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Superman by Taolar (Formally: Son of Jorel) WORKPRINT AVAILABLE — Page 5
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
I hereby bestow upon you the title of most insane fan editor... ever.
the new footage is live action
I hereby bestow upon you the title of most insane fan editor... ever.
What a coincidence, my wife already thinks I'm the most insane husband ever. She's very tired of staring at the back of my head and hasn't been quiet about it. It doesn't help that she doesn't really understand/appreciate our fascination with the whole fan edit concept. But after being party to what got shot on Saturday, she said she's actually looking forward to seeing the final product, and decided she'd give me "all the time you need" to get it right.
So at least my marriage won't be destroyed by this project.
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
SOTDS? I'm not familiar with that one... can you give the full title or a link to the thread?
SOTDS? I'm not familiar with that one... can you give the full title or a link to the thread?
Trooperman's Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side
I have been watching this thread. Pretty cool. I haven't been able to check out the clips yet, but I'm very interested in this. Too bad I can't go to the screening...
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What should I have been seeing?
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"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
SOTDS? I'm not familiar with that one... can you give the full title or a link to the thread?
SOTDS? I'm not familiar with that one... can you give the full title or a link to the thread?
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
Um I was actually referring to the SoJ clips... that being the thread's topic.
Um I was actually referring to the SoJ clips... that being the thread's topic.
I thought you were talking about SOTDS too. I'm confused. Other than reformatting the first page, and including the youtube links, I haven't changed anything recently.
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But I was saying on the clips you do have, I'm not sure what's different in your version versus what's already been released.
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
I know you haven't changed anything.
But I was saying on the clips you do have, I'm not sure what's different in your version versus what's already been released.
I know you haven't changed anything.
But I was saying on the clips you do have, I'm not sure what's different in your version versus what's already been released.
Who are you? And what have you done with the real Doctor M?
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I've been interested in this edit based only on your description of what you're doing.
I never found anything in the trailers that gave a sense of what's new/different (which is true for many edits).
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
Lol.
I've been interested in this edit based only on your description of what you're doing.
I never found anything in the trailers that gave a sense of what's new/different (which is true for many edits).
Lol.
I've been interested in this edit based only on your description of what you're doing.
I never found anything in the trailers that gave a sense of what's new/different (which is true for many edits).
Ok, I get you. Well I am withholding most of the changes just to keep things a surprise. That's why I released teasers instead of real trailers. Rather than give anything specific away, I decided to just explain my philosophy towards editing the movies. Basically its to cut out what is lame, campy, and unintentionally unfunny, if it isn't necessary to the plot. Remove any continuity errors. Re-edit scenes if it will intensify the mood or speed up the pace in the action sequences closer to what's expected in modern action films. Improve any effects that I can. Focus more on Kal-el's relationship with Jor-el. Try to bring the entire film down to under 3 hours. And do everything in such a way that someone who isn't very familiar with the movies won't notice that I did anything.
And since I didn't like the way either Superman 2 wrapped up, I created a new, darker ending that fits fairly well with Superman Returns.
I realeased the train chase clip mostly as an example of that philosophy, and to show that I know how to edit. Its good to hear that you didn't notice what was changed!
If you compare it to the original, you'll see that I removed the ugliest running shots. I ramped up the pace a bit, and edited it so that Clark cares about not being seen by the girl's mom. I also removed the sequence aboard the train because:
1. Unless she was blind the mom would have seen Cark, yet she says she doesn't believe the girl.
2. The mom calls the girl Lois. That would mean Los is around 8 or 10 years younger than Clark.
3. It bothers me when movies try to link characters together in the past for no good reason. Lois saw Clark when she was a kid, C3P0 was made by Darth Vader, etc. It just a directors wink at the audience and it pulls me out of a movie.
4. The father tells her she has a "writers gift for invention", another wink at the audience.
And then I released the "De-Fifed" clip just to prove that I could the effects.
I'm very hesitant about releasing anything else. But after the test screening this weekend, I guess I should probably post something new.
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Excitedly Anticipating a release!
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Originally posted by: pupil
Excitedly Anticipating a release!
Excitedly Anticipating a release!
Thanks Pupil! I hope you're recovering is going well!
The test screening is at 3:30 today. I was up until 3 this morning encoding the video, and just wok up to continue working on the temporary audio mix, which is definitely my weakest area...
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So, quickly, while she's out, I'll go over the test screening. I was up until 2am on Thursday working on the first half (which is basically Sup1) quickly doing work on the fx that were necessary to the plot. We're talking really bad fx (like the smear job under the Landspeeder in the original Star Wars) and then left it to render the mpeg2. My son decided to get up at 6am the next morning, so that was 4 hours of sleep, but I scheduled friday off from work, so I got to do more sloppy fx work on part 2 all day. I spent too much time polishing the end, so I was up until 3am. I left it rendering, and set my alarm for 7:30. So after another 4 hours of sleep I started on the audio mix of disc 1 Saturday morning. The best I could do is blend some tracks together, and for major edits where clips were re-arranged (like the destruction of krypton sequence) I just removed the surround sound track which had most of the original music, keeping the center channel, and found a good place to lay down the music only track. I'm so glad they provided the isolated score on Sup1 dvd. There were still some harsh audio transitions, and I'm sure the levels fluxuated a lot, but I just didn't have the time to rewatch the whole thing, so I rendered the audio and loaded them into Adobe Encore to make the DVD. The program muxed the audio and video together and then I get a "Unknown Error -1". WTF??? A quick search for an answer on the Adobe forums came up with nothing useful. The movie marathon started at noon, and here I was at home at 11 with no superman. So I searched around and found DVD Lab Pro that I had installed a long time ago. Loaded it up and started the muxing process which took so much longer than with Encore. But it did finish, and I left my house at 11:45 and made it to the location just at noon. First on the movie marathon was Deleted Magic, which everyone enjoyed. I set my computer up in another room and started burning the first disc. Then I had an intemission of 1/2 hour to let more people arrive. We ended up with 8 people at the test screening. I gave a little introduction on Fan Edits, a quick history of the making of the first two Superman movies, and what I was doing with them. Two of the people had seen the both movies in the last few years, everyone else hadn't seen them in a long time. That was perfect. So after explaining that most of the effects were only temporary and that the audio mix will probably be horrendous, I started the showing. I hung around for the Krypton scenes, and they looked great on the 8 foot screen.
