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TEAM NEGATIVE1 - STAR WARS 1977 - 35MM EASTMAN VS TECHNICOLOR THEATRICAL VERSION (RELEASE DETAILS AND UPDATES) — Page 6

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I found this in a forum talking about ET in 70mm. It’s all I’ve found so far for how these blow ups were created:

Regarding the image quality of the blow-ups, keep in mind that there may have been two grades of 70mm prints for “E.T.” The film’s cinematographer, Allen Daviau, ASC, informed me a few years ago when I was pestering him for some info that he believes they struck a few 70mm “show prints” off the original negative, with the balance of the print run (more than 30) utilizing the commonly-used procedure (i.e. 35mm O-Neg --> 35mm Inter-Positive --> 65mm Inter-Negative --> 70mm Release Print).

Source: http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/f1/t009055.html

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The 70 would have been better like its superior rendering of the sound mix, but not quite as good as a perfectly projected IB print.

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captainsolo said:

The 70 would have been better like its superior rendering of the sound mix, but not quite as good as a perfectly projected IB print.

I think an IB would have blown the 70mm away in terms of picture quality… But the larger format does have an advantage in terms of lumens and screen size. The larger screen you have, the more light you need to push through the film to get it to light up the screen. There’s only so much light you can squeeze through a 35mm frame before you end up melting the film. 70mm is able to ‘dissipate’ the heat so to speak, and uses a larger surface area, so you can get a brighter image on a larger screen.

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Just watched the preview and must say how great it looks. To my eyes the colours are much more pleasing and authentic.
Working on my D.I.Y. anamorphic lens for my projector and cant wait to get this version up on the “widescreen”. Good job and keep up the good work!

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Williarob said:

Darth Mallwalker said:

Missing 26 GOUT frames from the start of the reel (these things happen)
and none after that!

But did you spot the 26 frames I replaced using the LPP? If you look at the lightsaber duel, there are several frames that were missing from the Tech and I replaced using the LPP. At full speed it’s hard to spot unless you are looking for it, but if you slow it down, you’ll see it gets much grainier.

127,872-878
127,925-932
128,515-518
128,535-56x
That’s more than 26

But I didn’t trust my eyes, since they can deceive me.
I peeked at the GOUT-sync script I’d written for mverta’s 1fps Color_Ref_R5_web.mov
which is missing 33

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Just acquired the previews. Looks really great. Y’all are awesome. Can’t wait for the full releases!

EDIT: Was just doing some A-B-ing with the Silverscreen edition. What an improvement! Bravo

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Williarob said:

captainsolo said:

hairy_hen said:

The 70mm picture quality could potentially be quite nice, though with an aspect ratio of 2.2:1, some image would be missing from the sides.

The soundtrack is quite the most desirable aspect of it, of course. I know there is at least one privately owned 70mm print of the first movie out there, but nobody seems to know who actually owns it. Most likely this person would be unwilling to loan it out for scanning. I’ve never heard anything about whether there are any existing copies of the other two.

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Re 70mm, I have seen two 70mm Star Wars prints, only one was in projectable shape and both were far too faded to red to be useful for restoration of the image, it is extremely likely that they all are far too faded now.
Plus 70mm is cropped at the sides, so I don’t think it will be a lot of use for the visual restoration.

Any 70 prints would be Eastman likely and virtually all from that vintage are typically in tatters or so faded they are unprojectable. Additionally the mag tracks can go if not properly stored.

Imagewise, the only benefits would be the finer grain and what if any visual changes were induced through the blowup–albeit those you could tell through heavy fading. The big draw will be the Dolby 70 baby boom in the six track mag stripe. If it could be found, transferred and turned it would become a most powerful ally. 😉
But of course all this would be much easier if we could access the source and do a straight transfer, much like some 70mm mixes that got direct transfers to LD and DVD. Like the earlier Criterion 2001, any magnetic we might be able to work with would likely have some distortion or damage after all these years.

The IB will be the best image overall and the most filmic/organic feeling. The Eastman/LPP will be what you’d have seen in 1977 and what the movie should look like from the processes of the day on general release.

Timing is everything. Team Negative One’s 70mm film scanner is now up and running and we’ve already scanned The Empire Strikes Back 70mm, in 4k*:

http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/starwars/post/2016/02/04/70mm-Empire-Strikes-Back-in-4k

  • Well, as much as we have of it anyway. If anyone here has a 70mm print of Star Wars you’d like scanned, please let us know! 😃

Ooh, do you think you’ll be able to incorporate this clip into the cleaned up Empire? Or is sit not worth it?
Exciting to know you have the capability! Even though the 70mm prints are cropped you could still use them with a feathered edging blending into 35 at the sides. Might be distracting for long scenes, but worth a try! I’ll keep a look out on eBay and mortgage my house 😉

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I personally don’t think it’s worth it as inserts (except maybe the couple of shots that are different), but an entire 70mm release would be interesting.

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I thought we were only interested in 70mm because of the rumored alternate cut of Empire?

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That plus the original 6 track mixes for all three films!

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Yeah, that too. Doesn’t seem like that would be worth the price though when we already have tons of great audio sources and fan mixes.

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They ARE great (no doubt about that) but while the original stereo and mono mixes are authentic, the surround sound mixes are just educated guesses on Hairy_hen’s part. It would be fantastic to have the authentic mixes even if it’s just for educational purposes.

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Besides the difference in color, is the scene slightly out of focus in the LPP screenshot?

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WOW! that’s in another league altogether!

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I can see that this ‘quest for best possible image’ is far from over. Can’t wait for v2.

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When everything is all collected, scanned, tweaked, twerked, worked and released, it’s gonna be a lot of resources no one expected to be in the hands of mere mortals like us.

As Nu Shooz said - I can’t wait.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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Perhaps the next time that a BD compatible ISO file is created from a film print, each m2ts file can be devoted to one reel of the film.

That way, when us old guys watch the video, we’ll notice the 2 bright flashes of a small circle on the top right of the screen and know that a new reel is about to come up. Then, if there is a blackout between the change of the 2 m2ts files, we’ll pretend that the drunk projectionist was slow in starting to play the next reel of film.

That effect will add to the grindhouse atmosphere 😃