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A catch-all topic for stupid Star Wars questions....

What was Vader a lord of?

Was he an earl or a duke or something? The EU establishes that he had several haunts throughout the galaxy, including Bast Castle on Vjun. Does Vader have his own personal planet? Or is he unlanded nobility, his title reflecting his role as a personal agent of the Emperor or a commander of the Imperial forces?

How could Tarkin have destroyed Alderaan?

Regional governors were supposed to have direct control over their territories. Tarkin was the governor of the Outer Rim. Alderaan was apparently in the Core. How did he get permission to destroy a Core world? The Core governor certainly wouldn't have allowed it. Maybe that's why Vader was there -- to lend a certain amount of Imperial authority to the Death Star's operations, or to secure approval for any mundicidal operations outside of Tarkin's area of responsibility.

Who reigns over the Alderaanian people?

After ANH, it's pretty pointless to claim that one reigns over Alderaan. But there's still Alderaanians throughout the Galaxy, and they still have something of a royal family. Who's the monarch? It's obviously not Princess Leia since, well, she's not Queen Leia. Did someone else ascend the throne? Did she decline the title? With the destruction of Alderaan as a functioning political entity, is the Alderaanian monarch chosen by constitutional principles or house law?

What was the point of Echo Base?

They accomplished nothing but (slowly) adapting some of their equipment to the cold, domesticating some tauntauns, and almost losing a valuable officer to exposure. Surely they could've found a nicer planet to set up on, or even a starship. You don't have to evacuate starships when Imperial probes find them. You just move them.

How did Han and Lando get general officer commissions?

I suspect the "maneuver at the Battle of Tanaab" had something to do with a lot of money finding its way into the Alliance treasury. After outliving his usefulness and being bled dry of credits, Lando got to put on the rank and was assigned to the ship least likely to survive the Battle of Endor. Dead men make better heroes. But what about Han? Did Mon Mothma intend to make a martyr out of him, too?

Why didn't the Imperial garrison reinforce the bunker on Endor?

Even if they were expecting the main attack at the shield generator, they had to have realized that a number of stormtroopers and soldiers were needlessly dying outside the bunker on the Sanctuary Moon. Couldn't they have launched a close air support sortie to drive off the Ewoks? Or spared a quick reaction force from the main body? As it turned out, the loss of the bunker destroyed the shield generator, too, so they really misidentified their centers of gravity on that one. Security through obscurity doesn't work when your "secure" location is built in the backyard of hostile natives.

Who is the father of Huey, Dewey, and Louie?

This one isn't really a Star Wars question, but it's kind of bugging me. Who is he, and why did he and Della leave the kids to Donald? Donald is hardly a fit parent, and they couldn't have known that he'd hand them off to his rich Uncle Scrooge, as Scrooge was still in seclusion when Della and her husband disappeared.
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To answer your last question, Della was not Huey, Dewey, and Louis' mother. In the 1938 cartoon that introduces Donald's nephews, the mother's name is Dumbella. Donald never handed over his nephews to Uncle Scrooge. The cartoon series, Duck Tales, is a bastardization of the comics created, written, and drawn by Carl Barks, the true creator of Uncle Scrooge. The modern Disney attempt (anything created by Disney after Walt's death) to make and distribute films is complete shit. Carl Barks is a genius who's work was completely taken over and warped by modern Disney ethics. Carl Barks wrote and illustrated adventure stories starring the ducks created by Walt Disney Studios, yet the personalities of his ducks were entirely his own creation.

I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but if you take the time to research and criticize Star Wars, do the same to other works of fiction. Carl Barks is one of the greatest men to ever work in the comic book industry, and should be recognized for his contribution to American pop culture.
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Alright, I will try to answer some of these things with mostly explanations from EU. I understand that most people will inevitably post an "EU sucks" post after mine, but these explanations are canon. Although some are weak, stupid, or just plain don't make sense they were given credence by GL, so they are not my fault.

Originally posted by: Scruffy
A catch-all topic for stupid Star Wars questions....
What was Vader a lord of?

Dark Lord of the Sith was his title given to him since he was a "master" of the dark side of the force.

