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I feel like I'm always bringing this up when it comes to TPM purism, but I must point out that there is an error in Adywan's Theatrical Edition that any new source should correct.  I wouldn't be surprised if there are other changes no one has caught yet, but this one is now known, though I don't think it was common knowledge at the time Adywan did his work (and still seems to be relatively unknown compared to other changes).

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Prequel-Bootlegs/post/611716/#TopicPost611716

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darth_ender said:

I feel like I'm always bringing this up when it comes to TPM purism, but I must point out that there is an error in Adywan's Theatrical Edition that any new source should correct.  I wouldn't be surprised if there are other changes no one has caught yet, but this one is now known, though I don't think it was common knowledge at the time Adywan did his work (and still seems to be relatively unknown compared to other changes).

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Prequel-Bootlegs/post/611716/#TopicPost611716

I remember that discussion.  I have the widescreen vhs myself and would be happy to offer it up.  I wonder if the retail VCD has the same change.  I will have to dig mine out and check it.

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I checked my retail VCD, the bridge is not on there as well.

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If you have the shot, let me know. I would work it in, but wouldn't know right now where to find it.

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Topper, I have the scene you're missing cut out of the digital broadcast (TB version).  I can share with you.  Also, you may want to check my preservation of the HDTV version of TPM posted on myspleen.  It has been completely resynced to the dvd version and all damaged frames corrected from other sources.  Also, I did no color correction there, so you could change it as you like.  

I also posted my avisynth scripts for creating the video, which you could alter to give the highest quality.  You would need the source files, which might be a little tough to track down, but not impossible.  For TPM, you'll just need the pal hV version and the german hdtv rip.  

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/schormans-HDTV-Star-Wars-Saga-Preservation/topic/16702/

If I had some gum, I’d chew a hole into the sun…

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From what I know, in terms of video quality...

Incomplete HDTV theatrical version > Blu-ray with noise digitally added > Blu-ray > HDTV DVD version

Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…

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Well, in terms of video quality, the Blu-Ray rip I have is far superior to what people were referring to as the supposed HDTV rip in this thread, but I am not really sure if it's rather the DVD than the HDTV rip:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/99096

Can anyone confirm what I have now? I cannot find screencaps to compare to.

Thanks

Darth Id on ‘Why “Ben”?’:

And while we’re at it, we need to figure out why they kept calling Mark Hamill’s character “Luke Skywalker,” since it’s my subjective opinion that his name is actually Schnarzle Shnuzzle.  It just doesn’t make sense!

Damn you George Lucas for never explaining why they all keep calling Schnarzle “Luke”!

Damn You!!!

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Intruder said:

Well, in terms of video quality, the Blu-Ray rip I have is far superior to what people were referring to as the supposed HDTV rip in this thread, but I am not really sure if it's rather the DVD than the HDTV rip:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/99096

Can anyone confirm what I have now? I cannot find screencaps to compare to.

Thanks

The bluray is not as superior as you might think.  The bluray's detail is washed out by DVNR.

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I am aware that the Blu-Ray is not the best you can get, but I wanted to know if what I have is HDTV rip everyone favors or if I have a bloated-up 19 GB DVD-quality rip. But I think is it obvious...

Darth Id on ‘Why “Ben”?’:

And while we’re at it, we need to figure out why they kept calling Mark Hamill’s character “Luke Skywalker,” since it’s my subjective opinion that his name is actually Schnarzle Shnuzzle.  It just doesn’t make sense!

Damn you George Lucas for never explaining why they all keep calling Schnarzle “Luke”!

Damn You!!!

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Intruder said:

I am aware that the Blu-Ray is not the best you can get, but I wanted to know if what I have is HDTV rip everyone favors or if I have a bloated-up 19 GB DVD-quality rip. But I think is it obvious...

If you wanted quality you should seek out the 35GB ones ...... they are better.

