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here's my review card:
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Episode I
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 80
Additional Comments: Ambition outstrips editing capabilities here, and some of those ideas
ultimately prove unnecessary for doing what it is he's trying to do. They mostly call attention
to themselves instead of propelling the story along. I can HEAR the editor going "This is
how it SHOULD have been done" instead of just doing it. Plus, in this film, ADM's "Straight Cut"
style tends to hinder him more than it helps. But he gets much better at it as he goes on.
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Episode II
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 82
Additional Comments: The best of his prequel edits. The ideas aren't anywhere near as intrusive,
and the execution seriously DOES make the movie flow better in the middle. I liked it about as
much as the IMAX edit, which I also felt improved the film. This is better, to me, than MagFan's
"Clone Wars" edit, which suffers from a LOT of the problems both the Episode I edit and CBB's
Matrix Edit suffers.
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Episode III
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 74
Additional Comments: Good ideas muffed by sort of forcing them into the film instead of just
discarding them if they couldn't fit naturally. And some of the reinsertions didn't really
fit naturally. Good transitions, however, he mostly nailed those. But the film does NOT work
better, for me, with this stuff put back in--especially the reinsertion of the "Birth of The
Rebellion" scenes. And this is the movie that makes his choice to delete all references to
Padme being a Senator feel like a REALLY BAD choice. Some sketchy audio edits here.
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Episode IV
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 86
Additional Comments: Maybe not as good as the Darth Editous edit, but almost there. A lot of
similarities there, both in ideas and execution, and that's not a bad thing.
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Episode V
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 88
Additional Comments: Damn near perfect on the edit side. Probably ADM's best edit, in my
mind, although the quality of the original film might have something to do with it, too. Good
concepts, good execution, a lot of nice trims that tidy the film up lovely.
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Episode VI
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 74
Additional Comments: Again, the ambition outstrips the editing capabilities. Good ideas,
iffy implementation in some instances. The movie wasn't paced the greatest in the first
place, but some things that were meant to make it move smoother just stutter it up even
more.
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Hannibal
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 88
Additional Comments: Really damned good edit, pretty seamlessly re-integrating the footage
and making it look like it was always supposed to be there. Maybe not the most innovative
but the seamlessness makes up for that. And the Menu is great. probably the best menu in the
contest.
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Pearl Harbor
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 78
Additional Comments: Editing is pretty seamless, probably the best editing actually seen in the
contest, the problem is this: The movie becomes even MORE of a headache this way. Sure, the
plot sucked, and the acting in that secondary plot sucked, but those scenes provided a necessary
buffer between Bay's overdriven action style. With those gone, not only does the movie make
less sense, but it destroys some of the tenuous connections that provided even ANY reason to
remotely care about the characters. It ends up being nothing but an action reel spiked with
nonsensical scenes. It's at best a large step sideways. It's shorter, at least, but it FEELS
just as long. Can't polish a turd--but it's a lot of pretty polish here anyway.
Name of Film and Editor: CBB's Matrix DeZionized
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 65
Additional Comments: This was HIGHLY disappointing. From forcing their title into the opening
titles and the name of their group into the credits as well with annoying, poorly done graphics
sequences, I knew this was going to be a rough ride with an edit more concerned with calling
attention to itself than actually trying to reshape the movie. Much like ADM's Pearl Harbor,
it's an idea that SOUNDS good but in execution, you realize how problematic it is to get rid
of THAT MUCH connective tissue. It ends up being a succession of repetitive action sequences,
which really should have fallen under the knife as well. And the worst crime--not axing ANY
of Trinity's death scene. How you re-edit this movie and leave that 5 minutes intact is beyond
me. The pic and sound quality was subpar, as well. Overcompressed and blocky more than a few
times. Most of the editing choices here are poor ones. Even taking into account this was one
of their early attempts, It's still not very good. More focused on flash. Which explains why
the extras are as plentiful as they are (although the trailers aren't good, either)
Name of Film and Editor: CBB's Boogeyman
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 75
Additional Comments: Again with the over-compressed and un-anamorphic video and subpar sound. Of
course, the turd they're trying to polish wasn't the best DVD in the first place, but again
for having problems with bad effects, they have no problem adding their own subpar effects
trumpeting their name as opposed to just trying to make the movie better. The whole thing
as with "DeZionizeD" ends up being more an exercise in fanboy pandering and self-promotion
and less an actual effort at making the movie better through creative editing. This one
DOES feature the best editing of the three CBB entries in this contest, but in the face
of ADM's entries, this stuff is pretty amateurish. It feels like it's made by people more
interested in seeing their names in the credits of ANYTHING than by people who enjoy film
and filmmaking.
