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When WB did their restoration in 2000, I think they had access to whatever cut negative of the deleted scenes was needed for Richard Donner to insert the eight minutes that were edited back to the film, which is why the sections were presented in widescreen on the blu ray.

This will probably be my last post about this for a while (everything else I’ve had to say about STM RIC has already been said), except I’m sure more will be said when and if WB and/or Criterion makes any official announcement on a definitive edition of STM for the upcoming 40th anniversary. In the meantime I hope I have cleared some of the air on the state of the STM RIC.

“Hear you nothing that I say?”
-Yoda

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Thanks for the info, hiphats. Always love new information. Thanks again for sharing.

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A hi-def blu release of the full 3 hour and 8 minute version would be boss. First day buy for me. Thanks for the info!!

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Perhaps the deleted scenes on the DVD/BD were indeed from the original elements, combined with the mono TV cut mix. I know that the Blazing Saddles releases with its deleted scenes also have them in widescreen, but with the censored TV audio. I believe that the same thing happened with The Goonies as well, they’re in widescreen but with a full mix and at least one instance of redubbed profanity. I’ve always wondered if they had some kind of widescreen master that was used to make the pan and scan (like the so-called “director’s cut” of Supergirl which has mono sound and censored dialogue characteristic of a TV version), or if it was restored picture conformed to the P&S TV cut and synched to the audio.

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TServo2049 said:

Perhaps the deleted scenes on the DVD/BD were indeed from the original elements, combined with the mono TV cut mix. I know that the Blazing Saddles releases with its deleted scenes also have them in widescreen, but with the censored TV audio. I believe that the same thing happened with The Goonies as well, they’re in widescreen but with a full mix and at least one instance of redubbed profanity. I’ve always wondered if they had some kind of widescreen master that was used to make the pan and scan (like the so-called “director’s cut” of Supergirl which has mono sound and censored dialogue characteristic of a TV version), or if it was restored picture conformed to the P&S TV cut and synched to the audio.

I’m inclined to think it was the former. The picture quality isn’t all that great for the deleted footage and has not been restored. Seems like a lot of work to go and get the original elements, edit them so they are frame accurate to the TV cut, but present them in SD with no restoration.

In the making of featurette on the Donner Cut, Michael Thau is showing Donner the “Power of Three” deleted scene. You don’t see it but they mention they would have to fix the crappy effect when they break through into the fortress. If the clip was made from the original elements, back to the negative like the rest of the footage, wouldn’t there be no effect?

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Just wondered how these projects are progressing?

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machineric said:

Just wondered how these projects are progressing?

Superman 2 is nearly done. Tyler has been previewing and logging what needs fixing. I think everything has been caught now. Once this latest version has the all clear I’ll get it uploaded.

Still waiting to hear back about new VHS sources to proceed with part 3.

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Thanks for the update Booshman, looking forward to seeing this.

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Hi, sorry for the extra delay, but I think everyone will agree it was worth the wait for the extra I’ve been working on. I’ve re-done the audio in 5.1. As I hadn’t originally planned to do this none of the 6 channel audio was synched up with the RIC. I had just cut the video to the original stereo ac3 file, so I had to do that again from scratch. I then had the issue of the scenes which only exist in stereo in the RIC. I’ve gone and used other scenes where the same music is playing and edited them to fit, or in the circumstances where there were sound effects present, used the FSM soundtrack. Other scenes have no score, so I’ve re-used the ambient effects in the surround channels from similar or the same scenes.

If anyone has a surround sound set up and can watch and offer feedback please let me know. I’d like to have a couple of people give it the once over to make sure there are no issues before the main release.

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Other than my last post, no. I’ve had some good feedback from people with stereo amps, but I haven’t had the audio checked by anyone with a 5.1 setup yet. I don’t want to release it until I know it’s right.

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Update for you…

I have been in touch with The Criterion Collection and it’s head, Jon Mulvaney, concerning and suggesting SUPERMAN, and got a prompt response promising he will share that suggestion with his colleagues at Criterion. And yes, I did suggest they include all three versions of the film (they did with THE NEW WORLD, which is also a Warner title). Considering I did this now since the 40th anniversary is December 2018, if they do go through with this, it will take a long time getting it all together.

The URL is criterion.com if you fans want to suggest this too.

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hiphats said:

Update for you…

I have been in touch with The Criterion Collection and it’s head, Jon Mulvaney, concerning and suggesting SUPERMAN, and got a prompt response promising he will share that suggestion with his colleagues at Criterion. And yes, I did suggest they include all three versions of the film (they did with THE NEW WORLD, which is also a Warner title). Considering I did this now since the 40th anniversary is December 2018, if they do go through with this, it will take a long time getting it all together.

