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WTF? Someone please explain how Superman could return to a planet that no longer exists...

With any comic book movie, I think it is imperitive to collaborate with definitive writers of the respective characters' comics a la Sin City.

A Wonder Woman movie should have heavy involvement with Greg Rucka, as he's the best Wonder Woman writer at present. A Green Lantern movie with either Geoff Johns or Darwyn Cooke. A Swamp Thing/Watchmen with Alan Moore. A Batman OR Superman movie with Jeph Loeb. An X-MEN with JOSS WHEDON!
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Yes, I totally overlooked that somehow when I read ADM's post. How can he return to a non-existant planet? If that's the case, I'm glad it was cut!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Read my last post again. He returned to rubble. The planet was gone, as we know it to be. I think the line he said was "That place is nothing but a graveyard." The shots in the trailer looked like he was navigating an asteroid field.

He didn't go home to sunny Krypton, don't worry. That crap was in J.J. Abrams script.
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Whoops. I guess greencapt's post diverted my attention.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Whoops. I guess greencapt's post diverted my attention.


I apparently have that effect on people.
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I almost added that to my last post.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Yeah, basically. Mark's pretty geeked out about comic books. Who better to ask than him? ^_^

I think that the reason most people like other comic book characters over Superman, is because he's too much of a boy scout. He has not inner turmoil that makes him cool. Plus, unlike the other superheroes, we can't achive his status. He's an alien. At least with Spider-Man or the X-Men we could have a chance, and with Batman we could be just like him too, but Superman? No. We really can't be him.

So the only way for Superman to be cool is to have him act like a pretentious prick?


if inner turmoil = pretensious prick then yeah. but your the only one that said that. you can have inner turmoil without being an ass
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Anyone can relate to Superman - he's an alien in an alien world, trying to fit in with everyone else. He's trying to set an example of hope for the world, but at the same time, he's trying to lead a 'normal' personal life.
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Yeah, and that's a cool angle, but the old comics and TV cartoons and stuff didn't focus on that, they focussed on him being a big, strong, square jawed all American hero. I can't realate to that, can you?

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Jor-El (voiceover): I worry that my son might not understand what I've tried to be. And if I were to be killed, Lara, I would want someone to go to my home and tell my son everything. Everything I did, everything you saw, because there's nothing that I detest more than the stench of lies. And if you understand me Lara, you will do this for me.

I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream. That's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight... razor... and surviving. Oh and Kryptonite... that stuff sting like a mutha.



Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

You forgot the part where he says: "I'm a superstitious man, and if some unlucky accident should befall Kal-El - if he is to be shot in the head by a police officer, or be found hung dead in a jail cell... or if he should be struck by a bolt of lightning - then I'm going to blame some of the people on your planet; and then I do not forgive. But with said, I pledge - on the souls of my grandchildren - that I will not be the one to break the peace that we have made today. "

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What was up with the Celephome "S" he throws in Superman 2.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
What was up with the Celephome "S" he throws in Superman 2.


Exactly...I also said this in the other Superman thread, but what's with all the dissappering and reappering shit at the end of Supes 2?

And if Superman is faster than a bullet, why does it take him like 5 mins to get from Metropolis to Paris?

I'm only fucking around, who really gives a shit, it's just a film!!


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Originally posted by: HotRod
Originally posted by: sean wookie
What was up with the Celephome "S" he throws in Superman 2.


Exactly...I also said this in the other Superman thread, but what's with all the dissappering and reappering shit at the end of Supes 2?

And if Superman is faster than a bullet, why does it take him like 5 mins to get from Metropolis to Paris?

I'm only fucking around, who really gives a shit, it's just a film!!
I always wondered how and why in the film Superman sort of 'faded' from Clark Kent to Superman. He didn't get undressed to reveal the superman suit underneath, he just sort of 'faded'. Even in the revolving doors it didn't look like there was any undressing going on, just 'fading'.

Anyone got an answer for me? Huh?

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Originally posted by: HotRod
Originally posted by: sean wookie
What was up with the Celephome "S" he throws in Superman 2.


Exactly...I also said this in the other Superman thread, but what's with all the dissappering and reappering shit at the end of Supes 2?

And if Superman is faster than a bullet, why does it take him like 5 mins to get from Metropolis to Paris?

I'm only fucking around, who really gives a shit, it's just a film!!
I always wondered how and why in the film Superman sort of 'faded' from Clark Kent to Superman. He didn't get undressed to reveal the superman suit underneath, he just sort of 'faded'. Even in the revolving doors it didn't look like there was any undressing going on, just 'fading'.

Anyone got an answer for me? Huh?


just an artistic way of showing the speed at which he changed
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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Yeah. And speaking of fading, when he went in the molecule chamber, his super self just sort of faded away, leaving him in street clothes. Yet Zod & company didn't also fade into street clothes when they got zapped. What's up with that?

And that guy kept talking on the phone even when Zod & company had blown him horizontal. What's up with that?

And in Superman IV his hair is strong enough to hold up a 1,000 pound weight, but Lex can cut it down with a pair of scissors? What's up with that?

And at the end of II he said he'd been away for a while, and then goes on a five year trek to Krypton? What's up with that?

And he's from some other planet in some other galaxy, yet they speak English. What's up with that?

We could nitpick all day, or we could just enjoy the films. Even Richard Pryor.
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I'm not nitpicking - all the stuff you just mentioned doesn't bother me. I was just wondering about the fading. I thought maybe there was something in the comics to explain it, like a symbiote suit or something (obviously not a symbiote suit but some canon explanation). I seem to remember in some old comic the reason nobody put two and two together and made the obvious connection between Clark and Superman was that he was doing some kind of mental projection trick to make them see a nerd instead of a buff guy in glasses, thought it might be something like that.

