LOL, I’m always beaten to the punch 😉
Eh, it’s still good practice.
Well it was your post that inspired me to take a look. It really has been insightful to see the differences going through them this way. So many little bits that are subtly different.
I’m getting the popcorn ready.
(This may be already well known to most people, but reflects my analysis of the RIC while reconstructing it.)
I’ve analyzed up to 23 minutes and afaict this is all exclusive:
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
(This may be already well known to most people, but reflects my analysis of the RIC while reconstructing it.)
I’ve analyzed up to 23 minutes and afaict this is all exclusive:
- The Concorde scene, this is documented (16:17-16:45)
- 2 additions to the “juicer” scene in the Daily Planet offices
- 21:57-22:02 (two shots)
Lois: "Nobody knows it, that’s all"
Clark: "Heh…"
Lois: “Especially not you”- 22:15-22:25
Clark: "Why don’t you get one of those automatic ones, Lois? It’d be a little bit easier"
Lois: “Don’t you know there’s an energy crisis on, Clark? Besides…it’s good enough for my mother”
Don’t mean to tread on your toes, but here is my analysis of the missing footage. All of the following is missing footage. Instances where there is an alternate take or angle available are noted. It won’t be possible to use all of these due to timing differences, but there will be some workarounds that can be done.
Superman flies to Paris:
• Concorde scene
Lois Office:
• “Nobody know it that’s all…especially not you”
• “Why don’t you get one of those automatic ones Lois, it’d be easier”/ “Don’t you know there’s an energy crisis on Clark, besides if it was good enough for my mother”
• “Perhaps I could help you there Lois” (alternate angle)
Prison Laundry:
• “Otis, you brain defies any know scientific laws in its infinite capacity to deteriorate”
• “Every man has his vulnerable point, some” (Otis reaction shot here in theatrical)
• “What’s it for?”/ “That little black box goes beyond any known connectional radar, it tracks alpha waves”/ “Oh alpha waves”/ “I could have said it tracked pasta fazool couldn’t I”/ “Oh with garlic Mr Luthor and that butter, so good” (alternate take)
Mission Control:
• “You’re looking old for your age…it looks like ordinary electrical interference”
Moon:
• “And you will have everything you want”/ “Men to kill!”/ “And I will lead”
Prison Escape:
• Lex climbing ladder after stepping on Otis’ hand (continues slightly longer)
• Otis pulls ladder, Lex shouts to get off
• Otis steps through ladder (continues slightly longer)
• Lex shouts get off
• Otis grabbed by guards viewed from balloon (missing footage from beginning and end of shot)
• Guards stand Otis up
Niagara:
• Multiple establishing shots including tourists taking photos
Lex and Eve in the balloon:
• “A vacation, oh Lex I could go shopping, a bikini, I need a new bikini, you must have thought about me in a bikini while you were in prison” (Alternate take and changes to alternate angle)
• “No actually I thought about you in a Parka” (Alternate take)
• “You are sick Lex, you are really sick” (Alternate take)
• “That’s possible” (Alternate take)
• (ALL BALLON FOOTAGE FEATURES DAYTIME BACKGROUND PLATES)
Niagara Kid Falls:
• Guy messing around with camera and film
• Clark pays for hotdogs
• Lois walks away, Clark follows (long shot after “No orange juice”)
Lex approaches fortress:
• Skidoo almost at fortress rear shot
• Skidoo stops, Lex gets off
• Lex helps Ms Tesmacher (beginning missing due to fade in TRDC)
Lex enters the fortress:
• Lex slips on the ice (end missing)
• Lex steps down after “That was 2 days ago” (alternate take)
• “Frankly I think this place is a bit boring, it’s all white. Why doesn’t the guy put up some posters, maybe some bullfight things” (Alternate take)
• Lex monologue, from “Think of it” to “Right…Ms Tessmacher” (Alternate take/ angle)
• “She found it” (Alternate take/ Angle)
Villains meet cops:
• Dwayne sneaks around car to be confronted by Ursa
Army arrive in East Housten:
• Zod stands arms opened, says “Very well then, you may try” to Non
• Families around the world have their TV interrupted by Zod on the news
• Rear shot of Non, army guy gets a shot off
• Dwayne in the line of fire, waved away buy bazooka guys
Dinner in the fortress:
• Superman picks up soufflé (slight extension of scene)
• Lois takes night gown from her purse
Whitehouse Attack:
• “Everything is under control, nobody’s gonna get in here”
• Zod shoots as he walks out of frame/ Nixon portrait
• Non growls at the dogs
Driving back from the fortress:
• Long shot of car in snow (goes on slightly longer)
• Wide shot of mountains
Clark walks to the fortress:
• All shots after Clark is ignored by truck are edited in a different order. Fading between shots means all are somewhat incomplete
Lex at the Whitehouse:
• “Praying”/ “Yes to me!”
