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Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )

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#standagainst https://www.deviantart.com/screamsinthevoid/art/Stand-Against-748884934?ga_submit_new=10%3A1528516751 " Being a toxic fan is when you’re insulting and berating and harassing the people making the movies or the people that like them." Folks , these are the exact people I speak to in making this topic , Kelly Marie Tran , Ahmed Best ,Jake Lloyd, Daisy Ridley, etc. . I understand that some people genuinely do not like the direction of the new films,or the decisions of those making them , and have some ligitimate criticisms,but this is not the place to heir those concerns , you probably SHOULD start your own topic to express your views and if you are of a mind to take a stand and stick up for the aforementioned people making the movies and the people that like them that ARE being harrassed, then this is the place for it .

https://screamsinthevoid.deviantart.com/

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Too right, screams in the void

(and love the artwork as well)
 

J0E said:

Racism is bad, mmmkay?

J0E - are you the lad that used a character’s ethnicity and size to try and denigrate them in one of the TLJ threads last year? And referred to another character as being a lesbian as you couldn’t be bothered to learn her name too? As the film didn’t make you care enough to learn them? - Though seemingly did make you care enough for you to criticize the characters in such a derogatory manner?

If so, I’m glad you’ve learnt that racism is bad. Good for you.

 


Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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These people deserve to be called out as the abhorrent jerks they are. Seriously, this is a series of fictional films! People are sending death threats and behaving like absolute nobs just because someone made a star war they didn’t like, or wrote a story they felt was boring, or were a bit confused by all the long words they used.

It’s time these “fans” chilled the **** out and realised their sense of entitlement doesn’t give them the right to troll and abuse people whose only “crime” was to try to make something others would enjoy. It sickens me to see Daisy Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran forced to close down their Instagram accounts because idiots think it’s their right to post hateful dribble at them when they post a photo, just because they were in Star Wars.

Meanwhile shows like RFR and Geeks and Gamers pander their self important drivel to these dregs of the community in a wholly transparent attempt to get more subscriptions and likes. Seriously, remember what this harassment has done to Jake Lloyd?

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https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1005493534110068736

‘Now that Kelly Marie has quit social-media, I really hope she somehow gets the chance to see the outpouring of love & affection for her in the #FanArtforRose - Adoring Fans! Amazing Artwork! - https://www.themarysue.com/star-wars-fan-art-for-rose/


Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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oojason said:

J0E said:

Racism is bad, mmmkay?

J0E - are you the lad that used a character’s ethnicity and size to try and denigrate them in one of the TLJ threads last year? And referred to another character as being a lesbian as you couldn’t be bothered to learn her name too? As the film didn’t make you care enough to learn them? - Though seemingly did make you care enough for you to criticize the characters in such a derogatory manner?

Yes.

Episode I: The Ridiculous Menace / Episode II: Attack Of The Ridiculousness / Episode III: Revenge of the Ridiculousness

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Kelly Marie Tran has nothing to do with the problems of the movie. No one should be personally harassed for their professional work. Geez, this just makes me sad.

“After a time, you may find that having, is not so pleasing a thing after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.” - Spock

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Who came out with the claim that she was harassed? I can’t find her statement on it anywhere, only articles based on speculations. But if it’s true, I fully agree - I think TLJ is the worst Star Wars movie (yes, I think the prequels are better), but I would NEVER EVER go and attack (physically or verbally) anybody involved with the production, that’s just really, really dumb. What happened to the good old “vote with your wallet” thing? AKA “if you don’t like it, don’t buy it”? That’s the only reasonable approach in my not so humble opinion, going after somebody makes you look like a lunatic

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pittrek said:

Who came out with the claim that she was harassed? I can’t find her statement on it anywhere, only articles based on speculations. But if it’s true, I fully agree - I think TLJ is the worst Star Wars movie (yes, I think the prequels are better), but I would NEVER EVER go and attack (physically or verbally) anybody involved with the production, that’s just really, really dumb. What happened to the good old “vote with your wallet” thing? AKA “if you don’t like it, don’t buy it”? That’s the only reasonable approach in my not so humble opinion, going after somebody makes you look like a lunatic

https://makingstarwars.net/2018/06/give-us-legends-group-takes-credit-for-kelly-marie-tran-leaving-social-media/

Yub Nub for life

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^ thank you HerekittykittyX.

Please stop coming back - it’s now your 6th sock here?

It’s time to move on mate - learn from your mistakes on here - and find a new place to chat Star Wars.

Good luck with it.


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Given MSW’s history with Dave Prowse and John Williams, I find it ironic they’re taking a stand on this.

