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THX 1138 "preservations" + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released) — Page 65

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I highly doubt THX went through any more elaborate of a process than the OT, which would mean Lowry processed at 1080p (or something close). FWIW I'm still working from the Blu-ray.

At least Ted Turner released the originals.

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Well, i think the best thing to do is work with the best sources we have now and just make versions for each change when we get better sources, like Harmy's despecialized Star Wars projects, makes sense?

Edit: Oh, and also, is the Angrysun version faded? Or is the color the right color? If you get what i am saying.

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AFAIK THX was a 2K scan of Techniscope materials, like others including some of the Leone classics. But then you have the Lowry-GL combo...oh dear.

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For my own curiosity, was THX scanned from the OCN or the IP? The original opticals are clearly used (look at the dissolve at the end of the first factory scene, where the color grading tries to compensate for the revised factory colors during the fade) but I don't know if they were printed then cut into the negative or the negative was A/B-cut for dissolves.

@DarthAss - My framerate is 23.976. So long as we're both at 1080p and the same framerate, we should be able to intercut just fine.

I did color-grade the Buck Rogers trailer but I left the green font of the opening credits based on screencaps from this thread which showed other pre-2004 releases also being green (this, other than the Kinney logo, was the only thing I sided with the Blu-ray on). I have around ten shots in the works:

Among the finished are the albino lizard (roto'd out the antennae and wings but I want to refine the background a little more), one of LUH's control room shots (removing the green bokeh in the top-left corner), the extended hallway before the escalator (I used split-screens), a control room shot (another split-screen since both the man on the right and the monitors were altered).

In-progress are the door with the "3" on it (since it covers more area, the original can be laid underneath it with no other roto, but it needs to be stabilized-- curiously the close-up two shots before has the door's original signage intact), the shot behind THX viewing the hologram (THX and the chair on the left of frame are the only elements remaining of the Blu-ray), and the horizontal pan of THX in the factory at the beginning (this shot is where I'm having anamorphic distortion problems on the original material).

The opening "grid" shot I intend to re-create completely since the raw clip they used is in the film itself and unaltered, but I'm having trouble lining the original grid to the footage; may need to roto the Blu-ray clip itself to get the alignment precise. I will only be satisfied re-creating it if it's *exactly* like the original, so there's always the LD if it doesn't work.

Roto is done in AE (I do not have Mocha Pro which would make this a *lot* easier) precisely to the edges, but when layering it over the LD, a heavy feather (30-40px) results in the best blend. To reconcile the anamorphic distortion of LD elements, I split them into two images (the right side has more horizontal compression). The LD is then color-matched, noise-reduced and with new grain added to match it up with the Blu-ray. It's pretty advantageous that the film is shot with shallow focus and originally shot against solid backgrounds as even my IVTC'd Angrysun clips blend in (I have a *much* bigger problem with my IVTC artifacts than the resolution differences).

At least Ted Turner released the originals.

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So I finally moved into my new computer room. Everything is more-or-less setup.

I have a few more things to do before I can say it's "finished".

I'm working on calibrating my capture chain at the moment. The [Pioneer CLD-1010] =(composite)=> [Extron YCS-100] =(svideo)=> [Blackmagic Intensity Pro] produces rather drab results with the color-bars on GGV1069.

I have to up the chroma gain by 1dB just to get it close to the reference.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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How is the colour if you go straight from the Pioneer to the BMI?

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poita said:

How is the colour if you go straight from the Pioneer to the BMI?

I haven't tried that yet, but I imagine it won't be much different because my earlier tests with the Extron YCS-100 didn't change the color much with my DVD player (it probably didn't at all).

The real pain-in-the-ass is that I can't calibrate U and V separately; there's only "chroma gain".

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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Try it, it could be an impedence mis-match between the player and the Extron.

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poita said:

Try it, it could be an impedence mis-match between the player and the Extron.

If so, can it potentially damage the equipment?

Is this kind of thing common?

EDIT: I just checked: The CLD-1010 manual and the YCS-100 manual both say 75 Ohms for impedance. Is there anything else I should look for?

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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IIRC, msycamore did get a capture of that PAL disc.

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@ msycamore

Unfortunately ... Must Bow Out

It looks like my window of free time just closed on me. I won't be able to continue the completion/assembling of the laserdisc preservation (it's back to lurking on OT when I have odd moments for that).

It looks like AntcuFaalb is moving along on his capture, which will eliminate the issues of the previous one that was eating up your time/energy. Perhaps asking him to add all your extras to his project, to finish it, would be the best idea (I'm sure he'd do that, too). He appears to have better Internet connections than me and perhaps that would be better for your transfer, too.

