Team Negative1 — Page 7

I never posted a frame from that scan on OT.COM, or its filename.
If you can point to the post, please do.

A similar filename was sent to an audio analysis company, as part of a query as to why their software did not process sequential filenames with a particular name layout, and did not contain the owners initials.
There was never an image posted anywhere, and the filename had no reference to what the image content would have been. There was absolutely no way anyone could have known what the file may have contained, and the file itself was never posted.
I repeat, the files were not posted, images were not posted.

Again, Williarob, if you can back up this claim by linking to an actual post, not someone elses emails or comments, please do.

TV’s Frink said:

Williarob said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Thank you williarob for being open and transparent. Thank you to the silent member who offered to help back up and let the facts be presented for all to see. Thanks to neg1 for being willing to take the heat to help save star wars properly.

The facts have been presented for all to see? All I see is a he said / he said situation. Presumably Jay has seen more, but we certainly have not. We’ve seen Mike say one thing and williarob say something else. Nothing more.

If Mike comes out and says he made a mistake, that’s a different story, but that hasn’t happened yet.

But don’t you see? My Story and Mike’s Story are exactly the same. I haven’t denied anything he said as being false or untrue. In fact I’m pretty sure I confirmed that everything he said is true. Mike believed that we had both scans, including the one he paid for, and that doesn’t make his statement untrue, that is what he believed, but as it turns out he was able to contact person #2 before they sent the second scan so we never received it. Go back and re-read Mike’s version of events, and then mine. They are the same story, but from different ends.

I’ll be completely honest here, I’m having trouble following the story. So you are saying you never received the scan he paid for.

That is correct. We were going to get Mike’s scan as well, but then there was all that freaking out that he mentioned (that really happened - Mike Skyped me in a panic asking if I had ever heard of somebody named Poita) and he was able to trace it all back to person #2 who agreed not to send us the other scan (which was the one Mike paid for, and was based on the so-so print owned (at that time) by person #2.)

Does he believe you?

It shouldn’t matter if he believes us or not, Mike can recognize any of the scans by looking at just a few frames. The remaining damage in our preview of Reel 5 contains more than enough frames for Mike to be able to match them to a print and if he does that he will know which print it is, and that it is the print belonging to person #3, which is not the scan he paid for.

The fact that Mike and Person #2 had completely different ideas of what they could do with the scans is not our fault.

But I’ve already been through all that.

The only question we should be addressing here is did the team behave unethically? Let’s see:
Did they steal the print? No.
Did they obtain it without the consent of the person who paid for the scan? No.
Did the owner of the print allow the person who paid for the scan to make that scan? Yes.
Was the print owner aware that it would be used by the person who paid for the scan as well as by Mike Verta? Of course, why the hell else would somebody pay all that money for a scan if he didn’t expect to do something with it?
Was Team Negative One told they could have the scan for reference purposes only? No.
Did the owner of the print contact Team Negative One and ask them not to use it? No.
When asked to stop posting about the print on the off chance that another project might lead to a legitimate release, did they do so? Yes.
Did the members of Team Negative One have their characters tarnished unfairly in a public forum without so much as a warning from the moderators? You bet your ass.

Case Closed.

poita said:

I never posted a frame from that scan on OT.COM, or its filename.
If you can point to the post, please do.

well maybe Mike just believed you did, I never saw it, it’s just what he told me. Poita, I’m not accusing you of any wrong doing here. All I know for sure is that I got a crazy Skype call from Mike Verta late one night in 2014 asking if I knew who you were because apparently he had traced a file, posted online back to someone with that name. He didn’t give me a link and it was all very unsettling.

At the time I knew very little about you - just that you often posted on OT, and that you seemed to suffer from ill health and that’s what I told him. Presumably he then skyped or called other people.

Wasn’t it said that they also decided to axe the IB Tech release because it might interfere with mverta’s negotiations with Fox and the Rat?

Williarob said:
It shouldn’t matter if he believes us or not, Mike can recognize any of the scans by looking at just a few frames. The remaining damage in our preview of Reel 5 contains more than enough frames for Mike to be able to match them to a print and if he does that he will know which print it is, and that it is the print belonging to person #3, which is not the scan he paid for.

So wait, the Technicolor scan you guys do have is the “good” scan, and not the “So so” scan… and this scan was paid for by its “owner” and you have been given permission to use it as you see fit?

And the project isn’t going to continue?. This is crazy talk, complete crazy talk.

Molly said:

Wasn’t it said that they also decided to axe the IB Tech release because it might interfere with mverta’s negotiations with Fox and the Rat?

Oh fucking fuck that.

Williarob said:

poita said:

I never posted a frame from that scan on OT.COM, or its filename.
If you can point to the post, please do.

well maybe Mike just believed you did, I never saw it, it’s just what he told me.

Well please refrain from tarring people with a brush from what you think someone may have thought.

Williarob said:
We were going to get Mike’s scan as well

So you planning to get Mike’s print as well and use that, it is only a bit of bad luck that stopped it happening, not ethics?

poita said:

Williarob said:

poita said:

I never posted a frame from that scan on OT.COM, or its filename.
If you can point to the post, please do.

well maybe Mike just believed you did, I never saw it, it’s just what he told me.

Well please refrain from tarring people with a brush from what you think someone may have thought.