• Lex picks up Havana cigar and begins to sit
Villains at the Daily Planet:
• Jimmy takes a picture of Non (alternate angle)
• Jimmy bites Non, “Gosh darn it, that’s my brand new camera”
• “This is the son of Jor-El?” (alternate angle)
• Non picks up Jimmy (beginning of shot missing)
• “OK it’s Australia, it’s too much. I can turn over a new leaf, a tree, a whole forest”
Metropolis Battle:
• Staff look out of window (alternate take)
• Jimmy asks “You OK?” to Perry
• “Possibly not. I is extremely likely you are merely a fool, like father, like son”/ “Somehow I just can’t hear you Zod”
• “Is there another camera?”/ “No but there is a cup of coffee in there”/ “Get hima coffee Jimmy”
• Non chases Superman Zoptic shots
• “Kill Him!”
• Non chases Superman model shots (longer than in TRDC)
• Non (model) breaks piece off wall
• “Should have spiked it”
Villains return to the Daily Planet:
• Villains approach the DP/ Staff run to the windows (multiple alternate angles)
• “You heard him, three against one you shoulda…” (alternate take/ angle)
• “He fled in fear of us!” (alternate angle)
• “As long as he’s alive he’s gonna try again” (end of shot Lois lowers arm)
• “What do you want?”
• “I see the greed written…” (alternate take’/ angle)
• “What more?” (alternate take’/ angle)
• “Cuba” (alternate take’/ angle)
Villains in the fortress:
• “Superman this wasn’t my idea”/ “Accept your destiny Kal-El, as your father once condemned us, so now do we condemn his misbegotten brat”
• “General?”/ “We must combine our energy”
• “Beginning with er this one.”
• “Destroy this place”
• Lex points to Superman “Him, him, me? Lex Luthor?” (multiple alternate shots/ angles)
• “General, I helped you through the tough times remember?”
• “I don’t know what to think anymore, it’s not like the old days when it was just you and me”
• “You were totally honest and you wanted to destroy me, it was pure and simple, I respected you for that”/ “Well perhaps there is some good in you after all Lex Luthor”/ “I’m telling you I’m full of good, I never used any of it”/ “Alright, I’m just going to have to take that chance, now”
• “Seize him” (beginning of shot missing)
• “Kill her” (beginning of shot missing)
• “You win”
• Non throws Superman (alternate angle)
• Superman lands (alternate take)
• Zod nods to Ursa (alternate take)
Arctic Breakup:
• Superman and Lois land (alternate angles/ takes)
• Lois’s shocked reaction (alternate take)
• Superman turns around and walks to Lois (alternate take)
• “I mean I’d be buying my little rainbow at the expense of all those people who go help, come quick”
• Superman nods (missing footage end of shot)
• “ I mean it’s the old eternal triangle, only in this case I have all of humanity waiting in the next room”
• Superman’s reaction to Lois’ kiss (alternate take)
• Superman and Lois embrace (missing footage from beginning and end of shot)
Balcony Goodbye:
• Superman and Lois land (missing footage from beginning of shot)
• “Except maybe I won’t be quite so mean to you from now on” (alternate take)
• Lois looks at Superman (no tears)
• Superman takes a breath
• “You don’t have to worry, your secret’s safe with me, I’m not going to tell anyone who you really are” (alternate takes/ angles)
• Lois reaction shot (no tears)
• Superman touches Lois’ hair (beginning of shot missing)
• Superman walks past Lois (end of shot missing)
• Superman passes Lois (no tears)
Boosh, don’t forget that Zod’s speech in the FOS ("Did you really think we’d give up our advatnage? No!!"etc…) in the RIC was a different line reading. It’s Stamp’s original voice in a higher pitch. In the theatrical, his voice is in a lower pitch, and he delivers the line in a bit more of a humorous tone. I prefer the RIC version.
