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THX 1138 "preservations" + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released) — Page 64

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Just wanted it seeded. I had 90% then someone took off. lol

I would appreciate it if I could see the Italian cut, all the work transfer it needs to be seen.

Remember, Highlander, you’ve both still got your full measure of life. Use it well, and your future will be glorious.

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Can anyone seed so Mitch can get this finished?

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I would be one of the seeders for the italian cut, but unfortunately my hard drive went kaput. Sorry.

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Thanks guys but it seems no one to the rescue. I'll still seed my 91%......

Happy Turkey Day all...

Remember, Highlander, you’ve both still got your full measure of life. Use it well, and your future will be glorious.

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Mitch said:

Thanks guys but it seems no one to the rescue. I'll still seed my 91%......

Happy Turkey Day all...

I got you. Should be finished soon.

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Thanks buddy, I am going to seed this forever....

 

This is something special. I collect rare films and this is ONE rare film.

 

People should see this history. Preservation's save our history.

 

 

Remember, Highlander, you’ve both still got your full measure of life. Use it well, and your future will be glorious.

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ETQ06213 said:

If the print source is real, it's definitely the 2004 DC ... it contains the DTS timecode and digital Dolby and SDDS tracks).

SilverWook said:

Seen it before. 2004 version.

So disappointing ... :(

A little analyzing also shows it could've been better. I started with the same DVD (2004) frame ..

.. and, wow, is it really that dark? Yes, with lots of black crush, too:

(crushed R-G-B areas are shown by inverting them to their maximum color).
Anyway, the overall darkness was fixed just to see what was being worked on:

The frame from the THX 1138 Remix ..

.. is trimmed, re-sized, superimposed, and aligned:

Extraneous celluloid is trimmed away and ..

.. hmmm. Not allot of 35mm picture here.

Oh well, back to the scope print search.  :)

 

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Seeding the Italian cut now.

The Blu-ray contains crushed blacks and sometimes just crushed in one channel (most often Red), but I'll go into video processing help when I need it (would it be incorrect to assume I can fill in the crushed blacks with the LD?).

Is the Japanese Pan-and-Scan LD being worked on? I've found a few shots already with the Italian cut where stitching the pan-and-scan image is possible (the unaltered holograms as a primary example), but it is a truncated edit with heavy print damage including tape splices, fluctuating brightness levels and missing frames.

Or, even weirder question: is it possible to use a TooT/Median-style filter to accomplish that type of stitching?

At least Ted Turner released the originals.

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I sent a capture if it to msycamore, but I don't know if he's sent it on to anyone else. There is also the issue of burned in subtitles though. The Betamax tape is the same transfer, but the aggressive anti copy signal made it unwatchable and impossible to capture.

A pan and scan LD is on Ebay at the moment.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/THX-1138-Japan-LD-Laserdisc-George-Lucas-08JL-61162-Obi-Lazerdisk-/360781736465?pt=US_Laserdisc&hash=item5400446a11

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I assume the VHS is the same transfer as well?

Since I'd be using multiple sources for the unaltered/despecialized shots anyway, the subtitles can be removed and covered with another source if necessary. What I can do is compile a reel of every shot I've found to be altered or removed so if mysycamore or anyone else is willing, they can send just those shots.

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I've never actually watched a VHS version. I presume the later fullscreen version was remastered, as the earlier one crops the closing credits completely out of frame!

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AntcuFaalb said:

I plan on using median-of-three rather than TooT (thanks for the tip, g-force!).

What is the advantage, in this case, that changed your approach?

Also, would these individual sources also be available in the project (for those wishing to try alternate methods)?

 

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I sent a capture if it to msycamore, but I don't know if he's sent it on to anyone else.

I'm still waiting for a reply on the status of that.  RealLife® to blame, no doubt.  :)

 

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NeonBible said:

I discovered it's not actually an LPCM track, that was just the audio stream for the menu screen haha!

I thought the angrysun audio had better dynamic range while the other rip sounded a bit more compressed.

I did try to port over the audio but the sync seems different and drifts.

I will need to check it out again.

Edit: Nevermind, i was thinking of a different rip.

 

 

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Got my hands on a THX 1138 Bluray from a friend (Bought it from him) and he let me rip it with his computer (He has a bluray drive) and i might try dabbling with despecializing. Though i do have to wait as he is ripping it and i will get it in a week.

Edit: Does anyone have some info on original individual scene colors (For accurate color correction) or any other info? Or even a rip from a good source? That would really help! Thanks.

 

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I'm matching colors to the Angrysun rip for now (with Black Input levels calibrated so the letterbox bars are black), first by waveform then calibrating by eye. I also re-color the LD cuts when necessary to match the corrected Blu-ray footage. When a better source comes along I'll match to that.

On that note, what's the opinion on the NTSC LD's colors versus the PAL LD?

At least Ted Turner released the originals.

