Team Negative1 - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version (Released) — Page 8

Another HD 720p videoclip of the Medical Bay Scene, again this is from the poor quality pink faded Kodak 1 print.

Note all the warping and the weave in this. While the colors are fine, the image is not stable:

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k3R4bcTxTs7j024XML5

Mirror:

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http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-KQJ7k/i-HkF2LHN

You will see that this matches the previously posted screenshots.

Team Negative1

So -1 is still involved?

TV's Frink said:

So -1 is still involved?

I rest my case.

:(

AntcuFaalb said:

Thanks for setting-the-record-straight, Team-1. For the record: I never thought this was a hoax or anything of the sort. Keep up the good work!

team_negative1 said:

And, for the 8mm one, you have to go to AMPS to see what is holding up the progress on that, where there are people that would prefer that to the 35mm one.

The Super8 project (as well as others) is on AMPS because we want to release hyperlinks to downloads and such without putting OT.com at risk. AMPS is more of an unofficial-sister-forum than competition.

The #1 thing holding-up the Super8 project right now is that its members are geographically-distant. It's difficult (and sometimes expensive) to ship things overseas.

That's good to know too. We have a similar situation.

The comment was not a critique. It was just to point out that there are many issues in project management, that are not clear to the public. These details should not be of concern anyways.

Only the final product. Regardless of whom is working on what.

Good luck with your project. Hopefully, people are not constantly asking you when it will be done either.

Team Negative1

Jetrell Fo said:

TV's Frink said:

So -1 is still involved?

I rest my case.

:(

 

What the hell are you on about now?  What case are you resting?

Agreed infinite %.

That's not possible.

team_negative1 said:

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-KQJ7k/i-HkF2LHN

 

You will see that this matches the previously posted screenshots.

That's more like it. The remaining dirt and shakiness does distract a bit, but you can still tell that the colours are great. Seems to me compression IS a factor in comparing stills & video.

Less green, a bit brighter, cleanup/stabilize, and ship it! :)

lurker77 said:

team_negative1 said:

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-KQJ7k/i-HkF2LHN

 

You will see that this matches the previously posted screenshots.

That's more like it. The remaining dirt and shakiness does distract a bit, but you can still tell that the colours are great. Seems to me compression IS a factor in comparing stills & video.

 

Less green, a bit brighter, cleanup/stabilize, and ship it! :)

This is not a very good sample. There is a lot of warping, and errors throughout the entire clip. Did you miss all the dirt and scratches (in green) on the right hand side. This is not stabilized either. This is not even at a beta stage for viewing. Basically it's a color correction test, that is all.

The distraction is quite a lot to us, which is why we wouldn't use this footage, and a lot more that is similar to this. It just doesn't meet our standards.

As you pointed out all of these things, it's not worth the effort to do that for this clip and footage like it. That would be even more time consuming.

All this footage (unless there is no damage on the frame), will be replaced with better frames from the superior prints.

Team Negative1

team_negative1 said:

Basically it's a color correction test, that is all.

For just a test, it's pretty darn good.

Yeah, there's dirt, damage, and instability, but it doesn't seem THAT bad. Compare what you have to "grindhouse" prints, or severe vinegar syndrome.

It doesn't have to look immaculate. Probably no screening outside the first week of release was. Just get it "close enough", and we'll be happy, won't we?

Other people can take it the extra mile later on if they want.

lurker77 said:

team_negative1 said:

Basically it's a color correction test, that is all.

For just a test, it's pretty darn good.

Yeah, there's dirt, damage, and instability, but it doesn't seem THAT bad. Compare what you have to "grindhouse" prints, or severe vinegar syndrome.

It doesn't have to look immaculate. Probably no screening outside the first week of release was. Just get it "close enough", and we'll be happy, won't we?

Other people can take it the extra mile later on if they want.

Based on the philosophy of the team members, and their inclinations. A lot more care and effort will be put into cleaning and restoring this film. Unless we get access to an unfaded print, this is as good as we can do for our estimates.

It will not look immaculate, but it will live up to our standards. There is a rumor of an Italian LPP print out there, but no known confirmation about where it is, or if it existed, or if anyone would have access to it.

