Team Negative1 — Page 10

Stinky-Dinkins said:

Williarob said:
I think that the Tech scan will be forever tainted by what happened here, and therefore I don’t think we should continue to use it. Instead, we shall try and make a new scan of the same print that Mike cannot lay any claims to and take it from there.

To not use a beautiful Tech scan someone paid 30k dollars for and then gave you permission to use is fucking insane. To not use the one Mike funded himself makes perfect sense and -1 absolutely shouldn’t have access to it if Mike doesn’t want him to, but to not use the one someone else paid for and allowed you to use is such a shame. What a loss for the community.

Exactly.

TV’s Frink said:

Williarob said:

I think the ban on the team account should remain, because that user clearly broke a lot of rules despite multiple warnings.

If I were being fair, I’d point out that the team account did not get banned due to the rule-breaking, and once the “three strikes” ultimatum was handed down by Jay, only had received one strike so far. So it’s maybe a little unfair to ban the team now based on the rules.

With that said, I’ve long held the position that the team account was completely unnecessary and bad optics, so of course I have no problem with the account remaining banned.

And with that said, I would have no problem with N1’s account being reinstated, at least until all of this was sorted out (if it ever is). Unless Jay is privy to additional information we aren’t, of course. As others have said, I would hate to get banned just because Fo accused me of something I didn’t do. There certainly does seem to be enough contradiction and confusion to allow for reasonable doubt.

But I don’t know, maybe Jay is just sick of everything N1.

Only YOU have said THIS …

As others have said, I would hate to get banned just because Fo accused me of something I didn’t do.

But anyways, I have to come to learn and enjoy your wit and outlook on things here. I respect you. However, I do feel that your postings can cloud the issue further when you get wishy washy. It is no secret that in your own way you do test the waters around here and you are pretty much left to your own space. You are a more senior member around here and I’m betting newer members including myself feel that your posts are based on experience and fact but that is not always the case. I know you have no love for N1, you’ve made that very clear, but how many times does it need to be said?

I think N1 should be allowed to have his account back.
I believe TN1 should be allowed to post for now to make their case before a final ban on the account.
I agree that Team AND Sock accounts have no good use in this community for obvious reasons.
I believe that TN1 has been unfairly judged, hung, and slapped around and that it is possible it was done with negative intention.
I also believe that this was handled poorly from the get go.

I apologize to you Frink, for getting a bit harsh, I just wish that sometimes you’d be a bit more open-minded off the cuff instead of waiting until after we’ve had a run-in like this to be a bit more reasonable and senior-member like as you were above.

I have supported TN1 during this and I will continue to do so until it is shown they acted as labeled. I support both projects and will continue to do so fully.

Again Frink, I am sorry. I think all of us, myself included, have had a rough go with this situation. You and I are passionate people who are not always so on the same side. I appreciate this and I hope we can continue our basic camaraderie here.

To Williarob,

Thank you for bringing more to light than was known so that folks had a better idea of where things actually were. You were brave in doing so. I hope it pays off as it should.

Jay said:

The only member from TN1 who has offered any explanation of these events to me personally is Williarob. I lifted the ban on negative1’s account, so he can post here if he likes. Any other member of TN1 is also welcome to post. The ban on the team account will remain in effect.

No disrespect, but if I was being permanently banned, and publicly hanged out to dry, without being allowed to respond to an accusation first, which appears to have happened, I would also be less inclined to explain myself. Why does the burden of proof lie with TN1?

Any one of them is free to defend themselves or the team here. They just can’t hide behind the team account to do it. What’s the problem with that?

TV’s Frink said:

Any one of them is free to defend themselves or the team here. They just can’t hide behind the team account to do it. What’s the problem with that?

The problem is that they as a group are guilty until proven innocent. At least, that’s how it appears, by keeping the ban on the team account.

Edit: I’m not part of the team, but I personally feel judgement was handed out too swiftly.

DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

Any one of them is free to defend themselves or the team here. They just can’t hide behind the team account to do it. What’s the problem with that?

The problem is that they as a group are guilty until proven innocent. At least, that’s how it appears, by keeping the ban on the team account.

Edit: I’m not part of the team, but I personally feel judgement was handed out too swiftly.

Perhaps Jay should clarify why TN1 remains banned, but N1 is reinstated and all are free to defend themselves. Seems perfectly fair to me.

Mavimao said:

Release this pain. Release it! …This pain has poisoned your soul for a long time. Now you’ve taken the first step. The other steps we’ll take together.

No thanks.

Lock this thing up!

LexX said:

Who the fuck gives a shit except you?