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pittrek said:

Who came out with the claim that she was harassed? I can’t find her statement on it anywhere, only articles based on speculations. But if it’s true, I fully agree - I think TLJ is the worst Star Wars movie (yes, I think the prequels are better), but I would NEVER EVER go and attack (physically or verbally) anybody involved with the production, that’s just really, really dumb. What happened to the good old “vote with your wallet” thing? AKA “if you don’t like it, don’t buy it”? That’s the only reasonable approach in my not so humble opinion, going after somebody makes you look like a lunatic

pittrek said:

A few questions after I could think about the movie for a few hours

  • why are all white men in this movie crazy or evil or crazy AND evil?
  • why are crazy women in charge of the military? Don’t they have somebody like Mon Mothma? If they want to have a female military leader, why not somebody who knows what she’s doing?
  • where are all the attractive women?
  • why are capitalists portrayed as the true criminals?
  • why did they suggest that Rey’s parents were important in the last movie but made to be some random nobodies in this one?
  • who are the First Order? What power do they have? How did they get the power? Who is financing them? I asked the same question 2 years ago, I still don’t understand who’s who
  • who was Snoke? How did he get to power? Why did he have force powers? How did he know all about the Jedi, the Sith and the Skywalkers?
  • why was that dumb Asian woman or girl (can’t really tell her age, I thought it’s a little boy until she started speaking) in the movie? Why was she so stupid? Was she supposed to be a comic relief character? Why did she prohibit Finn from having a heroic death? Were they supposed to have a romantic relationship? Why didn’t they show it?
  • why did Finn and that dumb Asian woman go on a 30 minutes long side mission which lead nowhere and was a complete waste of time?
  • why did Finn fight that glossy armor woman? Was it the same glossy armor woman as in the previous movie? What was the point of this and basically 99% of Finn’s scenes?
  • Why is Leia now Superman?
  • Why didn’t Luke go personally to confront Darth Vader Junior?
  • Why did Luke die? Especially in such a stupid and confusing way?
  • Why was Yoda in this movie? Why is he acting as his stupid self from the beginning of Empire, where he PRETENDED he is stupid to test Luke? Why does he have the power to call lighting? Why did he prevent Luke from burning down the thing by burning down the thing himself?

Seriously, the whole movie was a giant WTF. Everything felt so forced and pointless. At least it looked beautiful.

the ‘dumb Asian woman’ whom you refer to has had enough of stuff like that I suppose?


Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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oojason said:

pittrek said:

Who came out with the claim that she was harassed? I can’t find her statement on it anywhere, only articles based on speculations. But if it’s true, I fully agree - I think TLJ is the worst Star Wars movie (yes, I think the prequels are better), but I would NEVER EVER go and attack (physically or verbally) anybody involved with the production, that’s just really, really dumb. What happened to the good old “vote with your wallet” thing? AKA “if you don’t like it, don’t buy it”? That’s the only reasonable approach in my not so humble opinion, going after somebody makes you look like a lunatic

pittrek said:

A few questions after I could think about the movie for a few hours

  • why are all white men in this movie crazy or evil or crazy AND evil?
  • why are crazy women in charge of the military? Don’t they have somebody like Mon Mothma? If they want to have a female military leader, why not somebody who knows what she’s doing?
  • where are all the attractive women?
  • why are capitalists portrayed as the true criminals?
  • why did they suggest that Rey’s parents were important in the last movie but made to be some random nobodies in this one?
  • who are the First Order? What power do they have? How did they get the power? Who is financing them? I asked the same question 2 years ago, I still don’t understand who’s who
  • who was Snoke? How did he get to power? Why did he have force powers? How did he know all about the Jedi, the Sith and the Skywalkers?
  • why was that dumb Asian woman or girl (can’t really tell her age, I thought it’s a little boy until she started speaking) in the movie? Why was she so stupid? Was she supposed to be a comic relief character? Why did she prohibit Finn from having a heroic death? Were they supposed to have a romantic relationship? Why didn’t they show it?
  • why did Finn and that dumb Asian woman go on a 30 minutes long side mission which lead nowhere and was a complete waste of time?
  • why did Finn fight that glossy armor woman? Was it the same glossy armor woman as in the previous movie? What was the point of this and basically 99% of Finn’s scenes?
  • Why is Leia now Superman?
  • Why didn’t Luke go personally to confront Darth Vader Junior?
  • Why did Luke die? Especially in such a stupid and confusing way?
  • Why was Yoda in this movie? Why is he acting as his stupid self from the beginning of Empire, where he PRETENDED he is stupid to test Luke? Why does he have the power to call lighting? Why did he prevent Luke from burning down the thing by burning down the thing himself?

Seriously, the whole movie was a giant WTF. Everything felt so forced and pointless. At least it looked beautiful.

the ‘dumb Asian woman’ whom you refer to has had enough of stuff like that I suppose?

The “dumb Asian woman” comment was pretty rude from me, I agree, but it was about the character, NOT about the actress. That’s what I’m talking about, there is a pretty big difference between being angry at a movie and “going after” people involved with its production, whether it’s the actors or somebody working behind the camera.

