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Superman by Taolar (Formally: Son of Jorel) WORKPRINT AVAILABLE — Page 6

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Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
I think the edit looks fantastic - much more taut than the RDC version. On the bus issue, it looks perfectly fine to me - it never looks parallel to the ground once in my opinion.


I looked at the scene again (after I managed to get a little sleep), and there is some tilt to the bus, so it actually looks fine.

Never try and critique stuff when you're tired...yikes.

But Reeves definitely cracks up in the one shot.
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Thanks for the feedback, guys!

You have a good eye tweeker, and I don't disagree with the three items that you originally pointed out.

Originally posted by: tweaker
1) I think you could stand to hold to a second or two more of the action inside the bus as it's rolling--it looks pretty real, which offsets the kind of unrealistic effect of it being initially thrown.

The shot you see inside the bus as its rolling is a little too short, in my opinion, and I would hold on it if I could. Unfortunately the other shot inside the bus doesn't match it, and the only other relevant shot is of the bottom of the bus, which didn't improved the scene when I had it in. In the end I decided it only slowed down the action. I went back and forth on this a few times though. And I'm not going to say that I won't change my mind at some point, but I think this is the best that can be done for now.

2) When Ursa and Non are lifting up the bus, you see Ursa lifting first, and the bus looks pretty horizontal, then a look elsewhere, then a look at Non, who only then begins to lift up his end of the bus. Could you reedit that a bit so that it looks like they're lifting simultaneously?

When Ursa starts to lift it's at the correct angle, but then as she continues to lift Narn's side of the bus seems to raise too, then we cut inside the bus, and then to Non starting to lift. It is inconsistent, and is exactly the type of thing that I always try to fix. In an earlier edit, I fixed it by cutting away from Ursa when she got to about waist level. That worked fine, but as I was polishing yesterday, I forgot why I did that, and noticed that the cut didn't match with the next shot of the lady in the bus. Looking behind her, out the window she's obviously further off the ground. So I put it back to the way it is here, without thinking about the reason I changed it in the first place. I'm glad you pointed it out. It will be improved in the final cut.

3) When Superman says "No, don't do it! etc..." After he says "No!", he gets this sort of weird half-smirk on his face, as if Reeve feels that the line is kinda corny and can't keep from laughing...is there any way to cut around that?


I never thought of it as a smirk. It always looked to me like a panicked, pained expression, but still, I did think it looked a little goofy. In a previous edit I covered it with the shot of people hanging their arms out of the bus. It's the only relevant shot that is long enough to cover his expression, and it does add to the feeling of danger. Unfortunately it doesn't match up with the shot a split second later of the bus being thrown. There are no arms hanging outside of the bus then. I picked what I thought was the lesser of two evils, but now I can't help but see it as a smirk too and it bothers me. I'm definitely making a note of this and will probably change it back. This is one of several moments in the movie where I wish I had access to the alternate takes...

BTW, what software are you using to your editing and special effects?


For editing I'm using Premiere Pro, and for fx I'm using After Effects and Photoshop. Although I had my problems in the past, Premiere has improved over the years. It still has some goofy bugs, but nothing that causes me much frustration or lost efficiency. I can't say enough good about After Effects. Once you get past the learning curve, it is the coolest, most powerful program I've ever worked with. My only criticism of it is that the motion tracker is not up to professional quality. But still, if I could find a job using only After Effects all day long, I'd be a pretty happy man.

Thanks to everyone for the feedback!
-T



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For the shot of him yelling, would it be possible to use a shot showing him from behind, standing on the street, or some other shot that you've cut, yet doesn't show his face, so you can sync the audio to it?

And I'll have to check out Premiere...been meaning to, but it seems like it has a steep learning curve. Lately I've been trying to get into Sony Vegas...maybe I'll have to do a little contrast and compare when I get a chance.
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Don't think that the smirk is just something we jumped all over. I've noticed it before your edit and in fact that's not the only time he does it across the Sup movies.

Dr. M

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Just for fun, here's a little contest. The first person to post the exact source of the following 1.5 second shot that I'm using in the new ending, will get a free copy of the finished dvd, whenever it's done.

Clark Reacts (200kb divx) <----- Right Click & Save



Also, does anyone have a hi-res copy of this scene?

Deleted Scene (1.5mb animated gif)

If you can get me a copy of good enough resolution that I can use it, I'll also send you a copy of the DVD when it's done and put your name in the credits.

And to follow up on the bus throw discussion, here's my update:

Bus Throw 2.0 (4mb divx) <----- Right Click & Save

Better? Worse?

Thanks!
-T

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Yup, v2.0 is better. (And I do see improvement in the bus lifting.)

I think maybe it would be better if you cut the two words "the people" altogether. (Just leave "Don't do it.")
Cutting away from it makes it feel rushed, keeping the video shows the smirk. I don't think you can win with it. Also (and maybe it's just me) his tone in delivering the line is still pretty poor.
(Mind you, you can't edit by committee, do what you feel is right.)

