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If you watch it in motion the window glare is a clear difference - the main difference in fact that you'll notice. And as for the "shadow" I think the z-vcd speaks for itself:

There are some minor differences in frame count between it and the LD (speaking generally), as I've previously indicated I'll be syncing to the LD.

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Any news?

Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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TPM Jabba has always bothered me. Why is he so grey? :D I know LD and DVD had the weird pink tint. Blu-Ray kinda fixed it but made Jabba look even worse :P He's obviously green in ROTJ and the animators know that. I don't believe he was aways like that in TPM. I found one picture (probably some kind of promo pic) from Google. Here he's clearly more green than grey: 

I would assume he looked more like this in theaters (I can't really remember). What do you guys think?

What about the audio? Are you going to use the cinema DTS or something else?

Keep up the good work!

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RU.08 said:

Oh, then I'm most interested in seeing it. Can you put it on Myspleen?

I will try to get it up this week for you. 

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Cheers Jetrell.

@nightstalkerpoet - yes really close now. I'll do a test encode soonish, and then readjust a few things like the vertical subtitle placement and all the upscaled stuff.

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I don't think they intended to add the bridge, I think it was a result of re-rendering the scene from the wrong computer file. These screenshots are from the bluray:

http://i.imgur.com/wzu0AmM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rHUZiDV.jpg

Laserdisc:

http://i.imgur.com/euMihnT.jpg

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RU.08 said:

I don't think they intended to add the bridge, I think it was a result of re-rendering the scene from the wrong computer file. These screenshots are from the bluray:

http://i.imgur.com/wzu0AmM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rHUZiDV.jpg

Laserdisc:

http://i.imgur.com/euMihnT.jpg

 I don't think so. Jorge just didn't pay attention. He wanted to add the bridge but didn't realize it should be added to that other shot aswell. There are numerous horribly executed changes in the OT. For example in ROTJ during "Jedi Rocks" you can still see the original Sy Snootles puppet in the earlier scene. In ANH in the "dead end" scene they forgot to change the reflection of the ground that still showed the wall even though there was now this huge hall full of Stormtroopers.

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Well, I was going to do a test encode but it turn out my file is too complicated and crashes the encoder!

So, in the meantime while I sulk about that, here's another pic from the BD. And no I'm not using a single frame of the BD in my project, but I'm just carrying on about the absurdity or inconsistency or whatever you want to call it - Lucas' Gawt-Dang Shenanigans perhaps - of Naboo's never-the-same capital city architecture.

http://i.imgur.com/axw9jXu.jpg

Okay, so this huge hanger is supposedly positioned out the back of those dome shaped buildings, somewhere. See if you can figure it out.

http://i.imgur.com/wzu0AmM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rHUZiDV.jpg

Nope? Well it's not the main building because it looks different to that dome, and plus they walk away from it to get to the hanger. It's also none of the buildings to the right (the bridge-side) since we're given a pretty good view from the side. But wait, it can't be a dome to the left either because if it was we'd see the other right-hand side domes to the left of the picture - but we don't! So where is it located? Give up? I'll show you where it is:

http://i.imgur.com/ZwQf9Iv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/puX72x4.jpg

If you squint really hard you can just make it out:

http://i.imgur.com/MOmFhZ3.jpg

Wouldn't you know it, George forgot to show us the front of the building! It's somewhere there just of camera-view.

But I was thinking, perhaps a long time ago their building projects were simply much more efficient than they are today - it's not unreasonable to expect the Nabooians to build a bridge between when we see the city at the start of the film, and when we see it again towards the end of the film.

But, it turns out it wasn't a very useful bridge because:

http://i.imgur.com/bQx5nRO.jpg

By ROTJ (20-something years later) they decided to get rid of it entirely! And not just the bridge, but the building attached to it, and that spear-shaped building too. And in their place they grew more trees. Not to worry though, half the other buildings have changed as well. Seems the capital went under quite a bit of redevelopment over just 20 years! It's not as strange as those truly funky shadows happening to them roof-top gungans though!!

At least they have shadows unlike the guys standing on the far right here:

http://i.imgur.com/AO535HL.jpg

Which also brings into question - where did all the street lights go? You know the ones that were there just two shots ago:

http://i.imgur.com/rRo1JEm.jpg

If you look closely you'll notice they are there in the other shot, however they've mysteriously moved from in front of the celebrating Nabooians to inside them... it's very bizzare. Of course the ones on the near-side of the street are missing entirely in that shot - as are the giant violet and blue banners.

Plus where did all them trees go? You know the ones you saw from the Queen's view:

http://i.imgur.com/QEe5pyD.jpg

What a shame I just can't understand the brilliant artistic vision here. Then again, let's have another look. Here it is just after the Queen's window-pane shot:

http://i.imgur.com/67gdjwW.jpg

And clearly some of the trees already went missing! Some of the street lights were missing too, and the ones that were there didn't cast shadows for some reason. At least they're not casting their shadows the wrong way though like everything else in that shot! You can quite easily identify the near buildings from the Queen's view with the ones above on the left and the right there, they haven't moved, just the damn trees and streetlights! Perhaps George meant to have CGI storm-troopers riding on walking trees or something?

However, there's quite an amazing thing since as well as building the bridge, they also managed to build a new arch by the end of the film:

http://i.imgur.com/AO535HL.jpg

Yeah yeah I know you can already see it earlier in the film from the Queen's window-panes - but it disappeared when she went outside. It was nowhere to be seen.