The URL is criterion.com if you fans want to suggest this too.

That’s good to hear, I’ll definitely message them.

In the meantime if anyone wants to preview part 2 on their 5.1 setup let me know. I am eager to get this out, but not before i can verify the sound is ok.

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Booshman said:

In the meantime if anyone wants to preview part 2 on their 5.1 setup let me know. I am eager to get this out, but not before i can verify the sound is ok.

Still waiting on that? I’d say ask the people on the fanedit message board, but I think they have policies against tv edits or non-official releases or something, correct?

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TylerDurden389 said:

Booshman said:

In the meantime if anyone wants to preview part 2 on their 5.1 setup let me know. I am eager to get this out, but not before i can verify the sound is ok.

Still waiting on that? I’d say ask the people on the fanedit message board, but I think they have policies against tv edits or non-official releases or something, correct?

I think you’re right.

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TylerDurden389 said:

Booshman said:

I think you’re right.

Why not just PM some of them with the request? Don’t even talk about it on the board.

To be blunt, because I’ve got better stuff to do than sending out PM’s in the hope that someone will help out with the project. People who frequent FE tend to look on here too. I have some people on fanres who have offered to help, and have given feedback, but none with a 5.1 setup. I guess there isn’t as much interest in this as I thought there was. I’ll just get on with other things until this project can be finished properly.

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Fair enough. Given the HD era we live in now, only hardcore Supes fans who remember the tv edit would have interest, unfortunately. As for ‘other things’ I hope you mean your official HD fan edit of S2.

::puts hands in pockets and walks away slowly, whistling::

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Found from net in few hours:

THE BIGGER PICTURE: A RETROSPECTIVE OF THE EXTENDED VERSION OF SUPERMAN-THE MOVIE

Written exclusively for CapedWonder™.com by Bill Williams

Posted 08 August 2017

There was once a time when movies hardly needed to be expanded beyond what was released in the theaters. Whatever the edit was that came out in theaters satisfied moviegoers, and that was that. The thought of deleted scenes and cut footage was something that hardly crossed the average moviegoer’s mind. I grew up in the era of the 1970’s. Whenever films were shown on television, they would generally be edited for content, language, violence, sexuality, or time constraints to fit within a two- or three-hour time slot, depending on the length of the film. Like most other people, I didn’t give a first thought of anything missing from a movie, whether it was shown in the theaters or on television.

Toward the end of the 1970’s and the start of the 1980’s, something changed. For the first time, you could see a movie with footage added into the context of the film to expand it to a longer running time. Some of the earliest films I recall include Black Sunday, the 1970’s thriller about a zeppelin attack during a football game; Golden Girl, Susan Anton’s feature film debut about a young woman genetically enhanced to compete in athletic games; and Midway, the docudrama about the Battle of Midway. In the case of Golden Girl, I recall seeing a reference in TV Guide that some forty minutes of footage had been added to the 105-minute run time to fit a three-hour time frame. In the case of Midway, twelve minutes of footage had been exclusively shot for incorporation into the film’s television broadcast.

SUPERMAN-THE MOVIE: RESTORED INTERNATIONAL CUT

Posted 05 February 2017

In 2009, a team of Superman movie enthusiasts came together to create the longest known version of Superman-The Movie, containing cut footage from the 1982 ABC-TV broadcast, the 1994 KCOP-TV broadcast, and other sources. The assembly of footage resulted in a robust 188-minute version, appropriately called Superman-The Movie: The Restored International Cut. It is a delight to watch and is presented in pan-and-scan format with mono audio, as originally broadcast on television. Experiencing this edit is like going back in time when television broadcasts of our favorite films were considered “events”.

Thanks to all who worked tirelessly to make this Superman-The Movie: Restored International Cut fan edit a reality, including “Phineasbg” (the main editor), Alex Serpa (the man who first notified me of the project, first heavily promoted the project on-line, and did some early editing), Chad Stevens, and two other contributors. My contribution to the project was a digitally transferred and color corrected file of my personal 16mm film print that contains many key cut scenes. Read more here about the history of this fan edit.

Source: http://www.capedwonder.com/superman-the-movie-extended/

Note: This Extended Cut lenghts: 3h 08m 42s with 29.75fps. Used 16mm and vhs/tv recording sources from preservation.

