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skyjedi2005 said:

Compare this Show to Heroes which has become a joke of Late.  Producers being fired, and its creator lashing out at fans.

The reaction, by the executives, to Heroes "low" ratings is lame.  And everyone's reaction to that firing is even lamer.  The problem NBC has is that it no longer has a sure fire winner.  The first season of Heroes had phenomenal ratings.  Now that the ratings are down to the level of the average show, they're angry.

Personally, I think Heroes is actually getting better.  They're showing that there's a lot more going on than everybody thought.  I can't wait until the eclipse ends to see what happens.

Back OT.  What I took from last nights episode is that while they can send someone back in time, it's not always accurate.  If it was, there's no reason they couldn't send someone back 5 feet from John on the right date in order to kill him.  It looks like the accuracy is increased based on generalities (hitting the right year, month, and day as an example), but sometimes it can still go wrong.

 

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I am still thinking John isn't a big deal anymore. Perhaps he is still coded into the Terminator's brains as destroy on sight, if they have a shot at him, they might as well, but if it was their primary mission, as it was Cromarties, then he'd be dead by now. From what we have seen, there are a lot of robots out there, but we have no evidence that they are after him. I think we have moved onto bigger things than one man and the actions he makes that ultimately win the war. T1 Terminator was a last ditch effort by the machines on the verge of defeat. In the alternate future, any number of things could happen differently.

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This season started off rather enjoyably, but it has reached the point of pretty awful. Too bad, I had really high hopes for this show.

We seem to have this trend of show jumping the shark in a bad way on their second season, like Heroes and now this. I imagine it will happen a lot more often as shows continue to try to rip off Lost with its mysteries and out of order story telling. It worked well for Lost, but it just doesn't work for everything. TSSC out of order story telling style often just makes it confusing and even lame, rather than cool and revolutionary (as I suppose they are aiming for).

I really thought this could take off and be a pretty good show, but they are far too focused on cheap tricks and mysteries to shock us with, rather than on telling a good story to entertain us. Stupid sleep clinic episode is a good example of a cheap trick, we are lead to believe the sleep clinic is real and the kidnapping is the dream, then they flip it and it turns out dumb Sarah got herself captured and is dreaming about being in a sleep clinic. It is a dumb idea, nonsensical and pointless, and it did nothing to drive the story forward. It is episodes like this, which are quickly becoming the norm, that are going to seal the fate of this show.

Last episode I really enjoyed was the one where they have the showdown with Chromartie in Mexico. Since then it is obvious they ran out of story, and are now just trying stuff on to see how it fits, and so far none of it has.

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THIS WEEK'S EPISODE GOT BACK ON TRACK AS FAR AS THE PLOT GOES.  THE THREE PREVIOUS WEEKS WERE HORRIBLE.  THE PRODUCERS HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT THEY ARE GOING TO TIE UP ALL OF THE PLOTS JUST IN CASE THEY DON'T RETURN FOR ANOTHER SEASON.

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Yeah, I just watched the latest episode after I wrote that post, it was a lot better than the last few.

Wow, glad to hear they plan to tie up the plot with this season. I'd hate to have this be another show ending on a cliff hanger due to cancellation. If they tie it up and it does come back for the third season, I will still be back to watch it, so long as the episodes are not as retarded and pointless as the last few.

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Yeah, I have considered that too. It was at first my excuse for things going so badly, as Terminator has always been a hunter vs. prey story. But actually, while the dynamic changes without a hunter, there is still a lot of stuff going on, so the show doesn't have to suck just because they are not on the run. Good writters could make it work, instead they are jacking off and trying to figure out how to complete with Lost in the out of order story telling and bizare mysteries departments. It just doesn't work well that way as a show. Linear episodes like Friday's episode is the way to go, it simply works, no reason to mess with it.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I do not even know what they decided to make Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. For starts, it is a old idea, back in the 90's there was talk of a
Terminator TV show called Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
Next is why are they trying to ease T3. Some people may not like T3, but seeing that T:TSCC is a TV show, it will have bad ones too, but I have a feel that they will not try to ease them like they are try to ease T3. The time jumping to 2007 was just dumb. The kicker is that the New Terminator movie called Terminator Salvation is a sequel to T3 (set 14 years after T3) and it turns out will NOT have links to T:TSCC which was first plan. That makes T:TSCC, the real alternate timeline/non-canon one. Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles is just so pointless and a waste of time.         

Also: To me, Summer Glau is just poor version of Kristanna Loken.

        

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I dunno. i thought the last episode was great. if you don't like it simply ignore it.

 

I prefer Summer Glau.

