Team Negative1 - Return of the Jedi 1983 - 35mm Theatrical Version (unfinished project) — Page 10

team_negative1 said:

Not sure what you mean, we are not planning for a Bluray 50g.

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 as in if it's scanned at 4k and the workflow is at 4k I want a massive file in 4K ;)

Sorry. That is not currently in the plan. We don't have a workflow or the equipment to do that. The benefits of doing that would take too long.

Although we will keep the original files for future developments. 

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Harmy should be getting some of the raw files soon. 

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Lapti Nek first. Sarlacc next.

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team_negative1 said:

Lapti Nek first. Sarlacc next.

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 Then... Eyebrows, right? Don't tell me you guys forgot the eyebrows...

Also, this is totally awesome! Does this mean you've just sent out Lapti Nek, or that this is the first on your list?

No to the first part. Yes, to the second.

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Registered to say:

This is bloody brilliant, guys. I guess, negatives for ROTJ are in much better condition in comparison to SW and TESB. Looks insane.

It doesn't hurt that every 35mm release print of ROTJ was on low-fade stock. (The only faded anything I've seen of ROTJ are the 70mm collectible film cell - and I'm still not sure if they came off a faded print, or the print was struck off a faded 70mm internegative.)

For future reference: We will primarily be posting news and updates on reddit.com/r/AMPSdeux/

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TServo2049 said:

It doesn't hurt that every 35mm release print of ROTJ was on low-fade stock. (The only faded anything I've seen of ROTJ are the 70mm collectible film cell - and I'm still not sure if they came off a faded print, or the print was struck off a faded 70mm internegative.)

 Were they really? must have cost a fortune 

Mavimao said:

When he means low fade, he's not talking about the technicolor IB process. He's talking about regular Kodak color filmstock - but with more stable color chemistry that was introduced in the early 80s. 

 yes, but I was under the impression it was more expensive 

Reddit...ugh.

dvdmike said:

Mavimao said:

When he means low fade, he's not talking about the technicolor IB process. He's talking about regular Kodak color filmstock - but with more stable color chemistry that was introduced in the early 80s. 

 yes, but I was under the impression it was more expensive 

No, LPP was not expensive. From what I've seen at revival screenings, on eBay, etc., it seems that the vast majority of positive printing had switched over to LPP and other low-fade stocks by 1983. 1984 at the absolute latest. I saw an original WarGames trailer a while back that had a yellow tint (not sure whether the tint was there from the beginning), but no actual fading.

I've seen an original 70mm of Star Trek II from 1982 that had gone nearly completely red, and an original 70mm of Ghostbusters from 1984 that had its color fully intact.

The switch to low-fade was very quick; every print of Jedi that has surfaced in the wild has retained its color. The only footage of Jedi I have seen that was faded were those film cells, and compositing tests that a former ILM employee was selling on eBay (printed on 1982 Kodak 65mm stock).

Huh, learn something new everyday 

We are getting some more clips ready for Harmy. Most likely the Sarlacc pit scenes.

We are considering some previews.

Details will be coming to AMPSdeux.

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No estimated date for ROTJ, although the prints are completely watchable now with some minor cleanup.

We have sent:

1) Sarlacc pit scene.

2) Yub Nub ending scene with credits.

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We are still working on more scenes for Harmy, but he has been busy and we have been also.

What we've seen from him looks very good so far.

We might post some short previews at AMPSdeux. Check there for details.

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As numerous others have mentioned, I'm keenly interested in seeing the results of your efforts, for RoTJ as well as SW and ESB.

In the pedant vein, I'd be interested in an MKV container w/ a high bitrate, H265 encoded video of the highest resolution version after color correction, stabilization, dirt/scratch removal, etc., or whatever the highest resolution you could fit within 50 GB or so. 

I looked around but couldn't find the answers to these questions. Feel free to point me in a direction if they're answered elsewhere.

I was curious about the tech behind your efforts. What is your workflow for this project (HW & SW)? Are you using the setup shown in Harmy's SW: DE v2.5 video sources documentary? 

I assume you're capturing raw digital images of each frame. What software/tools are you using for stabilization, color correction, scratch/dirt removal, etc.? 

Have you found that the color shift is consistent throughout the reels or does it require custom correction in different places? What source(s) are you using to determine the original colors? I ask because of the varying color quality in the stills you've put up. Some have significant shifting while others don't appear as different from the original. 

Even the lower resolution images you've shared show great promise. Here is a really quick & edit I did on Vader's cropped head trying to remove the blue shift and get it back to a natural look (without really using anything for comparison). I'm guessing the artifacts are from TIFF>JPG conversion before you shared it(?).

Thanks again for sharing the progress and for taking the time to tackle this!

Danfun128 said:

h.265? Why not VP9?

Honestly, I think either would be fine. However, from what little I've seen, H.265 has slightly better image quality than VP9, currently (VP9 may have some advantages for streaming?). By the time this is ready, though, Daala or VP10 (or whatever it's called should they merge) may have moved ahead. 

I'm seriously hoping they're at least using a better camera with more dynamic range than the one in the picture. That one looks ancient.