Originally posted by: Scruffy
A catch-all topic for stupid Star Wars questions....
How could Tarkin have destroyed Alderaan?

Tarkin was actually a Grand Moff over the Moffs of many sectors. He held a higher power than any regional governor could imagine. I would imagine that Moff tarkin also held some extra power aside from that of a Grand Moff since he was the Chief Officer of the Death Star.

Originally posted by: Scruffy
A catch-all topic for stupid Star Wars questions....
Who reigns over the Alderaanian people?

There is not much around anywhere to explain in detail of this. what I do know is that after Alderaan was destroyed, there was a planet in the Outer Rim called New Alderaan which was colonized by the displaced Alderaanians. It was led by a political group called the "Alderaan Alliance" which continued to represent the Alderaanians in the Senate after the New Republic was established. Again, I can't remember anything being said of the monarchy, so I guess it just died with Bail Organa.

Originally posted by: Scruffy
A catch-all topic for stupid Star Wars questions....
B]What was the point of Echo Base?


Echo Base was the rebellions headquarters. It is where many Rebel leaders met and discussed tactics. Basically imagine it being like the only talked about, but never seen War Room of the United States, which supposedly sits under the White House. Luke Skywalker recommended the location of the icy planet of Hoth to the Rebel leaders because it was so remote, had little resources the Empire would want, and was simply a difficult planet for the Empire to search. Remember how Echo Base was almost quickly dismissed by Imperial officers before Vader walked up and declared it to be the base. If Vader had never seen the image, maybe the Battle of Hoth would never have taken place.

Originally posted by: Scruffy
A catch-all topic for stupid Star Wars questions....
How did Han and Lando get general officer commissions?


I would imagine that Han and Lando could be given Field Officer Commissions much like the United States Military can during times of war.

Originally posted by: Scruffy
A catch-all topic for stupid Star Wars questions....
Why didn't the Imperial garrison reinforce the bunker on Endor?


They did re-enforce the bunker with a whole legion of Stormtroopers, plus they thought they were only going to be dealing with a group of saboteurs, not a bunch of hairy mokney things with super powerful stones throwing muscles. The Empire knew the Ewoks were there, but they wrote them off just as you would write off a couple mice in your garage. Plus, the DS II was so busy dealing with the large amount of attacks, they hardly had the time to send down any bombing runs, I also don't think the communication between the DS II and the Endor Bunker was all that great.

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A catch-all topic for stupid Star Wars questions....
Who is the father of Huey, Dewey, and Louie?


*See UncleOwen's post above.
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I looked up the Battle of Tanaab on the Wookiepedia. Very ingenious!
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Tanaab
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Originally posted by: UncleOwen
To answer your last question, Della was not Huey, Dewey, and Louis' mother. In the 1938 cartoon that introduces Donald's nephews, the mother's name is Dumbella. Donald never handed over his nephews to Uncle Scrooge. The cartoon series, Duck Tales, is a bastardization of the comics created, written, and drawn by Carl Barks, the true creator of Uncle Scrooge. The modern Disney attempt (anything created by Disney after Walt's death) to make and distribute films is complete shit. Carl Barks is a genius who's work was completely taken over and warped by modern Disney ethics. Carl Barks wrote and illustrated adventure stories starring the ducks created by Walt Disney Studios, yet the personalities of his ducks were entirely his own creation.

I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but if you take the time to research and criticize Star Wars, do the same to other works of fiction. Carl Barks is one of the greatest men to ever work in the comic book industry, and should be recognized for his contribution to American pop culture.


I liked Ducktales, which was based off the earlier comics. While different, I wouldn't call it a basardization, just an adaptation. IIRC, in the comics, Donald still has his nephews, and they just live near Uncle Scrooge and visit regularly. In Ducktales, they wrote Donald out of the story for the most part and replaced his character with Launchpad. Of course, this still brings up the question, why does Donald have the nephews in the first place?


Back on topic-

My dumb questions, mostly prequel related since that has the most stupidity in it:
Why couldn't Qui-Gon become a force ghost in Ep. 3?

Why exactly was Jar-Jar exiled from the Gungans? For being the most stupid and annoying creature in the galaxy?