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Yeah, and that's a cool angle, but the old comics and TV cartoons and stuff didn't focus on that, they focussed on him being a big, strong, square jawed all American hero. I can't realate to that, can you?


Yeah, that's why I liked the Lois and Clark series so much. When Dean Cain explained their take on Superman, it actually reminded me of the opposite of Batman. With Batman, they always say that Batman is actually the real person, and the outward Bruce Wayne is the disguise. Dean said that Clark was the real guy, and that Superman was the disguise. I actually think the character said it best when he said, "Superman is what I can do. Clark is who I am." So it focuses more on the human side, which I like.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I agree with Gaffer on that and that leads to something that annoys the piss out of me with 'Superman Returns', at least inasmuch as we've seen so far- Clark, the 'real' person, was brought up well by good parents who helped him to believe in himself and believe in what he was put on this world to do. So why oh why restart a franchise of films with a whiny bitching 'Oh whoa is me why am I here nobody needs me my girlfriend has a baby' soap opera bullshit? Do people occasionally feel that way in real life? Yes of course. Is that what Superman is all about? Hell no... not by any stretch of the imagination. So I suppose one of my greatest fears of this film is that a new generation of filmgoers will have Superman defined to them in this way. Just like a generation of filmgoers, god forbid, define Star Wars based on the prequel films.

I have previously enjoyed Bryan Singer's work but this just smacks of someone who JUST DOESN'T GET IT. I honestly feel that Singer had a crush on Christopher Reeve when he was a kid and saw the original Superman films and probably didn't think of Superman again until he heard the atrocious (IMHO) song by Five For Fighting:
I cant stand to fly
Im not that naive
Im just out to find
The better part of me

Im more than a bird...Im more than a plane
More than some pretty face beside a train
Its not easy to be me

Wish that I could cry
Fall upon my knees
Find a way to lie
About a home Ill never see

It may sound absurd...but dont be naive
Even heroes have the right to bleed
I may be disturbed...but wont you concede
Even heroes have the right to dream
Its not easy to be me

Up, up and away...away from me
Its all right...you can all sleep sound tonight
Im not crazy...or anything...

I cant stand to fly
Im not that naive
Men werent meant to ride
With clouds between their knees

Im only a man in a silly red sheet
Digging for kryptonite on this one way street
Only a man in a funny red sheet
Looking for special things inside of me
Inside of me
Inside me
Yeah, inside me
Inside of me

Im only a man
In a funny red sheet
Im only a man
Looking for a dream

Im only a man
In a funny red sheet
And its not easy, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm...

Its not easy to be me


That song makes me freakin' cringe everytime I hear it because again- THAT IS NOT SUPERMAN. A character will THAT much self-doubt and THAT much power is a freaking time-bomb ready to go off. One of the great things about Superman as a character is exactly the fact that he was raised well enough to put the personal petty shit aside so he can help people.

I'm not saying that, oh, maybe the 3rd film in a new franchise might not want to *touch* on some of that stuff but you FIRST need to establish WHO and WHAT a character is. Warner Brothers MUST know that most kids seeing this film will probably not have seen the earlier films so their only view of Superman will be a confused, pathetic wimp who ran away from trouble. Hell I even like 'Superman II' and I had a problem with him giving up his powers so he could score with Lois. And for those who say 'he's so old-fashioned and such a boy-scout' I counter with- yeah? So what? What the hell is wrong with having morals and values and being willing to use them to help people. In fact I'd challenge those who think heroes should have more 'inner turmoil' and be more like 'outsiders' or 'conflicted' to re-think Superman as a character- because these days if you DO have morals and if you ARE more of a boy-scout you ARE an outsider. Being a decent citizen and helping people with little thought for yourself IS different from the norm.

And that's what I had hoped audiences could get from this film. And maybe they will, but as I've seen nearly every 'spoiler' on the flick as well as having thumbed through the novelization I don't think this will be the case. You'll get, to paraphrase Bryan Singer, 'chick-flick' mentality with some well-done special effects. Well my friends good special effects do not a movie make (ie the Star Wars prequels, Matrix II & III). Do I think this film will be *bad*? No of course not, at least in a production value kind of way. Is it what Superman is all about? Not in my book... but then again, WTF do I know?
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For a better Superman song, try The Flaming Lips "Waitin' for a Superman." I think they should've used this in connection with the new film, as it really addresses the theme of Superman leaving and if/when he's coming back.

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The reviews seem to agree with you thus far, greencapt. I'm almost afraid to see it.

For those of you with questions about Superman II, check out the Superman II: Donner's Cut thread somewhere around here. The real answer is that the movie changed directors half-way through and so half of the stuff probably doesn't even make sense.
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The iTunes Music Store has a free two and a half minute clip from the movie that looks so incredibly cool. I don't want to let it happen, but I'm falling hook, line, and Singer for the hype surrounding this movie. Sorry about the pun.
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Originally posted by: Bossk
The iTunes Music Store has a free two and a half minute clip from the movie that looks so incredibly cool. I don't want to let it happen, but I'm falling hook, line, and Singer for the hype surrounding this movie. Sorry about the pun.


I am too, Bossk, but part of that is that I am a Superman fan and desperately want this movie to be good, even if I'm afraid that it won't be. If for nothing else, than it has been quite a bit of time between Superman IV and Superman Returns, and I'm afraid that if Superman Returns bombs, then it will be another 20 years or longer until we get another Superman movie.