We are the people going the extra mile. Why would anyone want a rough cut of a movie of this magnitude? Especially since it's been mistreated after the Laserdisc versions have been released.

Who else is qualified to do this work? Mike Verta has no interest in this project, or The Empire Strikes Back. We're already collaborating with Harmy. Adywan has his take on it. So we ask again, who would have resources or the data to do this.

You might be happy with a version like this. I can gaurentee that the vast majority of people on OT will complain, and nitpick the issues that we've pointed out, and highlighted in these clips. 

Team Negative1

lurker77 said:

For just a test, it's pretty darn good.

Yeah, there's dirt, damage, and instability, but it doesn't seem THAT bad. Compare what you have to "grindhouse" prints, or severe vinegar syndrome.

It doesn't have to look immaculate. Probably no screening outside the first week of release was. Just get it "close enough", and we'll be happy, won't we?

Other people can take it the extra mile later on if they want.

I completely agree. While I know that Negative One are going to want to clear up the film and make it look as good as possible; for me, after viewing a lot of their tests, I would be almost ready just to sit down and watch the entire film just like that.

I am excited about what I have seen from this project.  The care alone that you all are giving it is above and beyond what it's own creator even cared to give it.

What ever your final release path is will be most appreciated and enjoyed by me and I'm sure plenty others here feel the same.

Do what you need to do with the time you need to do it.  I'm thankful that the team keeps updates coming.  It really is a treat.

Thanks

TV's Frink said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV's Frink said:

So -1 is still involved?

I rest my case.

:(

 

What the hell are you on about now?  What case are you resting?

poita said:

Part of the problem here is that a raw scan of a single film is over 20TB, i.e. over $700 worth of HDDs. Not easy to share or distribute.

As for entitlement, nobody *has* to share anything, especially something they may have sunk thousands of hours and thousands of dollars into, but I am glad when people do :)

 

OK
I had a thought.
What if you scaled down the frames so you
could have like 1 TB per real.

I would think that would still be much better than 1080p
Maybe 2 ½ K?
But small enough that you could share it.

Lol, -1's cousin is back.

Another 720p HD clip showing the warping and damage in a section with Darth Vader:

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k1ygMJSrclHbG74Y2hM

Mirror:

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http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-KQJ7k/i-g4VpWqG

Note, that is not a stabilization issue. You need to dewarp the image.

Also, for those that think it is watchable, refer to the previous video. Download or capture that, and do your own cleanup, and stabilization pass, and see how much better it looks then.

We continue to wonder why you would lower your quality standards for the video, when you are so critical of the still images and color? This seems like a double standard. You should be consistent in the quality levels.

We have yet to see cleanup on this scale in any major project, 8mm, 16mm, or elsewhere, which is why we are doing it.

Currently, there is no point in sharing captures or raw data, regardless of how compact it will be, because no one has any initiative to work with the material or tests out there.

Team Negative1

team_negative1 said:

We continue to wonder why you would lower your quality standards for the video, when you are so critical of the still images and color? This seems like a double standard. You should be consistent in the quality levels.

Because even though it's not perfect, it looks much more natural than the official home video releases.

poita said:

red5-626 said:

I would think that would still be much better than 1080p
Maybe 2 ½ K?
But small enough that you could share it.

I'm not sure many people would want much larger than 1080P anyway, as few have displays capable of higher resolution in their loungerooms.

 

Wait a sec - guys, isn't the -1 project being captured at less than 2K anyway? Or did something change?

Ok, as a special holiday treat, here is sneak preview of one our viewings for The Empire Strikes Back.

Sorry for the slightly crooked angle, we'll fix that in the upcoming clips:

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k2Hx6Cu1Pg7Ssp4YkYR

Note, that the colors look off in the intro, ALTA, and crawl. However, afterwards the colors settle down. Also, they look overly brightened due to the capture off camera, the onscreen video has actual blacks, and correct contrast.

The original clip is one of the early 720p HD preview versions.

This is identical to the clips posted previously, and also the source of the screenshots from earlier.

We have improved our capture techniques as mentioned in the 35mm Star Wars thread, with new cameras, and capture equipment.

Team Negative1

I am VERY impressed with this. Keep it up Negative1, you guys are getting better at this. I don't care what quality the sample video is, but it's getting better!