I'm pretty sure they had no, uh, fire-trucking clue which file they were supposed to be rendering Naboo from!! It was a flipping lucky-dip each time!!

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Skippy The Jedi Droid said:

TPM Jabba has always bothered me. Why is he so grey? :D I know LD and DVD had the weird pink tint. Blu-Ray kinda fixed it but made Jabba look even worse :P He's obviously green in ROTJ and the animators know that. I don't believe he was aways like that in TPM. I found one picture (probably some kind of promo pic) from Google [...]

For the record, that's how he looks in the videogame: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGp1R6qJDhk&feature=youtu.be&t=924

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[...] I'm pretty sure they had no, uh, fire-trucking clue which file they were supposed to be rendering Naboo from!! It was a flipping lucky-dip each time!!

Yeah, I remeber the staff saying in ROTS's commetaries that it was hard to re-open the old models' files because they had become obsolete.

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Here's a quick compare of a shot that was changed slightly for the bluray. More endless tinkering from Lucas.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/133266

I like how brightness and sharpening make the CGI look better than in the blu-ray :D

The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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clutchins said:

I know I touched on this earlier but I'm still on the fence as far as the extended frame from the Blu-ray goes.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110924131658/http://www.starwars.com/news/saga_bluray_restoration.html

 It would be great if RU.08 would somehow be able to put back the 8% of the picture that was missing from every release before Blu-Ray. It's going to be really hard though. 

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I wouldn't pay that page too much attention. They're not particularly forthcoming as to the real reason the Ep IV light-sabres came out the wrong colour, and you can compare the cropping directly to the Z-VCD which shows the top and bottom of a cinema projected image throughout. While it's not identical to the DVD version, it's certainly not like the bluray with the full extra 8%.

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Have you compared the cropping on the scope trailer(s)?

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No I haven't. Just an update, this coming week I will have the time to work out how to get my script to encode without running out of memory. The major problem is that there are too many different clips that get loaded all into one Avisynth file, therefore I'm pretty sure the problem will be solved by delineating the iterations into separate files - there are a couple of issues though, for one the DVD-upscale part of the script was never intended to be done in this way, so I need to rewrite it so that it only returns the required frames and then rewrite the other part of the script so instead of seeking out the required frames it trims from the returned file.

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Wow. I just noticed your preview clip on the front page and those upscaled shots of the Watto et al. in the stands in the 31 second clip are phenomenal. You should be very proud of yourself, Valeyard. That is seamless viewing between the two sources right there. Good work.

EDIT: Also I just noticed after writing this post that you've got a small typo or two in one paragraph.

"The release will be a 1080p x246 MKV file, encoded to conform with BD comparability."

she/her
mwah

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RU.08 said:

you can compare the cropping directly to the Z-VCD which shows the top and bottom of a cinema projected image throughout.

 You are aware of how variable cinema cropping is, right?

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Since I raised the question, I thought I'd best attempt to answer it! Here's the 35mm trailer scan vs. the Blu-ray and PAL DVD:

 photo SWTPM comparison.jpg

I should stress that this isn't an identical frame - the shot as used in the trailer is cut at completely different positions, so there's no overlap - but I estimate there's about a 5-6 frame difference here.

The DVD, as expected, is the most conservative of the three, while the Blu has the most picture area in general and the film scan sits somewhere inbetween. I presume the folks who scanned the film* captured every possible shred of picture information; perhaps more than would have realistically been projected. So the previous assertion of a-bit-more-than-the-DVD seems pretty much on the money...

*Since the trailer came from the other site they might wish to keep a low profile here, but I'll certainly credit them if they like!

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*Since the trailer came from the other site they might wish to keep a low profile here, but I'll certainly credit them if they like!

You may most certainly give open credit for it.  The TPM trailer was donated by me for scanning by a kind soul and then uploaded freely for anyone to have.

:)

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And it's a great piece of work - thanks JF :)

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Jonno said:

Since I raised the question, I thought I'd best attempt to answer it! Here's the 35mm trailer scan vs. the Blu-ray and PAL DVD:

 photo SWTPM comparison.jpg

I should stress that this isn't an identical frame - the shot as used in the trailer is cut at completely different positions, so there's no overlap - but I estimate there's about a 5-6 frame difference here.

The DVD, as expected, is the most conservative of the three, while the Blu has the most picture area in general and the film scan sits somewhere inbetween. I presume the folks who scanned the film* captured every possible shred of picture information; perhaps more than would have realistically been projected. So the previous assertion of a-bit-more-than-the-DVD seems pretty much on the money...

*Since the trailer came from the other site they might wish to keep a low profile here, but I'll certainly credit them if they like!

 Give me a hint where I could get that 35mm scan.

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A hint? Um, rhymes with 'pan fez'.

(Spoiler: it's Fanres)

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I like that the trailer isn't zoomed.  Hopefully the film print is the same ... which would be great if and when a preservation happens.

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This might already have come up (albeit seemingly not in this thread), but the theatrical edit of the pod race sequence is included as an extra in the digital release of TPM.

No idea what resolution it's in, though.

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I believe all the deleted/modified scenes are 480p. Folks like Hal9000 had their fingers crossed that there might be something more in the digital release, but it seems not.