Dr. M

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That 1.5 second shot looks strange...almost makes me think you took a shot from Superman Returns and morphed Reeves' face on it....strange.
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
I think maybe it would be better if you cut the two words "the people" altogether. (Just leave "Don't do it.")
Cutting away from it makes it feel rushed, keeping the video shows the smirk. I don't think you can win with it. Also (and maybe it's just me) his tone in delivering the line is still pretty poor.

I like Reeves delivery here. Keep in mind the context. This takes place after all of the other action in the city. Superman caught the falling spire that almost crushes a mom and her child, Zod starts blowing up cars, which Superman isn't fast enough to stop, he barely stops Zod from blowing up a 18 wheeler, and now they're throwing buses full of people around. He just gave up a life as Lois's love so he could get his powers back to save these people, and he realizes he's unable to. He's desperate and as they're throwing the bus he's yelling "the people" helplessly.

Originally posted by: Doctor M
That 1.5 second shot looks strange...almost makes me think you took a shot from Superman Returns and morphed Reeves' face on it....strange.


Nope, it's not from Superman Returns.


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Not sure you can express WOW big enough for this.
I like what I see and would love to see the whole thing.
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I'm happy either way - with or without "the people". But I have to say that I like v2 much better. It's the perfect edit for the scene now, imho. I agree that the cut away from Reeves and to the shot of the bus feels rushed but it's the only way to get rid of the goofy grin - which is an important thing to get rid of as it doesn't sit well.

I have no idea what the Reeve reaction clip is from. Spider-Man? Lol.

As for the deleted scene, isn't that scene in the film? Or is there a similar scene and I'm just getting confused?

To contact me outside the forum, for trades and such my email address is my OT.com username @gmail.com

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Originally posted by: klokwerk
I have no idea what the Reeve reaction clip is from. Spider-Man? Lol.

Nope. I'm only planning on using footage from the first four Superman movies.

As for the deleted scene, isn't that scene in the film? Or is there a similar scene and I'm just getting confused?


No, I found it here: http://www.capedwonder.com/newwebsite/pages/multimedia.htm

It was scanned from a rare 16mm print that he has. He won't part with a higher resolution version.

-T

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Originally posted by: Taolar
Just for fun, here's a little contest. The first person to post the exact source of the following 1.5 second shot that I'm using in the new ending, will get a free copy of the finished dvd, whenever it's done.

Clark Reacts (200kb divx) <----- Right Click & Save

Well Clark in that shot is from the mugger scene in the alley from S:TM, when Clark is trying to disuade the mugger. As for the background, I have no idea. Do I still get credit?


Regardless I look forward to seeing this exciting project, Taolar. It's so good to see a renewed interest in the Superman films with the DVD Release and the movie franchise finally going strong again.
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Originally posted by: Commander CourageWell Clark in that shot is from the mugger scene in the alley from S:TM, when Clark is trying to disuade the mugger. As for the background, I have no idea. Do I still get credit?


That's good enough for me! The background was taken from earlier in that scene as the mugger is pulling them into the alley. Good eye! PM me your address and I'll send off the DVD when it's done.

-T

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Hi Tooler just sent you a PM with a rapid share link for the deleted scene your after hope you can use it but if not all the best with your project we are allwaiting with bated breath.
Shane
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Originally posted by: lorang
Hi Tooler just sent you a PM with a rapid share link for the deleted scene your after hope you can use it but if not all the best with your project we are allwaiting with bated breath.
Shane


I was hoping for something of higher quality, but I'll see what I can do with it. PM me your address, and I'll send you the finished DVD.

Thanks!!

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There's good in the Original Trilogy, and it's worth fighting for.
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
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Where the hell did that Brando footage come from? That was great.
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That did make me laugh, good job! first time for me to see some of those bloopers.
Can't wait for the finished product!
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Thanks everybody! I'm glad it got some laughs.

Originally posted by: tweaker
Where the hell did that Brando footage come from? That was great.


The Brando footage is from a bluescreen blooper on the "You Will Believe" documentary. Reeve's reaction is from a different part of that same documentary. The background is from the Donner cut. That documentary is part of the Ultimate dvd set, and is a lot of fun. There's tons more good stuff in there.

I would love to see someone take all that, and stuff culled from all the other documentaries, and do a "Deleted Magic" with the first movie. There's more than enough cool footage.

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Good luck getting this finished Taolar, the new trailer is great! After Star Wars, Superman is probably my favourite film franchise so I'm really excited to see this when complete

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Thanks Pupil! I'm working on it, although not as much as I'd like. I took a break from the important stuff over the weekend and worked on the titles, which are turning out nice.

I hope you're doing better!
-T

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Hey everyone,

I'm going to be in Denver, CO on April 28th, showing a private screening of SoJ. If you're interested in seeing the work in progress, PM me!

-T

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