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ETQ06213 said:

I'm matching colors to the Angrysun rip for now (with Black Input levels calibrated so the letterbox bars are black), first by waveform then calibrating by eye. I also re-color the LD cuts when necessary to match the corrected Blu-ray footage. When a better source comes along I'll match to that.

On that note, what's the opinion on the NTSC LD's colors versus the PAL LD?

Do you mind me making a despecialized version myself? There's no harm in having a choice between 2 versions.

 

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Spaced Ranger said:

What is the advantage, in this case, that changed your approach?

Median1 and TooT both guarantee a rot-free result (under the assumption that if a pixel at [x, y] is rot in source #1, then it is not rot at [x, y] in sources #2 and #3).

g-force made a convincing argument that a TooT is likely to be noisier than a Median1 and I'm pretty sure I can provide a mathematical proof if that level of rigor is needed.

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Also, would these individual sources also be available in the project (for those wishing to try alternate methods)?

Yes. The first thing I plan to do is post the raws to Usenet.

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DarthAss said:

ETQ06213 said:

I'm matching colors to the Angrysun rip for now (with Black Input levels calibrated so the letterbox bars are black), first by waveform then calibrating by eye. I also re-color the LD cuts when necessary to match the corrected Blu-ray footage. When a better source comes along I'll match to that.

On that note, what's the opinion on the NTSC LD's colors versus the PAL LD?

Do you mind me making a despecialized version myself? There's no harm in having a choice between 2 versions.

 

While I don't have any objections to it (as the nature of these fan preservations is open source), if we're both doing it we could despecialize different shots and get it done with more efficiency.

If you're interested, my conform is edited from the raw VC-1 Blu-ray rip (thanks to MeGUI's AVS generator which works flawlessly on CS4) and clips to be despecialized are exported at 1:1 resolution in Lagarith, where I use a 1920x822 center crop (the Blu-ray is *very slightly* windowboxed at 1-3 pixels and that's how much of the letterboxing bars I leave in to ensure I have the entire image).

At least Ted Turner released the originals.

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ETQ06213 said:

While I don't have any objections to it (as the nature of these fan preservations is open source), if we're both doing it we could despecialize different shots and get it done with more efficiency.

If you're interested, my conform is edited from the raw VC-1 Blu-ray rip (thanks to MeGUI's AVS generator which works flawlessly on CS4) and clips to be despecialized are exported at 1:1 resolution in Lagarith, where I use a 1920x822 center crop (the Blu-ray is *very slightly* windowboxed at 1-3 pixels and that's how much of the letterboxing bars I leave in to ensure I have the entire image).

 Well i am using a different editor, but it shouldn't matter much as long as we render the video similarly (Resolution, bitrate). I am using Sony Vegas Pro 12, but i also have Photoshop and other software at my disposal. So far what have you done? How will we plan this? I am using the AngrySun version, and the DC Bluray rip (Obviously). So far i color corrected the font at the beginning credits to be the same as the original.

Forgot to mention what FPS are you working with? I think it's best to use 24fps because it's the FPS that is used by most movies.

Also, what about the Buck Rodgers trailer? At this point in time i have color corrected it to match the original.

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The Bluray is the first one and the second is the AngrySun version. Color corrected and cropped to fit in Sony Vegas Pro 12 (Maybe slightly off).

BD BRAngrySun BR

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The blu ray is not so good a source for reconstruction Lucas removed the original intended techniscope film grain with dvnr.

The same was done to American Graffiti.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

The blu ray is not so good a source for reconstruction Lucas removed the original intended techniscope film grain with dvnr.

The same was done to American Graffiti.

What source do you suggest? I know it has been de-noised/grained, but atleast the outcome should be better than the angrysun version's quality.

 

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DarthAss said:

skyjedi2005 said:

The blu ray is not so good a source for reconstruction Lucas removed the original intended techniscope film grain with dvnr.

The same was done to American Graffiti.

What source do you suggest? I know it has been de-noised/grained, but atleast the outcome should be better than the angrysun version's quality.

 

For what it's worth there are two HDTVrips on Rutracker.org of THX.

 

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DarthAss said:

skyjedi2005 said:

The blu ray is not so good a source for reconstruction Lucas removed the original intended techniscope film grain with dvnr.

The same was done to American Graffiti.

What source do you suggest? I know it has been de-noised/grained, but atleast the outcome should be better than the angrysun version's quality.

 

Sadly you are right, or you have to revert to a laserdisc capture method.  Or wait for a print of the film to surface one of the Scope prints.  Re-released after star wars release not the hacked version.

Flat prints and reductions have come out on ebay and elsewhere but not a full scope print.

 

Amongst the DVNR and totally retimed color which shots are still in their original form and not tweaked with CGI or digital editing?  I mean the blu ray of course. 

Did THX 1138 George Lucas cgi cut get a Digital intermediate 2k or was it just 1080P like star wars?

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So? Should i put it on hold? I mean the despecialization project that is. Well, my part of it.