THE HISTORY OF SUPERMAN II: RESTORED INTERNATIONAL CUT
Written exclusively for CapedWonder™.com by Bill Williams

Posted 20 February 2017

When we think of fan films, we think of underground projects done with very little to almost no money, done for the love of the project with a tip of the hat to those films that inspired us. For me the very first one that comes to my mind is Hardware Wars, a hilarious takeoff of the original Star Wars that in and of itself became a cult classic. In the 1980’s three boys set out to make their own homemade version of Raiders of the Lost Ark, which they did over the course of seven years and only in 2015 were able to finally complete. By the time of the Internet and digital era, fan films took on a new life, with projects such as Star Wars: The Phantom Edit leading the way for the slew of restorations, fan-made extended versions and recuts of beloved films that expanded upon or shortened films for those people with selective tastes (or distastes) for certain projects.

And then there was Superman II.

We are all familiar with the many production troubles that befell the sequel during production in 1977 and later in 1979 and 1980, when Richard Donner was unceremoniously removed from the production and replaced by Richard Lester. His directorial bent towards comedy resulted in a shift in tone for the sequel in numerous places, which to this day are still noticeable when going to the debates. In 1984 fans were first introduced to the extended version of Superman II on ABC, which saw some fifteen minutes of footage added to the film’s broadcast. Over the next few years different versions of the film would appear in various markets around the world, containing even more unseen footage shot by both Donner and Lester.

By this time my parents and I had our first VCR, and I was very fortunate to have recorded the ABC broadcast of Superman II in its second airing in 1985 [the first was on February 20, 1984], and then in its third and final broadcast in 1987. For some reason, something inside told me that I should record the third broadcast – and my instincts were right. In that third and final broadcast, even more footage was included toward the end of the film that had not been seen in its two previous broadcasts. (In later years, during the Internet era, some fans would argue that the added footage at the end of the film was there all along in the first ABC broadcast, but I remember better, for in those pre-VCR days I had recorded the audio from the film, and the footage was not there.) Little would I know at the time how important recording that final broadcast would be.

Source: http://www.capedwonder.com/superman-ii-extended/

Note: This S2 Extended Cut lenght: 150+ minutes. Used vhs/tv recording and overcropped LD/DVD? sources from preservation.

This full movies available in site. (Download size infos: S1 MP4 file very oversized, huge ~7GB. S2 MP4 its minimally correct, ~3GB. 2xDVD5 its ok. ~8GB/movie)

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The updated RIC of S1 on capedwonder is great. I’ve also seen the S2 RIC referred to in the previous post, again on capewonder. Although as it says there, it’s not been restored since 2005. Not being critical but when I saw it, the quality seemed VHS standard. I hope Booshman will soon be able to release his restored version of S2 RIC. It’s such a loved film for so many and there are scenes in that extended version that you don’t see in either the theatrical or Donner versions.

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crystal1 said:

The updated RIC of S1 on capedwonder is great. I’ve also seen the S2 RIC referred to in the previous post, again on capewonder. Although as it says there, it’s not been restored since 2005. Not being critical but when I saw it, the quality seemed VHS standard. I hope Booshman will soon be able to release his restored version of S2 RIC. It’s such a loved film for so many and there are scenes in that extended version that you don’t see in either the theatrical or Donner versions.

The VHS picture quality doesn’t detract from the viewing experience one bit for me, it’s easy to spot the PAL and NTSC stuff but that’s OK. considering the wealth of unseen footage. I love it!

Plenty of neat little scenes and extensions that I wish made the final cut. Ursa’s line - “Men to kill!” - is a favourite. Also some bizarre comedy relief from a Japanese family and a tourist with a camera, I seem to remember.

I saw the expanded version of SII in 1984 - over two nights (?) in Australia, and always missed the scene with the boy and the police siren - nasty!

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Warner Archive just announced they are releasing a brand new 2017 HD master of the 188 minute tv version.
Holy…
It will be a bluray release packaged with a second disc of the regular extended cut.

Most interesting is that if it’s a new master they did themselves it will likely be without the added teal.
I still can’t believe this good news.

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Holy **** indeed. I imagine they took notice of all the fan efforts the past several years. Going to be weird finally seeing those scenes in widescreen.

Too bad Warner doesn’t own Star Wars. 😉

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If it’s not teal and in better shape than the TC and EC HD masters I’m thinking it should be rather easy to make a version of the TC from it and sync the superior LD audio. I wish that was the second disc rather than another copy of the EC disc.

Still. Amazing news. I love WAC, and hope they eventually do the Fleischers.

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Aren’t the Fleischers on the Anthology box set already?

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