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How can any actress really be a poor version of another actress? Just because they look alike? How does that even work? If someone told me that I was a poor version of someone else just because that person looked like me, I would kindly smash their face with my fist. Very asinine reasoning. Also, what is your intention by making such a statement? That Summer Glau should not be an actress because another actress looks somewhat like her? Or that the casting crew on TSCC should have cast the other actress in her spot, but were too cheap to do so? If this is the case, I had never even heard of that other actress before, but I have known of Summer since Firefly. Do you have anything to back up that Summer is the "cheaper" actress? Perhaps this other chick is the cheapy version of Summer Glau? I sure as hell bet she can't do "creepy" the way Summer can.

I hated T3, so any erasing of it is welcome to me. Every TV show has some crap episodes, it just comes with the territory. Also it not fitting in with Terminator Salvation doesn't bother me either. Chances are Terminator Salvation will be a pile of garbage too. Of course, their deep desire to get Terminator Salvation to mesh with T3 is exactly why they had Nick Stahl play John, right? LOL. Obviously the Terminator Salvation guys realized that was a painful miscasting, and were all too happy to "erase" Stahl as Connor by casting Bale. Personally, I hope Terminator Salvation is really good, and that its DVD/BD will find a place in my movie collection right next to T2.

To me, the TV show is entertaining, I enjoy watching it. So to me it is not a waste of time. They are making money off of it, so it is not a waste of time to them either. Much like Johnny said, if you are not enjoying it and feel it wastes your time to watch it, simply don't.

The obvious reasons for not having it connect to the upcoming movie are that the end of the TV show is still up in the air, who knows how many seasons it will get (hopefully not many, I'd say three looks like a sound number for this thing). And that the movie is to appeal to a larger audience, i.e. people who do not follow the TV show, but will go see the movie.

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The thing is with Time Travel fiction continuity is almost non existent when you can and they do change things in the timeline that effect future outcomes of things.

Time travel while a cool concept has been made laughable by hollywood films and tv.

I personally love the Sarah Connor Chronicles for what it is and not for what it is not.  I'm a huge fan of Summer Glau, i am also a Fan of Kristin Loken and Glau is the better actress.  Painkiller Jane was an okay show just not terminator,lol.

If you think Summer Glau is awful you probably never saw Firefly, or serenity. 

But taken about actresses who are actractive and have pretty faces and cannot act for shit, ever seen Dark Angel by James Cameron.

Summer Glau has no depth to her acting but neither does Loken.

Sex sells get over it, man people take fiction so seriously.Lol.

I like most Terminator fans consider T3 to not be canon, and pretend it does not exist.  And the new terminator films and tv show pretty much pretend it does not either.

I mean what Arnold just came back for the money and the story was crap, and it ruined the first 2 films especially T2.  T3 pretty much made the second awesome film by Cameron pointless.

Salvation might ne complete and utter shit considering it is pg-13, i hope its a Hard pg-13 what the R used to be.  Hopefully it is not another die hard 4.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Salvation might ne complete and utter shit considering it is pg-13, i hope its a Hard pg-13 what the R used to be.  Hopefully it is not another die hard 4.

Actually, 'Salvation' hasn't been rated yet, and the director has said he wasn't thinking about any rating at all while making it, and that the studio basically said they didn't care what it was rated.  But if the MPAA gives it an R and says "but if you change these 2 things, you can get a PG-13," they'll probably cut the two things and get a PG-13.

There's one nude scene with Moon Bloodgood that he already said would be in if it was R, out if it ended up a PG-13.  My bet's on this one being rated R.  T3, on the other hand, may as well have been PG-13.  There was no "edge" in that movie at all, and what, two fucks as opposed to MANY in T1/T2?

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I think T3 did get the R rating just because it had two or three fucks in it, as opposed to the one nonsexual "fuck" allowed by the MPAA for PG-13 ratings. So yeah, might as well be rated PG-13. I do hope the new one gets an R rating, and not just because of slightly too many fucks. 

 

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Summer Glau has no depth to her acting but neither does Loken.

 

Huh, I have not seen Glau in anything other than Firefly/Serenity and TSCC. And in both of them she plays a very abnormal character that doesn't show much emotion, so even if she is able to act with great depth, we wouldn't know it. I think she does a great job at the two roles she has had, hopefully for her next role she'll try out something different. I guess she has had a few guest appearances on a few other things, but I haven't seen them.

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John did too many weird head movements in the last episode. Reminded me of one of my old G.I. Joe's whose neck was loose and would roll around whenever you'd move him. That bugged me about the last episode, I don't know why, but it was actually getting on my nerves. It was when he was preaching to Jesse, his head was all over the place.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Summer Glau has no depth to her acting but neither does Loken.