Name of Film and Editor: CBB's High Tension
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 56
Additional Comments: Better video, better audio, looks like better compression, and they tricked
it out something nicely with all the audio options, the trailers, trailershow, deleted scenes,
and a pretty damn cool menu set-up. Unfortunately, this barely counts as a fan edit, since the
whole idea is just to lop off the stupid plot twist at the end. So they do. Not much skill or
innovation in that. Plus I found the re-done opening credits (as in the last two) to be pretty
damned tacky. If the point is to make the movie better don't spend so much time trying to
hype your own name and spend that time, instead, thinking of and implementing better edit choices.
Name of Film and Editor: Greencapt's Batman: De-Assified
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 72
Additional Comments: Sorta like the DeZionized project--a fun idea, and I gotta give him credit
for even TRYING to fix the unfixable. But, yeah..it's unfixable. Good effort, but the movie
STILL doesn't work, and the edits at times REALLY call attention to themselves instead of being
as seamless as they could be. Not to knock Capt's editing skill--there are some sequences in here
that blend VERY smoothly, and he juggles audio AND video cutting simultaneously rather well,
but in the end--it's still a jumbled mess of crap. It's just a shorter one.
Name of Film and Editor: Rev Beastly's Willard: Ratman Cut
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score:80
Additional Comments: Nice, workmanlike, straightforward edit. Closer to ADM than to the CBB
group, which is more to my liking. The edits are seamless, but since all he's doing is trying
to get the thing back to the workprint, it's not especially innovative. But even if it's a quick
down and dirty edit, it does what it's supposed to do and does it efficiently. No glaring
problems, nice picture and nice sound, and reinsertion of scenes that DO make the movie a
little bit better. Not MUCH (it wasn't THAT good) but it does improve it, and not too many
edits in this contest can actually SAY that.
Name of Film and Editor: Movie Rebel's T2: Cyberdyne Cut
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 71
Additional Comments: Seems like a lot of work for a movie that's not all that much
different from the 2 different extended cuts already on the disc. On top of that--it's
not anamorphic, and the picture is pretty compressed. Probably to take advantage of the
deleted scenes they were going to cut back in, along with the footage from the teaser trailer
That said, the edits are decent enough, they don't call THAT much attention to themselves
(There's a couple, though) and the audio is well done.
So there you go. Fun was had by all. I don't know if any other judges will post their cards, but that's how I had it. CBB was utterly disappointing. Yeah, they put a lot of work in, but quality has to count for something. I can spend 5 months crapping on a canvas, that's hard work too--doesn't mean that the work was worth anything other than a crap
This is by far the most popular edit besides the Phantom Edit.
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 80
Additional Comments: Ambition outstrips editing capabilities here, and some of those ideas
ultimately prove unnecessary for doing what it is he's trying to do. They mostly call attention
to themselves instead of propelling the story along. I can HEAR the editor going "This is
how it SHOULD have been done" instead of just doing it. Plus, in this film, ADM's "Straight Cut"
style tends to hinder him more than it helps. But he gets much better at it as he goes on.
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Episode II
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 82
Additional Comments: The best of his prequel edits. The ideas aren't anywhere near as intrusive,
and the execution seriously DOES make the movie flow better in the middle. I liked it about as
much as the IMAX edit, which I also felt improved the film. This is better, to me, than MagFan's
"Clone Wars" edit, which suffers from a LOT of the problems both the Episode I edit and CBB's
Matrix Edit suffers.