There are plenty of other people who agree with me, and some have said so publicly. But more importantly, Jay made the rules, so maybe you should bitch at him instead of me.

Plenty of people had problems with the way the TN1 account operated. Even Williarob has said such. He even maintains that now that he thinks the group is clear of wrong doing. It’s probably the least controversial aspect of all of this.

LexX said:

You should follow your own advice and leave if you don’t like how the forum is (was) run.

If he should have left for not liking how it was run, should you leave for not liking how it is run? This is American politics logic. You don’t like the President I voted for? You can geeet out. Next election: I don’t like the President you voted for. I should stick around.

I agree with Stinky… if you’re allowed to use the Tech scan, fucking do it!

Stinky-Dinkins said:

Jetrell Fo said:
Thank you for bringing more to light than was known so that folks had a better idea of where things actually were. You were brave in doing so.

Remember that scene in Saving Private Ryan where Tom Hanks whispers “Earn this” to Matt Damon? I think you and Frink got each other so riled up that you just shared one of those moments with eachother, digitally. And it made me wicked uncomfortable. If this thread ends with Jay reassuring Frink that he’s a good man over -1’s grave we’re all automatically inducted into the drama queen hall of fame.

I totally understand. Sorry for freeking you out. My apology to Frink is sincere and genuine. The unfortunate thing here is that even if other team members come to speak it will not matter that they can prove their position…the damage has already been done and I fear there will be no apology. It is my opinion that whomever gave their side of their story first holds more sway and will be allowed to keep it. Trust is going to be the issue going forward as a community. I totally hope I’m wrong but it’s not looking good right now.

LexX said:

TV’s Frink said:

LexX said:

There are plenty of other people who agree with me, and some have said so publicly. But more importantly, Jay made the rules, so maybe you should bitch at him instead of me.

Agreeing and bitching about it everywhere are two different things. I did not say that I don’t agree with others or the rules. I was questioning your questions “why this” and “why that” and the reason behind your continuos complaining even after they got banned.

I’m not sure what continuous complaining I have supposedly done, but I responded to the post that asked why the team account was a problem. Jay obviously agrees, so what’s your problem?

I just think it’s weird that the person who hated them the most is most vocal in this thread about them that does not concern that person in the least. You got what you wanted, you should be happy.

Other than you and Fo attacking me for some reason, I’m just fine. Hell, I suggested that N1’s individual account be reactivated so he could defend himself if he so wished. But feel free to keep ignoring anything I say that doesn’t fit your narrative. I’m sure everyone else is really enjoying this pointless back-and-forth that has nothing to do with this thread.

And I’m certainly calmer than you, Lebowski.

Jetrell Fo said:

Stinky-Dinkins said:

Jetrell Fo said:
Thank you for bringing more to light than was known so that folks had a better idea of where things actually were. You were brave in doing so.

Remember that scene in Saving Private Ryan where Tom Hanks whispers “Earn this” to Matt Damon? I think you and Frink got each other so riled up that you just shared one of those moments with eachother, digitally. And it made me wicked uncomfortable. If this thread ends with Jay reassuring Frink that he’s a good man over -1’s grave we’re all automatically inducted into the drama queen hall of fame.

I totally understand. Sorry for freeking you out.

It is impossible to freak out Stinky. The pictures I have prove it.

TV’s Frink said:

LexX said:

TV’s Frink said:

LexX said:

There are plenty of other people who agree with me, and some have said so publicly. But more importantly, Jay made the rules, so maybe you should bitch at him instead of me.

Agreeing and bitching about it everywhere are two different things. I did not say that I don’t agree with others or the rules. I was questioning your questions “why this” and “why that” and the reason behind your continuos complaining even after they got banned.

I’m not sure what continuous complaining I have supposedly done, but I responded to the post that asked why the team account was a problem. Jay obviously agrees, so what’s your problem?

I just think it’s weird that the person who hated them the most is most vocal in this thread about them that does not concern that person in the least. You got what you wanted, you should be happy.

Other than you and Fo attacking me for some reason, I’m just fine. Hell, I suggested that N1’s individual account be reactivated so he could defend himself if he so wished. But feel free to keep ignoring anything I say that doesn’t fit your narrative. I’m sure everyone else is really enjoying this pointless back-and-forth that has nothing to do with this thread.

And I’m certainly calmer than you, Lebowski.

I apologized to you publicly. Please leave me out of your responses in regards to that matter. On a side note … Jay, is the evidence of the accusers going to be presented openly as williarob has done or is that evidence in some off limits state at this point?