 

Huh, I have not seen Glau in anything other than Firefly/Serenity and TSCC. And in both of them she plays a very abnormal character that doesn't show much emotion, so even if she is able to act with great depth, we wouldn't know it. I think she does a great job at the two roles she has had, hopefully for her next role she'll try out something different. I guess she has had a few guest appearances on a few other things, but I haven't seen them.

She was in a few episodes of The Unit as well.

Anyone that thinks her acting has no depth isn't paying attention.  She played a disturbed psychic in FireFly/Serenity (and if you saw the movie, you'd know exactly why she was disturbed).  In TSCC, she plays a Terminator.  How much emotion are we expecting?  She's a machine and she seems to act like one to me.  She shows no emotion whatsoever (except that one episode), even when John's trying to explain something to her.  It's like if it doesn't result in something logical, she simply doesn't get it (makes sense for a machine).

In The Unit, she played someone's wife and I thought she did it very well.

Loken seems to always play some kind of sexed up character.  That's not acting, it's called modelling.

 

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I can't help but feel I have just finished watching what will be another sci-fi show ending on a permanent cliff hanger...

Poor show has barely been showing a pulse for the last months, the middle of the season sucked so badly nobody even cared about it. As it was thrown to the depths of Friday nights, things looked pretty grim. Wish they could have just tied it up and ended it. I'd like to be optimistic and think there is a chance for a season three (a season three in the settings of where they left the show could be really cool, actually. I am anxiously awaiting it in that delusional part of my mind), but nomatter how much I stretch my imagination, I just can't imagine it getting renewed. :(

The curse of the sci-fi fan I suppose...

If only I were gay and liked shows like Gray's Anatomy or the typical CW tripe, I'd never have to worry about this sort of thing.

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SEASON THREE WOULD BENEFIT FROM TERMINATOR: SALVATION AS FAR AS GETTING MORE PEOPLE TO REALIZE THAT IT'S OUT THERE.  I COULD SEE THE SHOW MOVING TO SCI-FI OR TNT.  I WOULD REALLY HATE FOR IT TO MOVE TO THE CW IF THAT WERE A POSSIBILITY AS I'M SURE THAT THE BUDGET WOULD BE COMPLETELY STRIPPED DOWN.

 

 

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Wow, They had better do another season now. it's annoying when shows never recover from a cliff-hanger ending [ala red dwarf]. The ending was pretty interesting and they could really go anywhere from here - but we do still have a driving point for the story - "where the fuck is John Henry?"

It took me a bit to realise that it was actually Allison at the end too, If it were Cameron that dog would have tried to rip her face off - If Kyle Reese taught me anything. It could be that this is earlier than the point in time we know, But then the franchise is riddled with paradox, What's one more.

I looks like a future where John never sent Kyle back in time to protect Sarah...

 

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From what I got, the idea was that since John jumped forward in time, he jumped over growing up and being there to lead in the war against the machines. Whether it is before or after Kyle got sent back doesn't matter, since in a future without John, Kyle would never be sent back to start with.

I fail to see the paradox here. I think this show has done rather well with the time travel concept actually. I like the idea of new timelines being created, rather than the Back to the Future changing timeline (i.e. Marty starts to disappear when events take place that prevent his parents from hooking up).

Now we have the T2 timeline that goes onto T3

The Sarah Connor Chronicle timeline where they branch off after T2 and time jump past T3. Which was confirmed in the show when we discovered that Jesse came from an alternative future from Derek (perhaps the only good thing the show gained from her character).

Derek was likely from the timeline following T3, and by his returing and altering things, mixed with the many adventure of John and the gang, we ended up with Jesse's timeline.

Now, with John skipping over Judgment Day and not being there to lead, we ultimately end up with a timeline where he never exists (since he cannot send his father back in time to sire him). 

For a franchise whose first major plot twist was a HUGE paradox, I think it is doing pretty well with the concept of time travel at this time.

I really hope we get a third season. I don't care who picks it up, I'd be a shame to loose it now, but belonging to Fox, I am pretty sure it is doomed.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Yeah i was thinking along those lines a bit earlier - in that John Henry basically vanished and wasn't around to combat the formation of Skynet...as Weaver was hoping.

belonging to Fox, I am pretty sure it is doomed.

Yep, about as doomed as Sarah is having been left alone with Ellison.

 

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That is dumb if Kyle was not sent back the paradox should mean John never was born.  Like Marty Mcfly he should be erased from existence.   Throw in Doc brown saying "great scott".  and Marty "this is heavy".

If he was not born how can he be leading the fight against the machines as batman in the new movie,lol.

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