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Episode III
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 74
Additional Comments: Good ideas muffed by sort of forcing them into the film instead of just
discarding them if they couldn't fit naturally. And some of the reinsertions didn't really
fit naturally. Good transitions, however, he mostly nailed those. But the film does NOT work
better, for me, with this stuff put back in--especially the reinsertion of the "Birth of The
Rebellion" scenes. And this is the movie that makes his choice to delete all references to
Padme being a Senator feel like a REALLY BAD choice. Some sketchy audio edits here.
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Episode IV
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 86
Additional Comments: Maybe not as good as the Darth Editous edit, but almost there. A lot of
similarities there, both in ideas and execution, and that's not a bad thing.
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Episode V
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 88
Additional Comments: Damn near perfect on the edit side. Probably ADM's best edit, in my
mind, although the quality of the original film might have something to do with it, too. Good
concepts, good execution, a lot of nice trims that tidy the film up lovely.
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Episode VI
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 74
Additional Comments: Again, the ambition outstrips the editing capabilities. Good ideas,
iffy implementation in some instances. The movie wasn't paced the greatest in the first
place, but some things that were meant to make it move smoother just stutter it up even
more.
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Hannibal
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 88
Additional Comments: Really damned good edit, pretty seamlessly re-integrating the footage
and making it look like it was always supposed to be there. Maybe not the most innovative
but the seamlessness makes up for that. And the Menu is great. probably the best menu in the
contest.
Name of Film and Editor: ADM's Pearl Harbor
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 78
Additional Comments: Editing is pretty seamless, probably the best editing actually seen in the
contest, the problem is this: The movie becomes even MORE of a headache this way. Sure, the
plot sucked, and the acting in that secondary plot sucked, but those scenes provided a necessary
buffer between Bay's overdriven action style. With those gone, not only does the movie make
less sense, but it destroys some of the tenuous connections that provided even ANY reason to
remotely care about the characters. It ends up being nothing but an action reel spiked with
nonsensical scenes. It's at best a large step sideways. It's shorter, at least, but it FEELS
just as long. Can't polish a turd--but it's a lot of pretty polish here anyway.
Name of Film and Editor: CBB's Matrix DeZionized
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 65
Additional Comments: This was HIGHLY disappointing. From forcing their title into the opening
titles and the name of their group into the credits as well with annoying, poorly done graphics
sequences, I knew this was going to be a rough ride with an edit more concerned with calling
attention to itself than actually trying to reshape the movie. Much like ADM's Pearl Harbor,
it's an idea that SOUNDS good but in execution, you realize how problematic it is to get rid
of THAT MUCH connective tissue. It ends up being a succession of repetitive action sequences,
which really should have fallen under the knife as well. And the worst crime--not axing ANY
of Trinity's death scene. How you re-edit this movie and leave that 5 minutes intact is beyond
me. The pic and sound quality was subpar, as well. Overcompressed and blocky more than a few
times. Most of the editing choices here are poor ones. Even taking into account this was one
of their early attempts, It's still not very good. More focused on flash. Which explains why
the extras are as plentiful as they are (although the trailers aren't good, either)
Name of Film and Editor: CBB's Boogeyman
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 75
Additional Comments: Again with the over-compressed and un-anamorphic video and subpar sound. Of
course, the turd they're trying to polish wasn't the best DVD in the first place, but again
for having problems with bad effects, they have no problem adding their own subpar effects
trumpeting their name as opposed to just trying to make the movie better. The whole thing
as with "DeZionizeD" ends up being more an exercise in fanboy pandering and self-promotion
and less an actual effort at making the movie better through creative editing. This one
DOES feature the best editing of the three CBB entries in this contest, but in the face
of ADM's entries, this stuff is pretty amateurish. It feels like it's made by people more
interested in seeing their names in the credits of ANYTHING than by people who enjoy film
and filmmaking.
Name of Film and Editor: CBB's High Tension
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 56
Additional Comments: Better video, better audio, looks like better compression, and they tricked
it out something nicely with all the audio options, the trailers, trailershow, deleted scenes,
and a pretty damn cool menu set-up. Unfortunately, this barely counts as a fan edit, since the
whole idea is just to lop off the stupid plot twist at the end. So they do. Not much skill or
innovation in that. Plus I found the re-done opening credits (as in the last two) to be pretty
damned tacky. If the point is to make the movie better don't spend so much time trying to
hype your own name and spend that time, instead, thinking of and implementing better edit choices.
