and a general question, I guess the 35mm version is supposed to be the best thing there is atm, I guess until someone somehow comes up with the 70mm version. Is that correct to assume?
edit: or is the 35mm version the real original version and the 70mm cant offer better PQ?
lightsabre said:
and a general question, I guess the 35mm version is supposed to be the best thing there is atm, I guess until someone somehow comes up with the 70mm version. Is that correct to assume?
edit: or is the 35mm version the real original version and the 70mm cant offer better PQ?
70mm films are usually just blow ups from the orginal. The reason to preserve that if we had one is for the soundtrack. They are also cropped differently.
Also finding a non-faded one, is very unlikely.
Also, about the 25G vs 50G versions, yes it would be possible, we'll see what happens when we get to the end point. The distribution of it online gets unwieldy with those sizes though.
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A "first printing" 70mm of Empire would be worthy of preservation because it has some differences (for example, some extra Rebel fleet establishing shots were added for the general 35mm version). The problem is that any original prints would be on the extremely fade-prone pre-LPP 70mm stock. (They would look more like the film cells of Jedi than the ones of Empire - which I theorize to have come from a print struck for a reissue, since they are LESS faded than the Jedi cells, and at least one cell has turned up on eBay showing Luke on the weathervane with the Falcon dish composited in - a change made after the first 70mm run.)
I don't think those 70mm cells were even taken from actual prints - I think I've read somewhere, that they were 70mm blowups of single cells made as collectibles.
My understanding is that an entire print was cut up into individual frames - the Jedi cells are faded, suggesting they were an original 1983 source (which is still odd - all 35mm prints of Jedi were on low-fade stock, did 70mm LPP not come until later?). Both Empire and Jedi have soundtracks, which would be unnecessary if they were struck just for cell purposes (note that the cells for the original film, which have the least fading, DON'T have a mag soundtrack, suggesting that they WERE from a new blowup made strictly for the cells).
Oh, it's possible that it was just for SW then.
I don't mean to belabor the point, but it would seem, theoretically, that a 70mm print would be able to preserve more detail than a 35mm print from the same interpositive. Is this not the case?
team_negative1 said:
Also, about the 25G vs 50G versions, yes it would be possible, we'll see what happens when we get to the end point. The distribution of it online gets unwieldy with those sizes though.
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that wont really be a problem with usenet. and to be honest, how long are you working on this now, several months or years? and then you'd possibly downgrade the quality of which you've been working on so long by the choice of 25G over 50g? that would potentially really be some big waste of time ;)
as said, 50GB wont be a problem for quality movie trackers and usenet. of course, those people who only prefer dvd9 or even dvd5 size never learn. you cant really appreciate the quality of the movie & restauration like that.
Joel said:
I don't mean to belabor the point, but it would seem, theoretically, that a 70mm print would be able to preserve more detail than a 35mm print from the same interpositive. Is this not the case?
Possibly, but they are cropped, and they are very likely to be faded. So you may get more detail, but less picture area and much worse color.
The most useful things that could be gained from a 70mm would be the soundtracks, and the original, slightly different earlier version of Empire.
lightsabre said:
of course, those people who only prefer dvd9 or even dvd5 size never learn. you cant really appreciate the quality of the movie & restauration like that.
That would still be miles better than any other preservation we have at the moment.
Also, not everyone has the means to download a file that huge, or to store a file(s) that huge, or to watch high definition content on their TVs.
But you're right, by the time this is finished and released, things may be very different.
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Personally, I don't have a TV that can do 1080p yet. Mine only does 720p, and I'm fine with that.
I do have computer monitors that go past 2k, so I use those instead for checking out samples.
I also don't have highspeed broadband or constant internet access, and I know of others that are in similar situations.
There should be a variety of release options, but I've noticed in that regardless of the high definition options, there are very few people that prefer the largest file sizes, and formats.
There is a point of diminishing returns.