Apologies. But are you suggesting that not everything Mike Verta says is true? (gasp!)

poita said:

Williarob said:

poita said:

I never posted a frame from that scan on OT.COM, or its filename.
If you can point to the post, please do.

well maybe Mike just believed you did, I never saw it, it’s just what he told me.

Well please refrain from tarring people with a brush from what you think someone may have thought.

Williarob said:
We were going to get Mike’s scan as well

So you planning to get Mike’s print as well and use that, it is only a bit of bad luck that stopped it happening, not ethics?

No, we won’t be getting that scan, but we may yet make a scan of that print ourselves.

Williarob said:

poita said:

Williarob said:

poita said:

I never posted a frame from that scan on OT.COM, or its filename.
If you can point to the post, please do.

well maybe Mike just believed you did, I never saw it, it’s just what he told me.

Well please refrain from tarring people with a brush from what you think someone may have thought.

Williarob said:
We were going to get Mike’s scan as well

So you planning to get Mike’s print as well and use that, it is only a bit of bad luck that stopped it happening, not ethics?

No, we won’t be getting that scan, but we may yet make a scan of that print ourselves.

And besides, we were OFFERED that scan, we didn’t ASK for it.

Williarob said:

poita said:

Williarob said:

poita said:

I never posted a frame from that scan on OT.COM, or its filename.
If you can point to the post, please do.

well maybe Mike just believed you did, I never saw it, it’s just what he told me.

Well please refrain from tarring people with a brush from what you think someone may have thought.

Apologies. But are you suggesting that not everything Mike Verta says is true? (gasp!)

I am saying what you posted about me in the forum is not true.

poita said:

Williarob said:

poita said:

Williarob said:

poita said:

I never posted a frame from that scan on OT.COM, or its filename.
If you can point to the post, please do.

well maybe Mike just believed you did, I never saw it, it’s just what he told me.

Well please refrain from tarring people with a brush from what you think someone may have thought.

Apologies. But are you suggesting that not everything Mike Verta says is true? (gasp!)

I am saying what you posted about me in the forum is not true.

And I believe you, and I apologized.

towne32 said:

Stinky-Dinkins said:

Molly said:

Wasn’t it said that they also decided to axe the IB Tech release because it might interfere with mverta’s negotiations with Fox and the Rat?

Oh fucking fuck that.

No. Regardless of who is right or wrong with all the other crap. No to this comment infinitely.

If it proceeds, never minding all the other BS, it will surely be proceeding because it is not seen to interfere with the Fox/Rat talks. Hell, it probably won’t be anywhere approaching partway done by that time. But don’t dismiss those negotiations as if they’re not the most important thing happening on or around this site.

Oh please. If you think having a custom Technicolor project out in the wild from Team -1 will interfere any more than the existing 35mm project, or any other specific project like DeEd, you are crazy, as if they would see a huge distinction between the two. No giant corporation could give a flying fuck, as it would not in any way affect the potential profitability, or lack thereof, of any project they’re presented. This is obviously not the reason. So are you telling me the -1 Technicolor project was announced, it was worked on, previewed publically on this forum, access was granted to a great scan for the project, explicit permission to use the scan by the scan’s owner, and then suddenly it’s decided (after all that) to pull the plug as not to interfere with Mike Verta’s negotiations for the “greater good”, and for this reason to keep the plug pulled? It’s obvious why the plug was pulled: accusations over ownership of particular scanned print. If this turns out not to be the case, it’s time to plug back in.

Absolutely absurd. What a monumental waste.

This is getting very confusing. I am no longer convinced that any wrong was done, and it is very suspicious that they were never given a chance to defend themselves. I think we need to have a outsider review the emails. Someone who would not be biased either way. I almost feel like Frink should do it, becuase he would not favor the team. If he says there innocent, its a sure thing.

robertelee said:

This is getting very confusing.

Yeah it’s like when my Dad wore a dress as a joke but then wore it the next day too.

robertelee said:
Someone who would not be biased either way. I almost feel like Frink should do it, becuase he would not favor the team.

Hear that? It’s the sound of light chuckling in the distance, coming from Frink’s house. Contradictions amuse Frink.

TV’s Frink said:

Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen…except for that part about the dress. I never saw that one coming.

This is getting too ridiculous Frink. It’s obvious the only sensible solution is for Team -1 to send me all of his emails, personal and otherwise. I will pay for you to scan all of them, at which point you will return them to me and I will send the relevant copies for Towne to review.

Regardless of the gravity of this individual situation, I think it was the straw that broke the camel’s back for N1. Absurd posts were being made constantly by the team account (and some clearly by negative 1 himself) with no regard for the forum rules. He also constantly ignored his many warnings for posting outside of TN1 threads. That alone (in my opinion of course) was enough for a ban just given how he had no respect for the rules or leeway TN1 was given.

moviefreakedmind said:

Regardless of the gravity of this individual situation, I think it was the straw that broke the camel’s back for N1. Absurd posts were being made constantly by the team account (and some clearly by negative 1 himself) with no regard for the forum rules. He also constantly ignored his many warnings for posting outside of TN1 threads. That alone (in my opinion of course) was enough for a ban just given how he had no respect for the rules or leeway TN1 was given.

No argument from me here. And if that the mods would like to make that the reason for the ban, I’ll go to bed happy. But I’m still seeking an apology for the accusation that we behaved unethically. Because that is Not true.