Boosh, don’t forget that Zod’s speech in the FOS ("Did you really think we’d give up our advatnage? No!!"etc…) in the RIC was a different line reading. It’s Stamp’s original voice in a higher pitch. In the theatrical, his voice is in a lower pitch, and he delivers the line in a bit more of a humorous tone. I prefer the RIC version.
Yeah that’s true, but the list I made isn’t a list of differences, it’s a list to show what footage (video wise) isn’t available in the theatrical or Donner Cut. I’ve taken the audio from the RIC and synced as much footage as possible with bluray sources. In the example you mentioned the line reading is different, but the video is still the same take as the theatrical cut, so there is no footage missing, and why it’s not on the list.
Double post.
I think it may take two different approaches to do the two edits depending on whether I want quality or authenticity.
The “alpha waves/pasta fazoli” shot seems to be different in all three cuts (the OTV lacks the “pasta fazoli” part, which both the RIC and RDC have, but the RIC and RDC are obviously different takes, as marked by Otis’s slightly different reaction to the mention of alpha waves). Most likely for an authentic cut I’d need to use the RIC footage, but for a high quality cut, the RDC would be a better choice.
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
I think it may take two different approaches to do the two edits depending on whether I want quality or authenticity.
The “alpha waves/pasta fazoli” shot seems to be different in all three cuts (the OTV lacks the “pasta fazoli” part, which both the RIC and RDC have, but the RIC and RDC are obviously different takes, as marked by Otis’s slightly different reaction to the mention of alpha waves). Most likely for an authentic cut I’d need to use the RIC footage, but for a high quality cut, the RDC would be a better choice.
Definitely, there are shots that have equivalent footage that could stand in for what is missing. Some alternate angles work fine as is, some would have to be retimed to make them fit the pacing of different line readings. Then there is other stuff that’s only in the RIC that would require that source.
I think there are some shots that could be made into widescreen using an existing shot and doing head/ body replacement with RIC footage. For example Superman’s line “Somehow I just can’t hear you Zod” could be made using shot from “I’m not a coward Zod”, and replacing his head with RIC footage. Similarly, Zod’s "It is extremely likely you are merely a fool, like father, like son”, could be created using the background from the shot where Zod looks up to and uses his heat vision.
The 2 versions I’m thinking of right now are:
Complete purist: Using blurays for available footage, upscaled RIC for the rest. 4:3 presentation.
Best quality: Using blurays for all footage, some shots alternate takes or angles, some shots created from combination of RIC and bluray. Shots that can’t be created due to zero available footage, like the Concorde scene, are cut. 16x9 presentation
Here’s an example of a scene with alternate takes and angles used. Some trims and alterations to the timing have been made to keep things in sync.
Given that the deleted scenes on the Donner BD are still anamorphic SD MPEG2 (two of them, at least, are in the RIC), would you clean them up or use the RIC versions?
I know the “Son of Jor-el, prepare to die” sequence is identical to the RIC. I haven’t checked the “Arctic Patrol” scene.
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
Here’s an example of a scene with alternate takes and angles used. Some trims and alterations to the timing have been made to keep things in sync.
Nice work there Boosh.
Given that the deleted scenes on the Donner BD are still anamorphic SD MPEG2 (two of them, at least, are in the RIC), would you clean them up or use the RIC versions?
I know the “Son of Jor-el, prepare to die” sequence is identical to the RIC. I haven’t checked the “Arctic Patrol” scene.
I have them cleaned up, recoloured and upscaled for use in my Superman 2 fanedit, so I would use that version of them. I can send you those if you like?
Here’s an example of a scene with alternate takes and angles used. Some trims and alterations to the timing have been made to keep things in sync.
Nice work there Boosh.
Cheers
Sure, why not. 😉 It’s got to be better than what I’ve done so far.
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
Just got to thinking. I know there’s a cap of Superman 3 from some ITV affiliate - are there any other caps of the extended cut in circulation? I’m wondering if perhaps another cap could be used to compensate for flaws in the one I have.