;)

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StarmanSkywalker said:

If you need proof, let me know, I have it on my UPC DVR. ;)
Beginning with the night before the race all the way to the end.

Unfortunately there is no way to get it off the DVR's HD without breaking the warranty seal (it's a rental only deal) and everything on it is encoded in HDCP.

There are HDMI splitters that filter HDCP and will allow recording.  Most people have used them to record PS3's, but this is about the most perfect example of a time when these would be useful.

Here's an example of one:  here

You would of course need an HDMI capture card as well.

If I had some gum, I’d chew a hole into the sun…

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schorman13 said:

Topper, I have the scene you're missing cut out of the digital broadcast (TB version).  I can share with you.  Also, you may want to check my preservation of the HDTV version of TPM posted on myspleen.  It has been completely resynced to the dvd version and all damaged frames corrected from other sources.  Also, I did no color correction there, so you could change it as you like.  

I also posted my avisynth scripts for creating the video, which you could alter to give the highest quality.  You would need the source files, which might be a little tough to track down, but not impossible.  For TPM, you'll just need the pal hV version and the german hdtv rip.  

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/schormans-HDTV-Star-Wars-Saga-Preservation/topic/16702/

 
Sounds interesting. I'll send you a pm.


And about the quality. The blu-ray has definitely better quality, but is made to look digital, grainless and "unfilmish", to fit in with episode II and III.
Yes, you can ad grain again and make your own version of that, like someone already made here, but I would prefere to have the option to watch the "old" telecine with grain and flmlook intact, even if it is lower quality. Because I can watch the blu-ray anyway, if I want. So it would be about preserving that version, that still looks like the film, it was scanned of from, withouth the red tint, that is definitely an error.

I already made that theatrical color corrected version from my HDTV file, but I will check the offered possibilities for better quality versions, before I share it.

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I'm very interested to find out where this is at too.  Has anyone been able to come across that Australian HDTV broadcast of the Theatrical TPM?

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Thought it was Austrian.

If I had some gum, I’d chew a hole into the sun…

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schorman13 said:

Thought it was Austrian.

 Whatever you say, mate.

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schorman13 said:

Thought it was Austrian.

StarmanSkywalker said:

I like the idea, but the best source material for this project would be the theatrical cut itself, which was aired on Austrian TV in HD in 2012.

 I screwed it up didn't I?  LOL

Sorry

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I actually thought I was probably wrong. ??

If I had some gum, I’d chew a hole into the sun…

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A Shame this never came to be. Is Adywan’s version still available somewhere?

"You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could...you never stopped to think if you should." - Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park
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schorman13 said:

StarmanSkywalker said:

If you need proof, let me know, I have it on my UPC DVR. 😉
Beginning with the night before the race all the way to the end.

Unfortunately there is no way to get it off the DVR’s HD without breaking the warranty seal (it’s a rental only deal) and everything on it is encoded in HDCP.

There are HDMI splitters that filter HDCP and will allow recording.  Most people have used them to record PS3’s, but this is about the most perfect example of a time when these would be useful.

Here’s an example of one:  here

You would of course need an HDMI capture card as well.

Hi StarmanSkywalker,

Did you eventually achieve to save your HDTV rip out of your UPC DVR? Schorman13’s trick seemed to be a good idea.
Otherwise, could you please post some screen captures as you proposed a few years ago ?

Thank you very much!

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Hi,

I have found a HD 1080i50 recording from digital TV (no capture!) back from 2006, English (Stereo, 448 kBit/s) and German (5.1, 448 kBit/s) AC3 tracks. Overall bitrate is at around 18 MBit/s, filesize by coincidence also around 18 GByte/s.
But the quality, like mentioned, is really awful: There is a lot of noise in bright areas, and the overall sharpness is bad.
Anyone still interested in? 😉
I have also recordings of all other SW movies, but I think that those are all SEs and thus not really useful anymore. If they still are, please also leave me a note.