Name of Film and Editor: Greencapt's Batman: De-Assified
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 72
Additional Comments: Sorta like the DeZionized project--a fun idea, and I gotta give him credit
for even TRYING to fix the unfixable. But, yeah..it's unfixable. Good effort, but the movie
STILL doesn't work, and the edits at times REALLY call attention to themselves instead of being
as seamless as they could be. Not to knock Capt's editing skill--there are some sequences in here
that blend VERY smoothly, and he juggles audio AND video cutting simultaneously rather well,
but in the end--it's still a jumbled mess of crap. It's just a shorter one.
Name of Film and Editor: Rev Beastly's Willard: Ratman Cut
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score:80
Additional Comments: Nice, workmanlike, straightforward edit. Closer to ADM than to the CBB
group, which is more to my liking. The edits are seamless, but since all he's doing is trying
to get the thing back to the workprint, it's not especially innovative. But even if it's a quick
down and dirty edit, it does what it's supposed to do and does it efficiently. No glaring
problems, nice picture and nice sound, and reinsertion of scenes that DO make the movie a
little bit better. Not MUCH (it wasn't THAT good) but it does improve it, and not too many
edits in this contest can actually SAY that.
Name of Film and Editor: Movie Rebel's T2: Cyberdyne Cut
Divide by 5 to get the Final Score: 71
Additional Comments: Seems like a lot of work for a movie that's not all that much
different from the 2 different extended cuts already on the disc. On top of that--it's
not anamorphic, and the picture is pretty compressed. Probably to take advantage of the
deleted scenes they were going to cut back in, along with the footage from the teaser trailer
That said, the edits are decent enough, they don't call THAT much attention to themselves
(There's a couple, though) and the audio is well done.
So there you go. Fun was had by all. I don't know if any other judges will post their cards, but that's how I had it. CBB was utterly disappointing. Yeah, they put a lot of work in, but quality has to count for something. I can spend 5 months crapping on a canvas, that's hard work too--doesn't mean that the work was worth anything other than a crap
This is by far the most popular edit besides the Phantom Edit.
Yeah, and Larry the Cable Guy is probably the most popular comic out right now. Popularity doesn't mean jack. DeZionized was damn near a trainwreck and had some bad ideas implemented badly. And the Phantom Edit was dreck. Terrible edit. again, poorly thought out and poorly executed.
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And there's plenty of details in those little capsule reviews. Don't blame Dayv for the fact that I didn't like your stuff, and don't browbeat him about his contest because you got a bad score. Besides, after doing a google search or two, I discovered you shouldn't at ALL be new to criticism like this anyway, at least judging by some of the comments I've read on various torrent sites and messageboards.
I mean--why, when you're chopping as much of Matrix up as you can, do you leave EVERY fight sequence in, and then not even TOUCH Trinity's death? About the only thing I think you guys pulled off REALLY well was the Trinity infiltration/rescue from reloaded.
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HIGH TENSION:
DAYV-69
RICARDO-83
AVG=69.3
BOOGEYMAN:
DAYV-63
RICARDO-77
AVG=71.7
*AVG INCLUDES TheBizzle'S SCORE.
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Dayv, I would really like to read the complete reviews of everyone including the single scores before it was divided by 5, not just about our edits but about all of them.
About deZIONized: you are right about the plot hole, Dayv, but we have tested it on people who had not watched R&R and they had no idea what Trinity was referring to and were not to much destracted. Since the edit (especially the audio) was already finished then, we decided that the damage done was minor. The video quality is not that great, I know, we decided for acceptable quality using smallest possible size for upload/download reasons, and I think it just that: acceptable. deZIONized will get a rework anyway since we improved our work a lot since then.
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boon23: your edit of matrix: dezionized won my cards. i'll post yours and the other score cards tomorrow. even though the audio/video was bad, the edit was great. even the plot hole did not take away from the film. that's what imagination is for, people. and the extras were nice, especially the subtitles you included. very cool, especially since i have a father-in-law that's deaf and cannot watch any of these unless subs are included. so great job on that release. kudos from me. take it as you'd like.