If you could ask him and post an announcement, that would make it official. In case you're not signing in when lurking, I'll put this message in a post (after some weeks of no answer) in hopes you'll catch it that way.

Anyway, I tried and hope my efforts to this point were/will be a help.  :)

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@ AntcuFaalb

In msycamore's absence, I hope you will take the reigns of this LD preservation project (a good capture was most of it anyway). msycamore only sent that 16mm clip segment I worked on a few pages back. I was awaiting more of his resources (and queried about them after some time of silence), then my free time gave out. Still looking forward (as time permits) to your techniques and results!

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I have sent you a PM Spaced Ranger.

Btw, did you ever finish syncing the audio to the 16mm clip I sent you?

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Hi, and got the PM (see reply).

Yes, the syncing was done fairly early on and worked quite well. Note that AssumeSampleRate() is used to correct the per-clip-length timing and AudioDelay() aligns the audio starting point to the trimmed video. Both were done by eye. The numbers work on these short runs and should, too, on longer ones (or with minor tweaking):

## THX 1138 - 16mm bits
## AviSynth 2.5.x script

##==========
## SOURCE
##==========

##----------
## Get clips
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vid001 = OpenDMLSource( "bits.avi" ).AssumeFPS( "ntsc_film" )
aud001 = WAVSource( "audioBit1.wav" ).AssumeSampleRate( 47650 )
aud002 = WAVSource( "audioBit2.wav" ).AssumeSampleRate( 47650 )
aud003 = WAVSource( "audioBit3.wav" ).AssumeSampleRate( 47650 )

##==========
## PROCESS
##==========

##----------
## Split video, add audio, trim clips
##----------

vid001a = vid001.Trim( 0, 3071 )
vid001a = AudioDub( vid001a , aud001 )
vid001a = vid001a.DelayAudio( -6 )
vid001a = vid001a.Trim( 0, 3071 )
#    \.Subtitle( "clip 1", x=360, y=443, size=24 )
#    \.ShowSMPTE( x=600, y=470 )
#    \.ShowFrameNumber( x=360, y=450 )

vid001b = vid001.Trim( 3102, 5405 )
vid001b = AudioDub( vid001b, aud002 )
vid001b = vid001b.DelayAudio( -10.8 )
vid001b = vid001b.Trim( 3102-3102, 5405-3102 )
    \.Trim( 0, 2255 )
#    \.Subtitle( "clip 2", x=360, y=443, size=24 )
#    \.ShowSMPTE( x=600, y=470 )
#    \.ShowFrameNumber( x=360, y=450 )

vid001c = vid001.Trim( 5421, 5843 )
vid001c = AudioDub( vid001c, aud003 )
vid001c = vid001c.DelayAudio( -3.5 )
vid001c = vid001c.Trim( 5421-5421, 5843-5421 )
    \.Trim( 17, 0 )
#    \.Subtitle( "clip 3", x=360, y=443, size=24 )
#    \.ShowSMPTE( x=600, y=470 )
#    \.ShowFrameNumber( x=360, y=450 )

# reassembled clips
vid001abc = vid001a +vid001b +vid001c

##==========
## DISPLAY - the results
##==========

# show various clips
vid001abc

##==========

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I saw broadcasts on HDNET and TCM.  Sadly they were the George Lucas director's cut with the listed original theatrical release date.

A little like Spike TV listing the original release dates for the 2004 versions of the star wars trilogy.

I even think the blu ray has the same sin for listing star wars as 1977 when its 2011.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Four days left on that auction, if you guys think a vintage tv spot is worth pursuing and preserving, please speak up.

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I'd say go for it if it's cheap. That's just me, though.

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I checked the DVD specs, and there were not any tv spots included, so I'm game. :)

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Checked the release dates of the other movies in that auction, and they are all from between 1965-1974. This increases the odds the THX spot is from the original release and not the '78 reissue. The plot thickens!

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The tv spot would be one minute or even 30 seconds long. The trailer was three minutes. It might be similar to the trailer, it might not. If the price doesn't go up too much, I think it's worth getting.

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Won it, but it wasn't cheap. Not crazy about these things being bundled with unrelated bits. It's nuts to be in competition with someone who probably isn't even after the trailer you want.

If the THX spot can be safely removed from the rest of the reel, I'll sell it off down the line to defray the cost.

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Nice! I may be willing to help defray costs if/when you decide to sell stuff...