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THX 1138 "preservations" + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released) — Page 87

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SilverWook said:

 When has bad child acting ever made George cut a scene? ;)

I believe the scene humanizes SEN a bit more than George may have wanted. Without it, SEN is more of a selfish person who wants THX for his new roommate, (his old roomate's death might even be a tad suspicious) and has the computer skills to get what he wants.

Either version suggests this society pretty much raises kids via machines, and adults don't interact with them much.

I was under the assumption that SEN was trying to press THX into bunking up partially using the fact that his roommate died due to THX's negligence/error. I figured he was that pile of waste being carted out of the disaster area on the monitor. 

I have yet to actually watch the bluray version of the long SEN/THX conversation about roommates. It looks to be quite different.

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There's better fan editors here, I just was considering reconstructing the 1971 cut in color (as far as possible) from the resources we have.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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towne32 said:

SilverWook said:

 When has bad child acting ever made George cut a scene? ;)

I believe the scene humanizes SEN a bit more than George may have wanted. Without it, SEN is more of a selfish person who wants THX for his new roommate, (his old roomate's death might even be a tad suspicious) and has the computer skills to get what he wants.

Either version suggests this society pretty much raises kids via machines, and adults don't interact with them much.

I was under the assumption that SEN was trying to press THX into bunking up partially using the fact that his roommate died due to THX's negligence/error. I figured he was that pile of waste being carted out of the disaster area on the monitor. 

I have yet to actually watch the bluray version of the long SEN/THX conversation about roommates. It looks to be quite different.

 Interesting idea, but I don't think that was the area THX worked in. Isn't there a voiceover telling the workers how they are ahead of the other sector in having less fatalities?

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Molly said:

There's better fan editors here, I just was considering reconstructing the 1971 cut in color (as far as possible) from the resources we have.

 Mine is on the spleen if you'd like to take a look, but I'm sure you're capable of better!

edit: speaking of not being a great faneditor, I've made a little attempt of patching over the missing video. Turns out there's not as much material to work with as I'd hoped for. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2svm9s

Version with 16mm used: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k4cpwXc8rzChE9boeTa

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Jetrell Fo said:

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And I don't think its strange to also try to learn more about the mysterious history of the film. It's real, of course! And from 1971! But some accounts suggest there may or may not have been yet other versions.

This I totally get. 

Maybe it's me but it seems there are some folks who aren't happy with any answer given, even though it's not the fault of the folks providing what info there is, but more a problem with the history of the myth/urban legend of this film and it's journey.

Who exactly are these folks that aren't happy? Speaking for myself, SilverWook and Poita and whoever scanned this print are fucking heroes. Don't confuse all this version differences debacle with ungratefulness. I have great respect for Poita's knowledge in this matter and I fully trust him on this and I'm sure other do as well, but that doesn't mean we should all stop discussing the false information and revisionism surrounding this film just because this print is now scanned. This is major stuff in my mind that some of us have been discussing in this thread since around 2010. I'm not here to get my tongue brown, I'm genuinely interested in the history of this film.

Besides, I believe most of us who are posting in this thread helped Poita and the dirty silver haired wookiee getting this print, I know I did, albeit in a very small amount. You are wrong if you believe it's a one man show. I thanked everyone many pages back before the scan was done, and I thank everyone again. I think this is awesome, but we're not completely there yet. I will also take the opportunity and thank Antcufaalb for his job on this and his upload, not an easy undertaking.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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What? I'm a dirty Wookiee now? I bathe quite often, I assure you! ;)

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I don't really care much about how the scenes are ordered, as long as there aren't the CGI enhancements. Just give us the original untouched stuff and I'm good. :)

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SilverWook said:

What? I'm a dirty Wookiee now? I bathe quite often, I assure you! ;)

Ha, ha, wanted to see if you were awake. ;) Btw, our friend Coily is absent in this print.

 

Just a reminder, from AntcuFaalb's description:

*dropped the chroma because of the red fade (this is for analysis, folks!)

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Coily will always live on in our hearts. Twisted little bastard!

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All these great prints are hard to find, Myspleen doesn't seem to be open for registration. Could anyone give me an invite to it so I can download and seed it to my friends? They will probably have to register as well, it's up to them though, one wants to get involved with Star Wars prints.

Private trackers are definitely a life saver, breaks my heart when a nice transfer dies on TPB or whatnot.

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I am not sure if this has been addressed before but will this preservation include a clip from "Things to Come" (1936)? I know this clip has been mentioned in regards to its replacement of the Buck Rogers segment, but I can't recall if any efforts were made to get a clip and include it.

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The 1971 print we have has the Buck Rodgers clip in it...

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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Molly said:

The 1971 print we have has the Buck Rodgers clip in it...

I understand that, I am talking about the original theatrical release which supposedly had a 1-minute clip from "Things to Come" (1936) before the opening credits; instead of the Buck Rogers segment we currently have.

