THX 1138 "preservations" + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released) — Page 13

Got your file myscamore, I will work on that, shouldn't take too long. Maybe we misunderstood each other while we were proposing the same thing. Work on your srt file will take no much time.

As for the Italian dubbing liberties, are you all sure you want those translated? They were afterall "liberties" taken by the translators (as they often do here), not direct orders from Warner.

We have other infamous translation liberties, one big example is from Star Wars ep IV when the "clone wars" Obi Wan refers to were translated with "Guerre dei Quoti" ("Quoti Wars", where Quoti doesn't mean anything at all, they just decided to invent a word!). In 2000s it became obvious when Lucas made "The Clone Wars" into one if his prequels.

When I select Italian subtitles on Star Wars IV, in that scene they correctly wrote "Clone Wars" even if in the dubbed audio track they say "Quoti Wars".

So my question is, do you really want to keep the Italian liberties that the dubbers took when translating THX and make them into the English subtitle or should we stick to the original subtitles no matter what the audio in Italian says.

I rest my case to you, whatever you decide if perfectly fine for me. I like the robot casually saying that the employees were going to be destroyed because oudated! lol

As for the time when we could chat one day, if I'm not mistaken noon in the pacific corresponds to 9pm here in Italy. SilverWook if you are ever free in late morning or early afternoon that would be just fine for me.

msycamore where do you live?

I've got a DVD with the original cut that probably someone around here made a long time ago, I downloaded it through a link from IMDb forum around 2005. I also have the original film in AVI, I'll check if the sutbitles match, otherwise I will ask you the avi file.

I will adapt from Italian to English then, at least in those parts that differ consistently. I agree with all that you said.

Ah Svenska! Then our watches should read the same time. Tack för allt

(that's the end of my knowledge of Swedish sorry! lol)

I'll do my best.

To my advantage, I've subtitled (for my girlfriend) "Fantozzi 2", an Italian comedy film which didn't exist subtitled in English (while the first did)... that job was way harder than THX could ever be ;-)

SilverWook said:

I won the original auction . The only other bidder didn't outgun me by very much. I suspect it was some bearded guy living on a ranch in Northern California. ;)

Close, I do not have a beard nor do I live on a ranch... but I do live in California.

I am sorry that I had a bidding war with you, I just now discovered this thread and realized that we were bidding on the same item for the same reasons.

I had planned to transfer the 16mm to a Bluray using a company that does transfers to HD, plus retouching if the film is damaged. Again, I had no idea there was a project already in the works; I would have saved you a few bucks had I known you were part of this preservation project.

Any ways, I am a huge fan of the film, have various material relating to it. I have the Japanese LD, a few of the previously mentioned VHS copies, 3 (varying conditions) of the mylar cop poster, 1 of the LUH mylar poster, the presskit, and lots of other smaller items.

Its great to see there is much enthusiasm in preserving the original cut, as I am a fan of that cut over the rest. I am always on the lookout for international versions of the film, or any differing version of the film for that matter. So hopefully I can assist somewhere down the line if I find anything now that I know where to go.

SilverWook said:

Okay, I'm going to try having a chat channel tonight on the following little used IRC server

Sorry Silver, we've been hit with a snowstorm exactly on the 17th, took three days to get back to normal, and then of course Christmas duties took my time.

I hope you didn't wait up.

I guess we'll try again after the holidays, however, as for the time, you should try for the morning Silver, because 7 in the evening in your time zone is like 3am here in Europe. Anyway, isn't easier to use MSN messenger?

No news yet about the Italian tape, people must be in holiday

Hey guys,

Thanks for the welcoming! The company I was going to use: http://www.film2hd.com/

They have a copyright page that states the following:

Our Copyright

International copyright applies to the vast majority of DVDs we produce. See the bottom corner on the back of your DVD.

Unauthorized reproduction, copying, or rental of this recording in any form is strictly prohibited by law. All rights reserved. Made in Canada.”

Your Materials

If you wish us to transfer copyrighted material, only one copy can be made for preservation or backup purposes and you are required by law to be (and continue to be) the owner of the original media.

I'm not sure how you guys read that, but this is how I see it... If you have a DVD/Bluray produced by them, you are then obliged to follow their copyright. More importantly, if you own the THX-1138 16mm print, you are allowed to backup the film using their services for -KEYWORD- preservation. Of course contacting them to confirm this would be the first step. If you chose this route, I will help finance the means of preservation using this company or any other.