By the way, I’ve been doing comparison shots to try to determine the best approach for certain scenes in Superman 2.
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
Just got to thinking. I know there’s a cap of Superman 3 from some ITV affiliate - are there any other caps of the extended cut in circulation? I’m wondering if perhaps another cap could be used to compensate for flaws in the one I have.
By the way, I’ve been doing comparison shots to try to determine the best approach for certain scenes in Superman 2.
As far as I know I have all available version of Superman 3 TV version that have been put to DVD
Yorkshire TV version. (Single layer DVD)
BLAX version. (Single layer DVD)
Unknown source PAL capture (2 x Single layer DVD)
1986 ABC version (Single layer DVD) (missing first 50 minutes)
I also released a version which combined the the firt 50 minutes from PAL capture and the 1986 ABC version. The ABC version is the best picture quality of them and contains the original commercials. I edited those out and added the missing beginning from the second best quality source.
I think this version is currently the best all around quality version you can get although it isn’t complete. I hadn’t noticed until after it was released, but the “Smallville Flash” part of the drinking scene is missing. It’s present in the BLAX version and the YTV version, but not the ABC or 2 disc PAL version. It’s probably worth going though all versions just to see if there are any other bits exclusive to the different captures.
I think a best version could be created using the movie and deleted scenes from the bluray, and filling in the rest from VHS. It would be nice to get a good quality source to work from, particularly for those 50 minutes missing from the ABC cut, but idealy the whole thing.
I’ve made some progress on Superman 2. I have pan and scanned about 2 hours of the bluray to recreate the TV cut. Still need to do the last half hour. The whole thing is going to need colour correcting to match all of the different sources. I’ve used the opening and end credits from a HDTV rip since the whites are blown out on the bluray and they look bad. I’ve also done this for a few shots where detail is lost from the blow out, explosions and stuff like that. The VHS footage still needs to be upscaled and added in. I’m looking into how to do that in best quality.
Booshmam, your efforts are much appreciated. Best of luck with your ongoing efforts to preserve these films in their longest possible forms.
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I’ve made some progress on Superman 2. I have pan and scanned about 2 hours of the bluray to recreate the TV cut. Still need to do the last half hour. The whole thing is going to need colour correcting to match all of the different sources. I’ve used the opening and end credits from a HDTV rip since the whites are blown out on the bluray and they look bad. I’ve also done this for a few shots where detail is lost from the blow out, explosions and stuff like that. The VHS footage still needs to be upscaled and added in. I’m looking into how to do that in best quality.
You are the man. I can’t wait to see this.
Just got to thinking. I know there’s a cap of Superman 3 from some ITV affiliate - are there any other caps of the extended cut in circulation? I’m wondering if perhaps another cap could be used to compensate for flaws in the one I have.
As far as I know I have all available version of Superman 3 TV version that have been put to DVD
Yorkshire TV version. (Single layer DVD)
This is the one I had, and referred to as from “some ITV affiliate”. The tape it comes from seems to be somewhat worn (but the audio, while muffly, is adequate, and the video is certainly watchable).
BLAX version. (Single layer DVD)
Unknown source PAL capture (2 x Single layer DVD)
1986 ABC version (Single layer DVD) (missing first 50 minutes)
These I was not aware of.
I think this version is currently the best all around quality version you can get although it isn’t complete. I hadn’t noticed until after it was released, but the “Smallville Flash” part of the drinking scene is missing. It’s present in the BLAX version and the YTV version, but not the ABC or 2 disc PAL version. It’s probably worth going though all versions just to see if there are any other bits exclusive to the different captures.
I don’t disagree. Isn’t that basically how the Superman 2 RIC was cut together?
I think a best version could be created using the movie and deleted scenes from the bluray, and filling in the rest from VHS. It would be nice to get a good quality source to work from, particularly for those 50 minutes missing from the ABC cut, but idealy the whole thing.
Again, I agree.
Not having the BD yet, I don’t know how much that would entail.
I’ve made some progress on Superman 2. I have pan and scanned about 2 hours of the bluray to recreate the TV cut. Still need to do the last half hour. The whole thing is going to need colour correcting to match all of the different sources. I’ve used the opening and end credits from a HDTV rip since the whites are blown out on the bluray and they look bad. I’ve also done this for a few shots where detail is lost from the blow out, explosions and stuff like that. The VHS footage still needs to be upscaled and added in. I’m looking into how to do that in best quality.