Do they still have podraces on Tattoine during Lukes' time?

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Originally posted by: Number20

Do they still have podraces on Tattoine during Lukes' time?


Don't give Lucas anymore ideas for how to "fix" ANH

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Originally posted by: UncleOwen

I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but if you take the time to research and criticize Star Wars, do the same to other works of fiction. Carl Barks is one of the greatest men to ever work in the comic book industry, and should be recognized for his contribution to American pop culture.


Uncle Owen, I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but Dumbella is just Della's nickname. The Scrooge McDuck universe is fairly serious, so far as anthropomorphic duck universes go, and most of the ducks -- especially on the clan McDuck side of the family -- have "real" names. Dumbella may have been Della's original name, but it was handily retconned to make it fit in to Barks' milieu. If you accept "Dumbella" as her given name, then you must still refer to George "Goofy" Geef as Dippy Dawg, right?

And you'll forgive me, I hope, if I violated whatever canon rules you follow for the Scrooge McDuck universe. There's several different versions; the Barks-Rosa version is my favorite, and it's from Rosa that I drew Della's given name. But the Duck Tales version was also very influential for my generation. I think Donald's very absence adds a layer of complexity to the character and his relationship with his family that he lacks in most of his appearances. In fact, it makes him more Scrooge-like: One might say that the men of the McDuck blood have an insatiable urge to leave their families behind and independently make something of themselves. (See also Pothole McDuck.) And then there's the various European versions which spun off from Barks and are slightly different -- Rosa notes some of these differences in the TPB of Life and Times. And also the very tangential Darkwing Duck universe; while I love Darkwing, it's a bit more slapstick than most of the duck tal -- er, stories. But I'm sure you know all this, and you're just trying to be helpful. Didn't really answer the question, though.
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Maybe we need a Scrooge McDuck thread over in the Off-topic section. LOL

I loved watching Ducktales as a kid and have the recent DVD releases. I will admit I only read a few of the comics, but might need to see if I can find some of the reprints someday. So I don't think the show was bad by any means, just a bit different. As for Donald's absence in Ducktales, the reason he isn't in the show was that he was the most famous character in the series, and most people weren't as familiar with the others people in the series, and the thought that if he was in it much at all, people would expect him to be the hero or expect a purely slapstick comedy, like his shorts. So they decided to write him out, and replaced the role he played with Lauchpad. But IIRC, some episodes are taken directly out of the comics. But its like that with any comic adapted for a TV show or movie. You can't take it as is in the comics. You have to make some changes for the TV/movie screen.

To answer your question on why Donald got them, I've finally thought of the answer. Donald is the only one who could understand and talk to Hewey, Dewey, and Louie. So he got them. Nobody else talks like they do.
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Dark Lord of the Sith was his title given to him since he was a "master" of the dark side of the force.

But we never see any Dark Side practitioners in the OT other than Vader and Palpatine. Why would secular Imperials refer to him by a cult title? He was clearly exercising authority over them that did not derive from his position within the Sith cult. Tarkin even mocked him as the last member of the Jedi religion. No, when he's addressed as "Lord Vader" it's clearly a title of aristocracy, not clergy.

Tarkin was actually a Grand Moff over the Moffs of many sectors. He held a higher power than any regional governor could imagine. I would imagine that Moff tarkin also held some extra power aside from that of a Grand Moff since he was the Chief Officer of the Death Star.

Tarkin was a Grand Moff and Regional Governor. The Grand Moff dignity might have indicated some extra-regional authority, but it does seem strange that he brags one moment that Coruscant has given control to regional governors then the next blows up some other regional governor's planet.

Echo Base was the rebellions headquarters. It is where many Rebel leaders met and discussed tactics. Basically imagine it being like the only talked about, but never seen War Room of the United States, which supposedly sits under the White House. Luke Skywalker recommended the location of the icy planet of Hoth to the Rebel leaders because it was so remote, had little resources the Empire would want, and was simply a difficult planet for the Empire to search. Remember how Echo Base was almost quickly dismissed by Imperial officers before Vader walked up and declared it to be the base. If Vader had never seen the image, maybe the Battle of Hoth would never have taken place.