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THX11384EB said:

Molly said:

The 1971 print we have has the Buck Rodgers clip in it...

I understand that, I am talking about the original theatrical release which supposedly had a 1-minute clip from "Things to Come" (1936) before the opening credits; instead of the Buck Rogers segment we currently have.

 Thing is, we're not sure that's even true. This print has been confirmed to be an authentic 1971 print and while there are differences from the later post Star Wars re-release, there aren't that many. 

We're all wondering if the stories surrounding the "meddling of the studios" hasn't been exaggerated to some degree. 

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Yeah, I am curious where this information regarding the Things to Come originated from. For example, TCM's site states:

"In the original release the movie includes a one minute clip from "Things to Come" (1936) before the opening creadits. When re-released in the 1990's this clip was replaced by a clip form "Buck Rogers" (1940)."

This is clearly wrong because the Buck Rogers clip existed before the 90s, so I am wondering if this was just a rumor that some person started or if it came from an actual reputable source.

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THX11384EB said:

This is clearly wrong because the Buck Rogers clip existed before the 90s, so I am wondering if this was just a rumor that some person started or if it came from an actual reputable source.

 Yep, there are probably a few pages of speculation in this thread if you read back a bit. 

At this point it is certainly not verified that it was ever anything but Buck Rogers.

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THX11384EB said:

Molly said:

The 1971 print we have has the Buck Rodgers clip in it...

I understand that, I am talking about the original theatrical release which supposedly had a 1-minute clip from "Things to Come" (1936) before the opening credits; instead of the Buck Rogers segment we currently have.

As I said the print we have is from 1971 and would therefore reflect the original theatrical release...and it has the Buck Rodgers clip.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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Molly said:

THX11384EB said:

Molly said:

The 1971 print we have has the Buck Rodgers clip in it...

I understand that, I am talking about the original theatrical release which supposedly had a 1-minute clip from "Things to Come" (1936) before the opening credits; instead of the Buck Rogers segment we currently have.

As I said the print we have is from 1971 and would therefore reflect the original theatrical release...and it has the Buck Rodgers clip.

Right, and like I said I understand that. Maybe I should have been as specific as possible... I was asking if this preservation would include the clip as a bonus feature not as a replacement for the Buck Rogers segment. But I guess confirming whether it actually existed in any version would be the more important inquiry/task. Unfortunately neither Lucas or Murch have a Twitter, so asking them is out of the question; although Murch does have a fanmail address.

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There is a clip of Things to Come in the documentary SPFX:The Empire Strikes Back, helping to show the history of visual effects before Star Wars.

This same factoid about Things to Come being used originally turns up on the IMDB, so it's may be a case of someone at TCM copying the same info of dubious origin.

Buck Rogers makes more sense, as it's set in the same century THX is set in. And we know George grew up on those serials.

And my full frame print has it too.

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It's hard to imagine why the studio would have replaced one anachronistic movie clip with another, unless rights issues were involved at the time.

If Warner execs didn't appreciate Lucas' (utterly beautiful) irony, they would have simply cut the sequence altogether.

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Jonno said:

It's hard to imagine why the studio would have replaced one anachronistic movie clip with another, unless rights issues were involved at the time.

If Warner execs didn't appreciate Lucas' (utterly beautiful) irony, they would have simply cut the sequence altogether.

Good points. However, Things to Come was public domain when THX 1138 was in production, so I don't think it was copyright issues; it could have simply been a creative decision to go with something more inline with the THX's theme, whereas Things to Come weighs heavily on war.

Buck Rogers does a better job contrasting our outlook of the future as an adventurous journey with THX's bleak dystopian world, e.g. "... in the wonderful world of the future. A world that sees a lot of our scientific and mechanical dreams come true." It is an ominous introduction, and works extremely well in my opinion. Additionally, we know Lucas was a big fan of the serials from the 30s and 40s.

Just for fun, here is an episode guide to the first Buck Roger's serial/chapter "Tomorrow's World," as well as "Tragedy on Saturn" seen at the end of the clip in the intro:

http://buckrogersguide.blogspot.com/2014/03/ep-101-tomorrows-world-april-11-1939.html

http://buckrogersguide.blogspot.com/2014/03/chapter-two-tragedy-on-saturn-april-18.html

An interesting note from the first chapter: Killer Kane is the result of the 20th Century's failure to eliminate crime. Racketeer, now controls the government.

And

Killer Kane interrogates the Pilot for the information to the location of the Hidden City. As a tactic to get the Pilot to talk, Kane shows the Pilot a room full of Pilots that have been captured and turned into slaves with the use of a helmet that turns the men into mindless robots.

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Hmm...

I have now seen 3 different 1971 release prints, all have Buck Rogers, I'm getting pretty sure that the "Things to come" is incorrect.

Also, Lucas messed with the audio on the Buck Rogers intro in 1971, (five points to the first person that notices the replaced line) replacing some of it with new audio to 'make a statement' about THX, that would also seem to indicate it was his choice to have it there.

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