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oojason said:

pittrek said:

A few questions after I could think about the movie for a few hours

  • why are all white men in this movie crazy or evil or crazy AND evil?
  • why are crazy women in charge of the military? Don’t they have somebody like Mon Mothma? If they want to have a female military leader, why not somebody who knows what she’s doing?
  • where are all the attractive women?
  • why are capitalists portrayed as the true criminals?
  • why did they suggest that Rey’s parents were important in the last movie but made to be some random nobodies in this one?
  • who are the First Order? What power do they have? How did they get the power? Who is financing them? I asked the same question 2 years ago, I still don’t understand who’s who
  • who was Snoke? How did he get to power? Why did he have force powers? How did he know all about the Jedi, the Sith and the Skywalkers?
  • why was that dumb Asian woman or girl (can’t really tell her age, I thought it’s a little boy until she started speaking) in the movie? Why was she so stupid? Was she supposed to be a comic relief character? Why did she prohibit Finn from having a heroic death? Were they supposed to have a romantic relationship? Why didn’t they show it?
  • why did Finn and that dumb Asian woman go on a 30 minutes long side mission which lead nowhere and was a complete waste of time?
  • why did Finn fight that glossy armor woman? Was it the same glossy armor woman as in the previous movie? What was the point of this and basically 99% of Finn’s scenes?
  • Why is Leia now Superman?
  • Why didn’t Luke go personally to confront Darth Vader Junior?
  • Why did Luke die? Especially in such a stupid and confusing way?
  • Why was Yoda in this movie? Why is he acting as his stupid self from the beginning of Empire, where he PRETENDED he is stupid to test Luke? Why does he have the power to call lighting? Why did he prevent Luke from burning down the thing by burning down the thing himself?

Seriously, the whole movie was a giant WTF. Everything felt so forced and pointless. At least it looked beautiful.

I know this is not the point of this thread, but wow, that is an absurd list of ignorant questions with pretty obvious answers. I understand people not enjoying this film, but I’m hearing a lot from people who think up all sorts of petty bullshit to take it down.

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Chewielewis said:

oojason said:

pittrek said:

A few questions after I could think about the movie for a few hours

  • why are all white men in this movie crazy or evil or crazy AND evil?
  • why are crazy women in charge of the military? Don’t they have somebody like Mon Mothma? If they want to have a female military leader, why not somebody who knows what she’s doing?
  • where are all the attractive women?
  • why are capitalists portrayed as the true criminals?
  • why did they suggest that Rey’s parents were important in the last movie but made to be some random nobodies in this one?
  • who are the First Order? What power do they have? How did they get the power? Who is financing them? I asked the same question 2 years ago, I still don’t understand who’s who
  • who was Snoke? How did he get to power? Why did he have force powers? How did he know all about the Jedi, the Sith and the Skywalkers?
  • why was that dumb Asian woman or girl (can’t really tell her age, I thought it’s a little boy until she started speaking) in the movie? Why was she so stupid? Was she supposed to be a comic relief character? Why did she prohibit Finn from having a heroic death? Were they supposed to have a romantic relationship? Why didn’t they show it?
  • why did Finn and that dumb Asian woman go on a 30 minutes long side mission which lead nowhere and was a complete waste of time?
  • why did Finn fight that glossy armor woman? Was it the same glossy armor woman as in the previous movie? What was the point of this and basically 99% of Finn’s scenes?
  • Why is Leia now Superman?
  • Why didn’t Luke go personally to confront Darth Vader Junior?
  • Why did Luke die? Especially in such a stupid and confusing way?
  • Why was Yoda in this movie? Why is he acting as his stupid self from the beginning of Empire, where he PRETENDED he is stupid to test Luke? Why does he have the power to call lighting? Why did he prevent Luke from burning down the thing by burning down the thing himself?

Seriously, the whole movie was a giant WTF. Everything felt so forced and pointless. At least it looked beautiful.

I know this is not the point of this thread, but wow, that is an absurd list of ignorant questions with pretty obvious answers. I understand people not enjoying this film, but I’m hearing a lot from people who think up all sorts of petty bullshit to take it down.

+1

Not enough people read the EU.

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pittrek said:

The “dumb Asian woman” comment was pretty rude from me, I agree, but it was about the character, NOT about the actress.

I suspect that your inability to see the problem is the reason you are part of it.

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Sad to hear this…

‘Star Wars: Jar Jar Binks actor Ahmed Best considered suicide’…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44708983

&

‘Jar Jar Binks actor ‘considered suicide’ after Star Wars prequel backlash’…

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jul/04/jar-jar-binks-actor-considered-suicide-after-star-wars-phantom-menace
 

All the best to him writing his show - and great to see the support, good wishes and love he’s getting on twitter too.

https://twitter.com/ahmedbest

 


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I think the character of Jar Jar was largely redeemed in The Clone Wars animated series that started in 2008 .As a mythological character , he fits the archetype of the fool , and that is not meant to be derogatory ,The archetype is that of one with good intentions , stumbling into the world , a Jester. Ahmed played him well and did not deserve this treatment by some toxic fans.

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All the toxic talk around the new films has just made me not interested in wanting to follow any of it anymore.

I think Frink misunderstood my points and attacked me a bit about it. But I really hate all this political agenda group shite and it unfortunately should be lumbered in with the likes of “Fake News” and be restricted from saturating social media but I quit social media also because it’s Fake and unsociable and has created phone zombies.

But I agree with Frink even though I think he mis-understood me… 😉