Why would anyone in the Rebel headquarters be discussing tactics? As Patton said, no one above battalion level should be discussing tactics. Definitely not echelons above God. Why would they even need to meet in one place to discuss tactics anything? Vader teleconferenced with his commands; he only met them in person when he wanted to kill someone, and sometimes not even then. The Jedi Council teleconferenced in the prequels. Why didn't the Rebels work this way? What is this "War Room of the United States"? If you mean the White House Situation Room, there's a good description of its workings here. Why didn't they meet on a ship, like Mon Mothma had the brains to do in RotJ?

Hoth was hard on their equipment, and hard on their reconnaissance -- they had to ride pack animals around just to see what was happening right outside their base. It wasn't defensible, because those huge plains practically invited an armored assault, and putting their power generator above ground where anyone can shoot it wasn't too bright. Freezing all the time and frequent cases of frostbite, snow blindness, and hypothermia couldn't have been good for morale.

Echo is probably just the successor to the Yavin cell -- a few X-wings and an Alderaanian tart with money.

I would imagine that Han and Lando could be given Field Officer Commissions much like the United States Military can during times of war.


They could be commissioned Admiral of the Ocean Sea, but why? Field commissions, and other direct commissions, or only granted when the potential officer has shown the capability to perform in the grade to which he or she is being appointed. When did Han Solo or Lando Calrissian ever prove themselves capable of serving as senior military executives? Han couldn't even manage his own finances, let alone a field army's logistics.

They did re-enforce the bunker with a whole legion of Stormtroopers, plus they thought they were only going to be dealing with a group of saboteurs, not a bunch of hairy mokney things with super powerful stones throwing muscles.


No, they didn't. The legion was at the shield generator, with the heavy armor. The bunker only had a small screening force of light armor and guys on bikes. The bunker's defenders were so paltry that when the commander ordered three squads to pursue the attackers, they could only round up eight men. In all likelihood, the bunker's complement was reduced to reinforce the generator.
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Why couldn't Qui-Gon become a force ghost in Ep. 3?

Because the movie was from Obi-wan's point of view and Yoda had not yet taught Obi-wan how to see Force ghosts? We'd have to special up the special special editions so that Luke can't see Obi-wan's ghost until Yoda trains him, but I think this rationalization could work.

Why exactly was Jar-Jar exiled from the Gungans? For being the most stupid and annoying creature in the galaxy?

Well, he was a general in the battle with the droids. I always assumed he was a disgraced officer who had caused the death of some of his men. Then when he was accepted back, they put him back in the army, promoted him to impress the humans, and sent him out to die with glory on the battlefield. (I really can't think of any other logical fate for all these hero generals. Except Madine. He's cool. Shoulda' been a major, though.)

Do they still have podraces on Tattoine during Lukes' time?

Why not?
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Coming in 2007: the approach the Mos Eisley now includes a pod challenging the landspeeder to a race, and, after ten minutes of high-impact pod racing, Luke miraculously manages to push his foe over the cliff overlooking Mos Eisley. Film continues from this point like it originally would...er, since 1997 at least.

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Originally posted by: Scruffy
Dark Lord of the Sith was his title given to him since he was a "master" of the dark side of the force.

But we never see any Dark Side practitioners in the OT other than Vader and Palpatine. Why would secular Imperials refer to him by a cult title? He was clearly exercising authority over them that did not derive from his position within the Sith cult. Tarkin even mocked him as the last member of the Jedi religion. No, when he's addressed as "Lord Vader" it's clearly a title of aristocracy, not clergy.

Tarkin was actually a Grand Moff over the Moffs of many sectors. He held a higher power than any regional governor could imagine. I would imagine that Moff tarkin also held some extra power aside from that of a Grand Moff since he was the Chief Officer of the Death Star.

Tarkin was a Grand Moff and Regional Governor. The Grand Moff dignity might have indicated some extra-regional authority, but it does seem strange that he brags one moment that Coruscant has given control to regional governors then the next blows up some other regional governor's planet.