I snuck back to work on the audio for disc 2. Unfortunately Sup2 dvd doesn't come with an isolated music track, so I had to fill in the major edits with music from Sup1. The ending took the most work because I was replacing almost all of the audio, and even had ten new lines of dialog that I wanted to blend in. The rest of the movie could survive a bad audo mix. But I was afraid the new ending would fall apart if it was obvious that it wasn't a scene from the original films. Time flew by way too quickly and the first half of SoJ was done and I still hadn't rendered the audio for disc 2. So I threw on a disc of short film intermissions that I had put together, and started rendering. I had a fresh disc about 1/2 hour later and was glad to be able to sit down and watch it all myself.
Although I'm very happy with the way the first half turned out, after seeing it on a big screen I realized the second half is now my favorite. Out of the two, the second movie had the most room for improvement, and at a lean, mean 74 minutes, it works very well. Although it still has its share of levity, it is mostly dark as hell. And the new ending... well, I can't describe it as a happy one. There's no time travel or amnesia kiss in this movie. Things aren't neatly put back to the way they were. At best the mood is more of a melancholy hopefulness, sort of like the end of Empire Strikes Back.
The greatest thing was that no one noticed that the new footage didn't belong, except for the actor himself and my wife, who was present during taping. Until we started giggling uncontrollably, no one knew anything was up. They were just going with it.
The only suggestions I got from the audience was the audio levels in a few spots (which I expected), and fixing some rough edits, which are already planned with FX. They said it moved along at a good pace and except for one cut plot point, which I was hoping no one would pick up on, everything made sense. I'm sure I can fix that with some more FX work, although it will take some work. But everyone enjoyed it, and even the people that had seen it recently weren't that sure of what I changed. One person, who wasn't a big fan of the original superman movies said that he really liked it, especially Superman 2 (which he HATED in the theatre).
So enough congratulating myself... I'll be back to work next week. I'm actually going to enjoy the break!
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"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
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BTW, the DIVX compression made everyone look like they have a sunburn. The final DVD will NOT look like that...
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I do have three suggestions:
1) I think you could stand to hold to a second or two more of the action inside the bus as it's rolling--it looks pretty real, which offsets the kind of unrealistic effect of it being initially thrown.
2) When Ursa and Non are lifting up the bus, you see Ursa lifting first, and the bus looks pretty horizontal, then a look elsewhere, then a look at Non, who only then begins to lift up his end of the bus. Could you reedit that a bit so that it looks like they're lifting simultaneously?
3) When Superman says "No, don't do it! etc..." After he says "No!", he gets this sort of weird half-smirk on his face, as if Reeve feels that the line is kinda corny and can't keep from laughing...is there any way to cut around that?
This isn't in any way a critique of your work--you do a really could job. It's just a tricky scene, that due to the nature of sfx at the time as well as some kinda crappy acting on Reeve's part in that one scene, has some really distracting clunky bits. So...whatever magic you can work would help.
BTW, what software are you using to your editing and special effects?
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If I had just seen the Donner footage I would have said there was nothing wrong with it. And then the SoJ version has a real economy to it and makes it a much better action beat. Kudos.
I disagree with a lot of what Tweaker said. I don't see a problem with the pace or the lifting.
I do agree that Reeves has a stupid grin on his face. It looks like you could fix that by cutting away from him sooner (keep the audio but put it over other footage).
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
Wow, this is one of those instances that shows that the editor is an important aspect of any film.
If I had just seen the Donner footage I would have said there was nothing wrong with it. And then the SoJ version has a real economy to it and makes it a much better action beat. Kudos.
I disagree with a lot of what Tweaker said. I don't see a problem with the pace or the lifting.
I do agree that Reeves has a stupid grin on his face. It looks like you could fix that by cutting away from him sooner (keep the audio but put it over other footage).
Wow, this is one of those instances that shows that the editor is an important aspect of any film.
If I had just seen the Donner footage I would have said there was nothing wrong with it. And then the SoJ version has a real economy to it and makes it a much better action beat. Kudos.
I disagree with a lot of what Tweaker said. I don't see a problem with the pace or the lifting.
I do agree that Reeves has a stupid grin on his face. It looks like you could fix that by cutting away from him sooner (keep the audio but put it over other footage).
My first suggestion was just an off the top of my head thing, but I think #3 is of real importance, and #2, the lifting of the bus, is fairly necessary, as it's such an obvious editing issue. Ursa lifts the bus, with the bus coming off the ground parallel to the ground, then several seconds later, Non picks up his end, which should already be in the air, according to how it looks from Ursa's end. It just looks...icky.
But that's small potatoes to Reeve's grin. I love the scene as a whole, but there's just some weird crap going on there.
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