You’re well ahead of me, since I’m still analyzing the different cuts to decide if there’s anything I can use the Donner cut for (and color matching would certainly be a pain for some scenes, where you can’t take the video from a single source).
I really noticed this when trying to cut together the “mission control” sequence (with the “hair dryer” joke from the Donner cut after most of the scene from the Lester cut and then a piece of shot from the RIC).
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
Just got to thinking. I know there’s a cap of Superman 3 from some ITV affiliate - are there any other caps of the extended cut in circulation? I’m wondering if perhaps another cap could be used to compensate for flaws in the one I have.
As far as I know I have all available version of Superman 3 TV version that have been put to DVD
Yorkshire TV version. (Single layer DVD)
This is the one I had, and referred to as from “some ITV affiliate”. The tape it comes from seems to be somewhat worn (but the audio, while muffly, is adequate, and the video is certainly watchable).
BLAX version. (Single layer DVD)
Unknown source PAL capture (2 x Single layer DVD)
1986 ABC version (Single layer DVD) (missing first 50 minutes)These I was not aware of.
I think this version is currently the best all around quality version you can get although it isn’t complete. I hadn’t noticed until after it was released, but the “Smallville Flash” part of the drinking scene is missing. It’s present in the BLAX version and the YTV version, but not the ABC or 2 disc PAL version. It’s probably worth going though all versions just to see if there are any other bits exclusive to the different captures.
I don’t disagree. Isn’t that basically how the Superman 2 RIC was cut together?
I think a best version could be created using the movie and deleted scenes from the bluray, and filling in the rest from VHS. It would be nice to get a good quality source to work from, particularly for those 50 minutes missing from the ABC cut, but idealy the whole thing.
Again, I agree.
Not having the BD yet, I don’t know how much that would entail.
I’ve made some progress on Superman 2. I have pan and scanned about 2 hours of the bluray to recreate the TV cut. Still need to do the last half hour. The whole thing is going to need colour correcting to match all of the different sources. I’ve used the opening and end credits from a HDTV rip since the whites are blown out on the bluray and they look bad. I’ve also done this for a few shots where detail is lost from the blow out, explosions and stuff like that. The VHS footage still needs to be upscaled and added in. I’m looking into how to do that in best quality.
You’re well ahead of me, since I’m still analyzing the different cuts to decide if there’s anything I can use the Donner cut for (and color matching would certainly be a pain for some scenes, where you can’t take the video from a single source).
I really noticed this when trying to cut together the “mission control” sequence (with the “hair dryer” joke from the Donner cut after most of the scene from the Lester cut and then a piece of shot from the RIC).
One thing you’ll notice when you get the bluray is that the theatrical cut’s colour timing is completely different to the DVD master and also looks nothing like the Donner Cut. The colours on the blurays are all over the place. Superman the movie extended version and TRDC being the least affected. The theatrical cut of 1 and 2, and movies 3 and 4 look drastically different to how they looked before, with skin toines and Superman’s suit looking very off.
I’ve completely recoloured 3 and 4 already, and have some work done on the Lester version. I don’t just want to match it to the Donner version though, as that looks a bit off. Colours are too saturated, the fortress looks blue, etc. I want to tweak the Donner Cut and try to get as close to that with the lester version.
I’ve finished the pan and scan, and it looks pretty good. There is more visible image than on a lot of the RIC, so for parts with bluray footage you will see more than before. Interestingly though, there are a few places where the RIC footage shows more information on the far left of the picture than the bluray. I also noticed that a couple of the extended scenes, the prison escape, and the “Jimmy’s new camera” deleted scene, play at the wrong speed in the RIC. They’re slower by 4%, so whoever made the RIC has inadvertently compensated for PAL speedup on an NTSC source when there was no need. I ended up going with 720P as the output, so I don’t have to upscale the whole movie. In order to fill a 720P 4:3 frame vertically, the original 1080P source only needs to be scaled down to 96%.
