that depends how you react to this post.

I’m trying to help you understand how your behavior affects others, and how that affects the way they behave towards you. It’s created a feedback loop where you get offended or upset by one little thing and it just spirals until someone gets banned or leaves the forum in a huff.

Believe it or not, I want to help you get to a point where you can enjoy coming here again and can interact with other posters without them feeling like there tiptoeing through a minefield. But I think it might be too late for that.

a trolling bantha

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

I am really not sure what to do about all of this.

You say “I’m sorry you feel that I’m acting entitled, and I apologize for frequently acting persecuted. I’ll try to behave better in the future.” You mean what you say when you say that, and then you drop it. If necessary, you change the subject.

That’s what you should do.

Don’t say you already apologized because, if necessary, you apologize again. Don’t say “I’m sorry but [some reason or other]” or “I’ll apologize to this person but not that person.” You admit that they’re right—whether they actually are or not—endeavor to improve yourself (because at the end of the day, your own behavior is all you have control over), and move on down the road. If it comes up again, you do it again.

This this this this this.

(Emphasis added to the parts I feel most strongly about.)

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moviefreakedmind said:

How about, everybody choose a specific forum member to have an irrational persecution complex against?

Is anybody not taken? I’ll just stand over here by the wall and wait for someone to ask me.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Okay what I said earlier was too harsh and not true. Saying I’ve never liked you isn’t really true or a reasonable thing to say, and I apologize for that.

And it’s not entirely accurate for me to say I don’t like you now either. A more truthful way to put it is that I don’t like how you’ve been acting lately.

feel free to tell me why/what you don’t like how I’ve been acting lately:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Give-Warbler-Feedback/id/59418/page/2

I’ve already said all I needed to say about it, just subtract such Hyperbolic statements such as “I’ve never liked you” as those were over the top and also not really true.

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Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Okay what I said earlier was too harsh and not true. Saying I’ve never liked you isn’t really true or a reasonable thing to say, and I apologize for that.

And it’s not entirely accurate for me to say I don’t like you now either. A more truthful way to put it is that I don’t like how you’ve been acting lately.

feel free to tell me why/what you don’t like how I’ve been acting lately:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Give-Warbler-Feedback/id/59418/page/2

just subtract such Hyperbolic statements

45 - Subtract hyperbolic statements
46 - Add parabolic questions
47 - Multiply by tangential exclamations

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

chyron8472 said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

dahmage said:

41 - jar jar in jars

41a - jar jar in ajar jars

This makes me think of Jar Jar-themed jelly jars with jellied bits of jar jar in them. In bigger jars, that are ajar.

Jardy jar jar.

DuracellEnergizer said:

chyron8472 said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

dahmage said:

41 - jar jar in jars

41a - jar jar in ajar jars

This makes me think of Jar Jar-themed jelly jars with jellied bits of jar jar in them. In bigger jars, that are ajar.

Jardy jar jar.

Possessed said:

14/20

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that’s a good line. “my powers have doubled since the last time” is a terrible one though.

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

I am really not sure what to do about all of this.

You say “I’m sorry you feel that I’m acting entitled, and I apologize for frequently acting persecuted. I’ll try to behave better in the future.” You mean what you say when you say that, and then you drop it. If necessary, you change the subject.

Well I am not going to apologize for anything until I believe and feel something is my fault.

Don’t say you already apologized because, if necessary, you apologize again.

I apologized for a specific situation. I don’t see why I should apologize for it again and again. When I made the first apology, I meant it. I don’t know why that situation keeps being brought up again and again after I already admitted I was wrong and apologized.

Don’t say “I’m sorry but [some reason or other]”

Wouldn’t that depend upon the legitimacy of the “[some reason or other]”?

or “I’ll apologize to this person but not that person.”

I’ll apologize when I feel I have done something wrong. If I feel I have wronged person A but not person B, I don’t see why I can’t apologize to person A but not to person B.