Ok msycamore perhaps you're right. Afterall I've only got one thing to do now, translate!

THX thanks for your help and welcome on board

Merry Christmas to all of you

The most important part of that message is this:

If you wish us to transfer copyrighted material, only one copy can be made for preservation or backup purposes and you are required by law to be (and continue to be) the owner of the original media.

That means, if they do it, and you're caught redistributing the ("one and only") copy, you (or they) could get in to trouble over it.

ChainsawAsh said:

The most important part of that message is this:

If you wish us to transfer copyrighted material, only one copy can be made for preservation or backup purposes and you are required by law to be (and continue to be) the owner of the original media.

That means, if they do it, and you're caught redistributing the ("one and only") copy, you (or they) could get in to trouble over it.

Yeah, lol, I purposely chose not to direct my thoughts on that segment as I assumed it didn't matter in our case. I figured there could be 'ways' around that given the fact we would be creating a fan-edit(preservation) of the film that is not officially available.

But I might be very wrong with that assumption, and what people here are pursuing is either clear of any copyright issues or I am completely missing the obvious.

I also forgot to mention that my sister's best friend now lives in Italy. I requested that she look for the Italian Laserdisc version of the film along with any other format besides the current DC version.

THX11384EB said:

 

I also forgot to mention that my sister's best friend now lives in Italy. I requested that she look for the Italian Laserdisc version of the film along with any other format besides the current DC version.

Four eyes are better than two! But if anything appears on ebay please let me know so we don't bid on the same thing for the same purpose!

Tell her to look for the VHS too, laserdisc can be found only with a miracle here

I'm working on the translation and, oh boy, never noticed all these alterations. Some segments have been cut (for example LUH asking permission for procreation [am I right, did I see that happening?], LUH standing in a corner and THX leaving the prayer boot after vomiting).

Dialogue is often slightly different (I guess you'll enjoy checking the differences). In some cases it even adds new info (invented I guess!) or give different meanings and interpretation. Minimal stuff of course (at the beginning when there's an overload and explosion, the voice counts 63 robot personnel destroyed, not caring of the humans I guess)... I am of course retranslating all these into English subs as per request! ;-) I'll keep you updated

Side note: to your advantage, I have marked clearly which parts are added and which are removed. However I am not coordinating the timing but simply replacing the lines where these appear on the original subtitled film. I don't have the program to do the synchronizing, I hope some of you guys is equipped for sub sync.

Sorry SilverWook, I checked and of course there is no birth request, I misunderstood because I was concentrating on the translation while the removed scene was on (removed from the Italian version),

About the removed parts, I can easily identify any cut because that's where the audio switches back to English. Good news is that the video the guy from youtube sent me is much better quality so I could understand also what was before unclear.

Best altered line encountered until now is the following:

-What is it?
-A shell dweller.
-They live in the outer shell.
We had two here before, we had to kill them.
You can't imagine the smell.

LOL in the Italian version the "inmates" killed two previous shell dwellers

I find funny that they had to change even the components of the robot THX is working on

Instead of "the TTO integrated logic modules" in Italian THX is inserting a "double conversion superheterodyne" (I had to sweat a bit to understand that word and translate it, ancient technology goes in those robots!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superheterodyne_receiver

Yeah I think we should have two separate threads, one for American Graffiti and one for THX

My God the mistakes I'm listening to! I'm almost done with the subtitling by the way. I'm 15 minutes to the end of the movie, then I'll check it all over and add here and there some time indication so you can easily check that you are subtitling the right stuff at the right time.

I never noticed that the film has also been re-edited moving some scenes around (THX trial is not right after his arrest and in the trial he's considered "curable" while in English they say he's incurable). I wonder that the hell did Warner have in mind.

The way some parts have been translated really make the film hard to understand while in English it's all pretty clear... anyway you'll see for yourself soon enough.

There were a couple of things I didn't translate from Italian because they clearly were mistakes.
When THX is looking for LUH on the computer, a voice says that LUH has been destroyed and regenerated (whatever that means) with the new name of FOETUS, they thought foetus was her new name??? In English of course it says that LUH has been "consumed" and name "reassigned" to a foetus.

I'm leaving it as it is in English because I'm not keeping this kind of sh*t, pardon my French lol