Regarding the Superman 3 RIC, a lot of the deleted scenes are on the bluray, but not all. They are 4:3 SD, but from a good master. They could be used to fill in a lot of gaps. The main component missing to do a great quality composite is the beginning space credits and the opening sequence without the regular credits overlayed.
Man, this is gonna be GOOD!!
A couple friends have tentacles out for the BDs of Superman II and Superman II RDC. I’ll see what I can do.
If I am able to do it, I will do it in two forms:
- A full length cut, at 720x540, using as much restored footage as possible (cropped to 4:3).
- A shorter cut, at 1280x540 (possibly also at a higher resolution), with only the restored footage.
No guarantees.
Just an fyi, those are PAL sizes. The original NTSC would be preferable.
To be bluray compliant I’m going with 1280x720 (pillarboxed) for the 4:3 version, and 1920x1080 for the widescreen.
Does anyone have any tips on upscaling the DVD footage from the RIC? I have magicbullet for after effects, but if there is a better option I’d like to know. I need to increase the the size by 28%, and it would be nice for it to look as good as possible.
Also, I don’t know how possible it is, but is there any way of sorting out the interlacing that is present in the added footage. The DVD is interlaced. When I open it in TMPGEnc and turn on de-interlace, all of the footage shows as de-interlaced apart from the new stuff. The makers of the original disc must have messed up somewhere in their workflow and it means there are a lot of frames that look like this:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ZUak59n.jpg[/img]
Could this be sorted out with avisynth?
One thing you’ll notice when you get the bluray is that the theatrical cut’s colour timing is completely different to the DVD master and also looks nothing like the Donner Cut. The colours on the blurays are all over the place. Superman the movie extended version and TRDC being the least affected. The theatrical cut of 1 and 2, and movies 3 and 4 look drastically different to how they looked before, with skin toines and Superman’s suit looking very off.
I’m not sure - sometimes the RIC looks more like the theatrical BD, sometimes more like the RDC BD. For the prison laundry sequence and the Houston sequence, it’s definitely closer to the theatrical but for the Daily Planet invasion later in the film, it’s much closer to Donner.
I’ve completely recoloured 3 and 4 already, and have some work done on the Lester version. I don’t just want to match it to the Donner version though, as that looks a bit off. Colours are too saturated, the fortress looks blue, etc. I want to tweak the Donner Cut and try to get as close to that with the lester version.
Sounds reasonable.
Regarding the Superman 3 RIC, a lot of the deleted scenes are on the bluray, but not all. They are 4:3 SD, but from a good master. They could be used to fill in a lot of gaps. The main component missing to do a great quality composite is the beginning space credits and the opening sequence without the regular credits overlayed.
Nice.
It’s a pity we don’t have better quality of everything, but it sounds like a RIC of Superman 3 would certainly look a lot better than the Superman 2 RIC.
Just an fyi, those are PAL sizes. The original NTSC would be preferable.
They’re actually in between NTSC and PAL. 😉 As well, scaling the BD to 1280x720 yields a cropped image of 1280x528 - so 704x528 is probably a good compromise resolution if compatibility with hardware players is not an object (for me, it isn’t, although I understand for most people here it is).
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
To be bluray compliant I’m going with 1280x720 (pillarboxed) for the 4:3 version, and 1920x1080 for the widescreen.
Does anyone have any tips on upscaling the DVD footage from the RIC? I have magicbullet for after effects, but if there is a better option I’d like to know. I need to increase the the size by 28%, and it would be nice for it to look as good as possible.
Also, I don’t know how possible it is, but is there any way of sorting out the interlacing that is present in the added footage. The DVD is interlaced. When I open it in TMPGEnc and turn on de-interlace, all of the footage shows as de-interlaced apart from the new stuff. The makers of the original disc must have messed up somewhere in their workflow and it means there are a lot of frames that look like this:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ZUak59n.jpg[/img]
Could this be sorted out with avisynth?
How good results would nnedi3_rpow2(2) look, giving you 1440x960 out of the vob?
The ISO I have of the RIC is progressive, though I usually have DGIndex process everything as actual 30i, and then go in and ivtc it in Avisynth.
In some particular bad cases, I’ve been able to use qtgmc and/or srestore to fix some interlacing/telecine issues. No idea if this will fix your specific problem.
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
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