You admit that they’re right—whether they actually are or not-

Why would I admit someone is right when I don’t believe that??

–endeavor to improve yourself (because at the end of the day, your own behavior is all you have control over), and move on down the road. If it comes up again, you do it again.

Easier said than done.


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ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Or the fact that he quoted my quote of your post to respond to rather than your actual post. That would be insulting to me.

The person in question already knows why I am not engaging with him. He is free to take it to the mods. But I suggest he quote which rule he thinks I’ve broken. I would also point out that I think he has been very insulting to me in the last month or so.

This. This shit right here. This is fucking childish. And a perfect example of the entitled attitude you carry around with you.

Entitled attitude? I could maybe see someone thinking it childish, but entitled attitude?

Yep.

Mods would not intervene

Because they’re not at your beck and call to punish anyone you don’t like. That’s entitlement. Thinking the mods are your own personal police force that will ban anyone you complain to them about.

I never believed that the mods were at my beck and call. I certainly don’t believe they are my own personal police force. I know they are not.

so I took the only solution I could think of and decided to not engage with him anymore.

While loudly announcing so. Like a child telling his friend “Will you tell so-and-so that I’m not speaking to him anymore?” when so-and-so is sitting right there.

Loudly? I announced it so he and everyone else would know what I was doing and why. I did it in hopes that he would leave me alone. I admit it hasn’t worked the way I wanted.

You think everyone here has to treat you exactly the way you want them to treat you at all times, and if they don’t, they’re being unreasonable or bullying or harassing and you run and call for Wook or Jay.

No, I just think everyone should treat everyone with respect. But yes, if I feel harassed and bullied and I feel the rules have been violated, I will go to Jay and the mods. But believe me, they won’t do anything merely on my request. They will only do something if they believe something should be done and/or if they believe the rules were violated.

And sometimes they take your side just to shut you up for a while,

I guarantee you Jay and the mods don’t do that. They wouldn’t take my side just to shut me up. If they wanted to shut me up they would tell me to shut up.

When it’s so fucking easy to just stop responding and skip over people’s posts if you don’t like what they’re saying.

Not when they are continuing to make false accusations and insults about me, it is not “so fucking easy”.

That’s probably what I’m about to do with this conversation myself, though I guess that depends how you react to this post.

Well I can’t stop you if you wish to do that. I have participated in hopes I could understand where others are coming from and see whatever fault I share in this. Yet if you and others decide to cease the conversation, coming to an understanding will be impossible if it is not already.

I’m trying to help you understand how your behavior affects others, and how that affects the way they behave towards you. It’s created a feedback loop where you get offended or upset by one little thing and it just spirals until someone gets banned or leaves the forum in a huff.

It is possible that I have caused someone or multiple someones to leave the forum in a huff. But I don’t think anyone has ever been banned merely because I was offended. The Jay and the mods don’t like me enough to do that. Jay and the mods only ban people because they want to, not because of anything I do or say.

Believe it or not, I want to help you get to a point where you can enjoy coming here again and can interact with other posters without them feeling like there tiptoeing through a minefield. But I think it might be too late for that.

It may well be too late. I hope and wish it is not, but I do not honestly know. I honestly believe you are trying to help me, even if I do not agree with everything you say. I thank you for trying even if it does not work out.


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Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Okay what I said earlier was too harsh and not true. Saying I’ve never liked you isn’t really true or a reasonable thing to say, and I apologize for that.

And it’s not entirely accurate for me to say I don’t like you now either. A more truthful way to put it is that I don’t like how you’ve been acting lately.

feel free to tell me why/what you don’t like how I’ve been acting lately:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Give-Warbler-Feedback/id/59418/page/2

I’ve already said all I needed to say about it, just subtract such Hyperbolic statements such as “I’ve never liked you” as those were over the top and also not really true.

understood. I am glad you changed your mind about the words “I’ve never liked you”


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