Everyone: lets turn this little flame war into something worth working towards. I would love to see this contest go on, albeit planned a bit better. Any contstructive criticism will be taken to make this contest better for next time, I'm sure. don't let a few speedbumps ruin a great idea.
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Bizzle, you may try and make me sound like a bad loser, which I am not.
Apparently, yes, you are.
Because it's accurate? I don't get what's so insulting about it. Again, if it's hitting THAT close to home, you might want to re-examine why you do what you do and what's more important to you when you do it. Because I came to that conclusion just by seeing your work and watching where you put the effort in. I don't actually know you. So for that stuff to come through in your edit, there's gotta be SOMETHING to it. It's not a flame-war--this is criticism. It's not pat you on the head with rainbow drops and cotton candy criticism: It's un-subtle, it's frank, and it's honest. It's not a slam against you as a person (again, I don't know you) and if you choose to take it that personally, that's on you. Again, I invite you to re-think why you do what you do in that case.
This is not necessary and it does not belong into a contest. Enough said.
Apparently, yes, you are.
I think your way of writing about our edits is an insult
Because it's accurate? I don't get what's so insulting about it. Again, if it's hitting THAT close to home, you might want to re-examine why you do what you do and what's more important to you when you do it. Because I came to that conclusion just by seeing your work and watching where you put the effort in. I don't actually know you. So for that stuff to come through in your edit, there's gotta be SOMETHING to it. It's not a flame-war--this is criticism. It's not pat you on the head with rainbow drops and cotton candy criticism: It's un-subtle, it's frank, and it's honest. It's not a slam against you as a person (again, I don't know you) and if you choose to take it that personally, that's on you. Again, I invite you to re-think why you do what you do in that case.
This is not necessary and it does not belong into a contest. Enough said.
I'll keep that in mind next time YOU hold a contest. Again--dude, you didn't get robbed because of my scores. There shouldn't be any sour grapes, and as far as you're concerned, if you're THAT confident in your work and your purpose in doing it, then I'm just ONE voice of dissent. One. That's nothing, right? That should be easy to dismiss if you feel like dismissing honest criticism because it's "mean" or whatever. When you enter into things like this, when you make things like this available to the public, you gotta be READY for stuff like this. Apparently you're not. Hopefully you're learning.
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The video quality is not that great, I know, we decided for acceptable quality using smallest possible size for upload/download reasons, and I think it just that: acceptable. deZIONized will get a rework anyway since we improved our work a lot since then.
The video quality is not that great, I know, we decided for acceptable quality using smallest possible size for upload/download reasons, and I think it just that: acceptable. deZIONized will get a rework anyway since we improved our work a lot since then.
...i'm not following this type of rationale - i don't think anyone benefits from downloading a movie you put a lot of time into that looks like crap. you are trying to fix these movies by changing the content, but it doesn't help if the delivery is distracting. imho, you should put your best effort into the viewing experience as a whole.
if you are using DVD sources than it should look like a DVD.
and i really LIKED "war of the worlds - extinctive cut" - i thought that it was really a good idea, so please take these as constructive criticisms.
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...i'm not following this type of rationale - i don't think anyone benefits from downloading a movie you put a lot of time into that looks like crap. you are trying to fix these movies by changing the content, but it doesn't help if the delivery is distracting. imho, you should put your best effort into the viewing experience as a whole.
you are absolutely right there. Of course we did the best we could at that time. And deZIONized does definetly NOT look like crap or sound like crap. For every edit decisions have to be made, compromises found and for deZIONized it was, how to deal with about 3h of movie on one DVD. The KDVD setting for CCE delivers decent quality with little space used. We are not quality maniacs for picture and sound quality, we have watched and enjoyed movies with bad picture quality before, quality has to be sufficient to enjoy a movie. Since we intended this edit to be uploaded the file size had to be kept small. But if someone out there likes the idea of deZIONized, make an HQ version of it.
and i really LIKED "war of the worlds - extinctive cut" - i thought that it was really a good idea, so please take these as constructive criticisms.
you are absolutely right there. Of course we did the best we could at that time. And deZIONized does definetly NOT look like crap or sound like crap. For every edit decisions have to be made, compromises found and for deZIONized it was, how to deal with about 3h of movie on one DVD. The KDVD setting for CCE delivers decent quality with little space used. We are not quality maniacs for picture and sound quality, we have watched and enjoyed movies with bad picture quality before, quality has to be sufficient to enjoy a movie. Since we intended this edit to be uploaded the file size had to be kept small. But if someone out there likes the idea of deZIONized, make an HQ version of it.
and i really LIKED "war of the worlds - extinctive cut" - i thought that it was really a good idea, so please take these as constructive criticisms.
