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Sorry to non sequitur from the crawl convo.
I don’t post on this from nearly enough, so I feel a bit bad that I just checked in at random and was able to watch the SSE tonight! (But not too bad, because it’s phenomenal) You guys have done an incredible job. Thanks so much to T-1, Harmy for his brilliant versions and everyone else who’s contributed to all these projects. After watching the SSE I was pretty satisfied that that was my version of Star Wars in the bag. Then I watched the Technicolor preview. ‘~’ It’s stunning, beautiful sharpness and colour! If you’d told me it was from a 70mm blow up I would have believed it. Super excited to hear you have pretty much the whole film in this wonderful format.
Have a good break! Looking forward to more exciting news in the future! 😃

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hairy_hen said:

Yes, it would be rather silly to use different audio for the '81 crawl in a seamless branching mode. Prints that had the newer crawl spliced on still used the same original Dolby Stereo audio track for the whole movie.

Cool. I wasn’t sure if there was a difference or not, but it made sense to test with a different audio track anyway just to see how it would work.

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Awesome news.

I could get used to seeing the movie without the 81 opening, though. It’s such an insignificant change compared to 97.

towne32 said:

If it has an 81 crawl, it has already physically been replaced and is not Technicolor.

I was not aware.

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PLEASE share how you got it working! What program are you working from? Encore or something else? This was driving us crazy on my Blu-Ray project thread a while back trying to get something to work.

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Tested the image. It does seem to be working!

Though the use of alternate audio tracks has kind of complicated things. Both versions have an audio hiccup at the time of the cut, so it’s hard to tell if it will actually be clean when the appropriate audio is in place.

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towne32 said:

Tested the image. It does seem to be working!

Though the use of alternate audio tracks has kind of complicated things. Both versions have an audio hiccup at the time of the cut, so it’s hard to tell if it will actually be clean when the appropriate audio is in place.

I think that’s because of how I cut the audio : I did it in TS Muxer by setting the cut Start and End points, but when I created the second part I used the audio starting at the next frame instead of the last frame of the previous section (some small # ms difference).

I’m going to test it again soon with different audio and I’ll let you know whether or not that corrects the issue.

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I ran the test again, this time using the X0 Audio for both versions of the crawl and the clip from the main film. This time, something went wrong with my buttons that allow you to select which branch to choose from (they still work, but they appear and disappear) I could fix it, but it’s all just temporary.

In any case, both the audio and the video transitions are now as smooth as silk. (Note: this version of the 81 crawl is missing one frame which I looped to keep it in sync). And again, I know the video and audio quality are not all they should be, this is just a test of the Seamless Branching system…

http://we.tl/Qu9f9XX9mT
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I’d love to have some professional looking menus. If anyone here wants to come up with some nice buttons / menu graphics / motion menus, etc., that would be fantastic. Buttons should come in three states - Active, Selected and Normal and should be PNGs. Ideally we’ll need a main menu, with the branching options - just 77 & 81 - and links to the other menus, which would include: chapter menus, Audio / Subtitle Selection Menus. I doubt there will be any room on the disc for any bonus features, but it wouldn’t hurt to have a menu for some extras just in case we end up going the DL route, or create a 2nd DVD5/9 disc of Bonus Features… Oh, and of course popup menus!

If that sounds like a lot of work, well just imagine how long it will take me to wire it all up…

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I might be able to whip up some simple menus in photoshop if you can’t find anybody else Williarob. Wouldn’t be anything fancy but if all else fails, I’d be willing to help out. I’ve just also got my own project to focus on, so I wouldn’t be able to give it my full attention, which is the only reason I’m not being more gung-ho about volunteering haha. See if anybody else is willing to do it who can give it their full attention and quality, but if not, I’ll give it a shot 😃

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Great news.

Rob, have you tried burning the disc to make sure it works on hardware? I have only tested in powerdvd. If you do, perhaps give it a shot with the full film on the disc. LBA is surely important when it comes to making the branching occur smoothly?