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I agree with the sentiment it should be available in highest quality. Even though not everyone will be able to enjoy it because of crappy internet connections, its stil a preservation project and as such we need to get some copies of the highest quality into as many hands as possible. (that way the high quality copies can't be "lost" in time)
Of course a lower quality version is also needed for those not blessed with awesome internet connections.
team_negative1 said:
There should be a variety of release options, but I've noticed in that regardless of the high definition options, there are very few people that prefer the largest file sizes, and formats.
There is a point of diminishing returns.
True, but archiving the higher resolutions is necessary, and part of good digital archiving is distribution.
^^if the distribution is too much of a nightmare, I'm sure someone here knows how to do it?
Personally i'm hoping for some sort of BD-50 option.
Recieving this in 30000 or so kbps would be lovely, although a bit impractical I do know.
Well, there will be people (me included) who may want to use this as a source for their own projects and so it is important to have some very high quality release in place - if uploading is a problem, I'm sure you could find someone to send a burned disc to, who would gladly upload it for you - I'd be very happy to do it (I have a 70mbps upload on my connection) but shipping it over-seas may be quite impractical.
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Harmy said:
Well, there will be people (me included) who may want to use this as a source for their own projects and so it is important to have some very high quality release in place - if uploading is a problem, I'm sure you could find someone to send a burned disc to, who would gladly upload it for you - I'd be very happy to do it (I have a 70mbps upload on my connection) but shipping it over-seas may be quite impractical.
digitalfreaknyc said:
Harmy said:
Well, there will be people (me included) who may want to use this as a source for their own projects and so it is important to have some very high quality release in place - if uploading is a problem, I'm sure you could find someone to send a burned disc to, who would gladly upload it for you - I'd be very happy to do it (I have a 70mbps upload on my connection) but shipping it over-seas may be quite impractical.
Me as well. IIRC, you're in Connecticut. I'm in NYC and my family is in CT. I'm happy to pick it up from you in person, to help the cause.
Harmy is, in fact, on a different continent from you.
50G versions? That could fit on a 64GB USB flash drive.
They are quite small and lightweight now. Still a little pricey but it would be the ezast thing to ship.
My files are currently around 16TB per film, so a 50GB file sounds like the smallest thing imaginable at the moment :)
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timdiggerm said:
digitalfreaknyc said:
Harmy said:
Well, there will be people (me included) who may want to use this as a source for their own projects and so it is important to have some very high quality release in place - if uploading is a problem, I'm sure you could find someone to send a burned disc to, who would gladly upload it for you - I'd be very happy to do it (I have a 70mbps upload on my connection) but shipping it over-seas may be quite impractical.
Me as well. IIRC, you're in Connecticut. I'm in NYC and my family is in CT. I'm happy to pick it up from you in person, to help the cause.
Harmy is, in fact, on a different continent from you.
poita said:
My files are currently around 16TB per film, so a 50GB file sounds like the smallest thing imaginable at the moment :)
Can't wait for 4x3TB hard drive version of SW viewable anywhere so long as you have a NAS ;)
digitalfreaknyc said:
timdiggerm said:
digitalfreaknyc said:
Harmy said:
Well, there will be people (me included) who may want to use this as a source for their own projects and so it is important to have some very high quality release in place - if uploading is a problem, I'm sure you could find someone to send a burned disc to, who would gladly upload it for you - I'd be very happy to do it (I have a 70mbps upload on my connection) but shipping it over-seas may be quite impractical.
Me as well. IIRC, you're in Connecticut. I'm in NYC and my family is in CT. I'm happy to pick it up from you in person, to help the cause.
Harmy is, in fact, on a different continent from you.
I wasn't talking about Harmy. I was talking about -1
You're referring to a previous member of the team. I am nowhere near there.
As for higher definition versions of larger sizes, we will make available the final results to people who need them for projects. We'll work out the logistics of those later.
Again, for most viewers, the 25Gig version will be more than enough for general distribution as the 50Gig wouldn't be adding anything worthwhile.
As others have said, you might as well start trading Hard drives after that, and we don't want to go down that road.
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