Superman Movie — Page 11

Originally posted by: Warbler


No thats not true! Thats impossible!!!!!!!!
*runs and hides*

"We're hewing very closely to the basic character concepts as envisioned by Superman's creators - a champion of the weak and oppressed, a social crusader - and, without ever taking away from him that he's the best of the good guys.

"We tend to get ourselves into a trap with any long-running character that this or that is the 'right' version, accept no substitutes, but the wonder and magic of these guys is that they're stronger than that, more mythic.

"Who is the 'real' Batman? The current DC version? Sure, you can make a strong case for that. But what about the WB animated Batman? He's known worldwide by far more people than buy his comic every month. Or take Spider-Man? Was his first love Mary Jane Watson? About $400 million worth of ticket-buyers would say 'yes.'

"As long as the spirit of the character endures - as long as any story is told with love and respect for that character, as long as his basic concept hews true - how do details like that really matter? Did Superman land on Earth as an embryo or an infant or a toddler? What's Santa Claus's real name, Kris Kringle or Pere Noel?

"What 'becomes' the accepted Superman canon is beyond anyone's control. It's what the general public decides it is. Which is kind of my point - that, ultimately, it's more up to the readers than to the writers what to accept and what to reject. All we can do is interpret the legend in as exciting, modern and dynamic a way as we can envision - the rest is out of our control."

Originally posted by: Darth Simon
those old 40's war propoganda comics arent relavent to the topic at hand (imho). Something like that would never be published today as its a different time, but its still likely that a comic with superman holding the american flag on the cover would be. You are right, something like that would never be published today because current attitudes have changed. For the same reason, perhaps the 'American Way' slogan may also need some revision. I know that in America rigth now, patriotism is a big thing, and rightly so. In fact, I admire America's national pride and I think England could benefit from some of that. However, from an international marketing P.O.V, I understand the change. I agree the line should have been omitted altogether though instead of being watered down into a rather lame joke. Who know though - perhaps in context the line will work.

Being an American, you probably won't spot what I am talking about, because it is done to cater to America and make Americans like it better, but as an English person watching an English show, I cringe every time something is added or said to make the show more American friendly. British humour, British story telling, etc are different to American styles, and many nuances and subtle things are lost on the Americans (my wife is American and she is living proof of this - I do not think it is the same the other way round though because we (the english and the rest of the world) are much more exposed to American media. In fact, perhaps this is also a factor in why our TV and movies are beginning to seem 'more American'. For example, in Doctor Who, some of the British slang is changed and there are a lot more Americanisms added. There are a lot more American characters (I don't know if you have reached the Captain Jack episodes yet, but he is an American guy - I actually quite like his character so I am not grumbling about having an American actor on board, just pointing it out). The whole feel of the show is a lot more 'American' in an attempt to make it blend in more with American TV and not stand out as some obscure British thing that the general public won't want to see. You may also notice that the episodes are 45 minutes long (which means that, with commercials, they will be an hour in America). Doctor Who has ALWAYS been 30 minutes long, and the BBC does not show commercials so it was a perfect length, so this chnage has obviously been introduced to aid US sydication. However, I like longer episodes because you get more story, so again, I'm not complaining.

I'm having trouble explaining exactly what I mean, and as an American I imagine it will be very difficult for you to spot or understand exactly what I am saying, because the things I am talking about will not seem out of place to you because they are included to make the viewing experience less jarring for you, but just take my word for it - Doctor Who has been 'tweaked' to better suit America, and so have many, many other British things. I think we are slowly losing our identity. Oh well.

P.S That British Superman really does look like a dick. I'm surprised he's not drinking a cup of tea with his little finger sticking out.

P.P.S Warb, the second series of the New Doctor Who is starting here later this month, starring David Tennant as the new doctor.

Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
I HAVE TO RESPECT ALL OF YOU GUYS RIGHT NOW. THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DEBATE, AND NOBODY HAS RESORTED TO NAME CALLING, ECT. GOOD JOB, GUYS. THIS IS THE WAY A DEBATE SHOULD BE.

Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Yes, it's true - we rock.

Originally posted by: theredbaron

Same thing with Australian movies in the US - The Castle, a great Australian comedy (with its comedy based entirely in how ridiculously over-Australian the main characters are), had a lot of the jokes and slang changed for American audiences. I don't know whether or not American audiences found it funny or not, but Americans that I knew who visited here had a blast watching it in its purest form. The thing with some of these movies is, if you don't get the slang, you won't get the jokes - and in the case of The Castle - the slang was the joke. Of course, you Poms wouldn't have a problem with it, and nor do we with your stuff. Australians too are familiar with most forms of Western slang, due to frequent exposure to both American and British media (although a British ex-patriat in Australia recently invited me to his "gaff" which I could only determine from the context, meant his "house"!).

I've wondered recently if they made any changes to the American version of Wolf Creek - boy did that do wonders for Australia's tourism industry - now I don't even want to trek out to central Australia!

Originally posted by: theredbaronSame thing with Australian movies in the US - The Castle, a great Australian comedy (with its comedy based entirely in how ridiculously over-Australian the main characters are), had a lot of the jokes and slang changed for American audiences. I don't know whether or not American audiences found it funny or not, but Americans that I knew who visited here had a blast watching it in its purest form. The thing with some of these movies is, if you don't get the slang, you won't get the jokes - and in the case of The Castle - the slang was the joke. Of course, you Poms wouldn't have a problem with it, and nor do we with your stuff. Australians too are familiar with most forms of Western slang, due to frequent exposure to both American and British media (although a British ex-patriat in Australia recently invited me to his "gaff" which I could only determine from the context, meant his "house"!).

I've wondered recently if they made any changes to the American version of Wolf Creek - boy did that do wonders for Australia's tourism industry - now I don't even want to trek out to central Australia!
But what I'm talking about is different - in your example, the movie was shown in one form to native australians, and another form to foreign Americans. What I am talking about is not 2 different versions for two different markets but one version that tries to cater to both markets- we get the same version the americans get, but it has been written and crafted for the american market from the offset. A British TV show made in Britain but in an American style. It's like they would rather please America than please the people in teh country it actually came from. Which is probably true, come to think of it.

Originally posted by: HotRod
Damn me and my wild, reckless youth. Just because I done a few naughty things when I was younger, looks like I'll have to stay in this bloody shit hole of a country!

Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
I still have the first issue to feature that suit (with the glow in the dark cover) somewhere at my parents house.
It wasn't just a new suit though, it was something to do with Superman turning to pure energy and he needed the suit to be able to have any shape or form.

Originally posted by: HotRod
NEW TRAILER

Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
No idea. I bought that issue out of pure curiosity but don't know anything about events leading up to it.

Originally posted by: Darth Simon
redbaron, nice quote there.

I read superman for all seasons a while back when it first came out, thats at the time that i was partially drawn back into the comic scene. Id probably get into it now if i could afford it. From what i remember it was good. I read the novelization of Death and life of Superman and that spurred me to get the comic (i got the tpb i think their called, all the comics put together in one book) good read.

anyone remember this re-invention of superman



from what i remember he didnt take with fans too well and they scrapped him.

-Darth Simon

Originally posted by: Darth Simon
I bought it cause it glowed in the dark