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Re 70mm, I have seen two 70mm Star Wars prints, only one was in projectable shape and both were far too faded to red to be useful for restoration of the image, it is extremely likely that they all are far too faded now.
Plus 70mm is cropped at the sides, so I don’t think it will be a lot of use for the visual restoration.

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poita said:

Re 70mm, I have seen two 70mm Star Wars prints, only one was in projectable shape and both were far too faded to red to be useful for restoration of the image, it is extremely likely that they all are far too faded now.
Plus 70mm is cropped at the sides, so I don’t think it will be a lot of use for the visual restoration.

What about the audiotracks of these 70mm prints? Could they be of any use?

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Yes, at some point hopefully that will get done, but that is another thread for another day 😃

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hairy_hen said:

The 70mm picture quality could potentially be quite nice, though with an aspect ratio of 2.2:1, some image would be missing from the sides.

The soundtrack is quite the most desirable aspect of it, of course. I know there is at least one privately owned 70mm print of the first movie out there, but nobody seems to know who actually owns it. Most likely this person would be unwilling to loan it out for scanning. I’ve never heard anything about whether there are any existing copies of the other two.

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Re 70mm, I have seen two 70mm Star Wars prints, only one was in projectable shape and both were far too faded to red to be useful for restoration of the image, it is extremely likely that they all are far too faded now.
Plus 70mm is cropped at the sides, so I don’t think it will be a lot of use for the visual restoration.

Any 70 prints would be Eastman likely and virtually all from that vintage are typically in tatters or so faded they are unprojectable. Additionally the mag tracks can go if not properly stored.

Imagewise, the only benefits would be the finer grain and what if any visual changes were induced through the blowup–albeit those you could tell through heavy fading. The big draw will be the Dolby 70 baby boom in the six track mag stripe. If it could be found, transferred and turned it would become a most powerful ally. 😉
But of course all this would be much easier if we could access the source and do a straight transfer, much like some 70mm mixes that got direct transfers to LD and DVD. Like the earlier Criterion 2001, any magnetic we might be able to work with would likely have some distortion or damage after all these years.

The IB will be the best image overall and the most filmic/organic feeling. The Eastman/LPP will be what you’d have seen in 1977 and what the movie should look like from the processes of the day on general release.

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towne32 said:

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Why do I keep seeing postings like this?
Who exactly IS this Mark Down fellow?

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poita said:

Re 70mm, I have seen two 70mm Star Wars prints, only one was in projectable shape and both were far too faded to red to be useful for restoration of the image, it is extremely likely that they all are far too faded now.
Plus 70mm is cropped at the sides, so I don’t think it will be a lot of use for the visual restoration.

Even if it’s too red faded, could it not be used for luminance detail?

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Darth Lucas said:

poita said:

Re 70mm, I have seen two 70mm Star Wars prints, only one was in projectable shape and both were far too faded to red to be useful for restoration of the image, it is extremely likely that they all are far too faded now.
Plus 70mm is cropped at the sides, so I don’t think it will be a lot of use for the visual restoration.

Even if it’s too red faded, could it not be used for luminance detail?

It’s cropped on the sides as well.

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Lasz said:

Well, the color and contrast look amazing already!

However, I did notice some quite noticeable light streaking on the far right side of the frame almost throughout the entire sample:

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Is this present on the film or did it get introduced in the scanning process?

These artifacts are not part of the film print and were introduced by the acquisition device, in this case a DSLR camera.

It is called “CMOS SMEARING” and it happens on very bright areas of a CMOS captured image.

Some cameras are better than others but in this case it’s pretty bad unfortunately.

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So I guess the team will have to change cameras then?

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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FrankT said:

So I guess the team will have to change cameras then?

They would have to re-scan everything… Be grateful of their transfer, it’s the best one out there to date.

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Suggesting ways to improve is not being ungrateful.