You made a clear point here. Constructive criticism is always welcome, always was and always will be. We do want to improve our work and OT has helped us a lot there already.
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Dezionized rocks. Sound and picture are absolutely ok IMHO. But then I am not a quality geek anyway, even was watching VHS a long time without complaining
Psycho Dayv, I wonder what you mean with presentation? Pearl Harbor and De-Assified had a still picture and pink highlights as menu. But I am afraid CBB won't participate in the next contest, if things go on like this, which would be a shame (although I hope it won't be this Jennifer Garner flick they edited). Come on, Boon23, don't worry about this bizzling dog. He's just human, you know, which means he can be a terrible pain of flatulency like we all can.
And I have a great idea for a nice CBB edit: Star Wars OT combined to one 90 minutes movie. That would gain a hell lot of responses here and you would learn to handle "constructive" criticism far better, believe me.
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SOUND 0-100 POINTS
VIDEO/PICTURE 0-100 POINTS
EXTRAS 0-100 POINTS
EDIT 0-100 POINTS (MULTIPLIED TIMES 2)
ADD ALL POINTS, AND THEN DIVIDE BY FIVE TO GET THE TOTAL SCORE.
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Or is it all different? Were the ratings given by comparison of the edits? Bad idea, since no one has all the entries present and a vote should be made as long as the memory is fresh. Or was everyone free to rate as they liked? As for the Bizzle this must be true. Example? OK: Hannibal by ADM, score 88. Now let's see: 100% audio is impossible since the deleted scenes had no dolby surround (at least not on my DVD), so it is not 5.1 surround all the time, let's say it is great audio 95%. Video: has been tweaked with, the deleted scenes still look worse than the original ones, 100% impossible, let's say a great 90%. Extras: what do we have here? An animated menu and chapters menu. That's it. Sorry, but that is no Extra at all. 0% (but since the menu is cool, let's say 20%) Edit: you made a nice post, PD,
Edit (innovation, editing style, etc):
. Making an extended edition is not innovative, but ADM's editing style is superb and flawless (although the deleted scenes make this one easy, since they fit exactly into the movie (except for the dungeon scene). So, for edit this one can get max. 60%. Now the final result: (95+90+20+60+60)/5=65. That is very far from 88 and I was generous, wasn't I?So I think the entire rating system should be reworked next time, since the judges just gave ratings to their likings and were not bound to anything at all.
Does anyone want me to do a fair rating for dezionized and de-assified and pearl harbor? I would love to.
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Billy, this is an open forum, and I respect your, and everyone elses, opinion. If you would like to post your review, please do so.
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Still I would have loved the rating system to be more professional, more objective than just a subjective opinion. Why a rating system anyway, if no one is bound to it? What I did not get about this, is the fun factor. Was the contest made for fun? Were the judges doing it for fun? Is watching the edits of other people fun? Well for me it is, but I am just audience. Certainly it sounded like the contest was meant seriously. What cannot and should not happen is that contestants get attacked by the judges, who have some kind of superiority or stupidity complex. Respect and a friendly tone would have improved this far more. My opinion: next time more and better structure is needed to make anyone feel better about this.
Who is proud to have participated in this contest after all?
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The edits were supposed to have been rated as compared to a retail dvd (as I'm sure you have heard before). The reason we implemented a number system was for the fact we knew the judges had wildly different tastes. The only way to facilitate a winner was to do this. I rated the contestants to the best of my ability. A fan edit contest is, in the very definition of a fan edit, opinionated. Hindsight being 20/20, there should have been more specifics for the technical scoring of the video/audio. I have only myself to blame on that, since I drafted the cards for use.
By the way, I would have posted the cards last night, but I had a sick child. It will be posted tonight.
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