Echo Base was the rebellions headquarters. It is where many Rebel leaders met and discussed tactics. Basically imagine it being like the only talked about, but never seen War Room of the United States, which supposedly sits under the White House. Luke Skywalker recommended the location of the icy planet of Hoth to the Rebel leaders because it was so remote, had little resources the Empire would want, and was simply a difficult planet for the Empire to search. Remember how Echo Base was almost quickly dismissed by Imperial officers before Vader walked up and declared it to be the base. If Vader had never seen the image, maybe the Battle of Hoth would never have taken place.


Why would anyone in the Rebel headquarters be discussing tactics? As Patton said, no one above battalion level should be discussing tactics. Definitely not echelons above God. Why would they even need to meet in one place to discuss tactics anything? Vader teleconferenced with his commands; he only met them in person when he wanted to kill someone, and sometimes not even then. The Jedi Council teleconferenced in the prequels. Why didn't the Rebels work this way? What is this "War Room of the United States"? If you mean the White House Situation Room, there's a good description of its workings here. Why didn't they meet on a ship, like Mon Mothma had the brains to do in RotJ?

Hoth was hard on their equipment, and hard on their reconnaissance -- they had to ride pack animals around just to see what was happening right outside their base. It wasn't defensible, because those huge plains practically invited an armored assault, and putting their power generator above ground where anyone can shoot it wasn't too bright. Freezing all the time and frequent cases of frostbite, snow blindness, and hypothermia couldn't have been good for morale.

Echo is probably just the successor to the Yavin cell -- a few X-wings and an Alderaanian tart with money.

I would imagine that Han and Lando could be given Field Officer Commissions much like the United States Military can during times of war.


They could be commissioned Admiral of the Ocean Sea, but why? Field commissions, and other direct commissions, or only granted when the potential officer has shown the capability to perform in the grade to which he or she is being appointed. When did Han Solo or Lando Calrissian ever prove themselves capable of serving as senior military executives? Han couldn't even manage his own finances, let alone a field army's logistics.

They did re-enforce the bunker with a whole legion of Stormtroopers, plus they thought they were only going to be dealing with a group of saboteurs, not a bunch of hairy mokney things with super powerful stones throwing muscles.


No, they didn't. The legion was at the shield generator, with the heavy armor. The bunker only had a small screening force of light armor and guys on bikes. The bunker's defenders were so paltry that when the commander ordered three squads to pursue the attackers, they could only round up eight men. In all likelihood, the bunker's complement was reduced to reinforce the generator.


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OK, my take on some of the questions-
What was Vader a lord of?
He's a dark lord of the sith. Yes, the empire is secular, but ultimately, the Emperor is a commited sith, and can pretty much decree anything he wants. So he gives Vader the official title. As for his official role, the emperor put Vader there in as his personal representative, and gave him whatever military resources he needed to recover the Death Star plans and later crush the rebellion. Thats all the authority he needs.

How could Tarkin have destroyed Alderaan?
He was Grand Moff, but he was also a military officer, commanding officer of the Death Star, tasked with destroying the rebellion. It was in this capacity that he had the authority to do most anything he wanted to. Also, Tarkin could safely tell Darth Vader off. To be able to do that, one had to be pretty close to the Emperor. So its doubtful that the regional govenor over Alderaan is going to complain much.


What was the point of Echo Base?
The Rebellion probably has too many space fighters and other equiptment to carry on their spacecraft and to store it all in outer space, so they need a base of some sort to operate out of. They can't simply stay in deep space. They need a land base as well. So I'm guessing its basically a giant gas station/repair station/storage facility. Plus, the higher ups in the rebel alliance love riding around on tauntans.

Why didn't the Imperial garrison reinforce the bunker on Endor?
I don't see the problem here. The empire had plenty of Stormtroopers there to handle the situation until the ewoks unexpectedly got involved. They didn't bring out the AT-ATs because they are too big and would end up doing more damage to their own side than the rebels, and it was probably impossible to get them to manuver in the dense forest. So that left only ground troops and the light AT-STs. The troops came in and were slaughtered by ewoks.

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Scruffy,

Did you ever participate on the SWCCG mailing list back in the day?
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Scruffy,

Glad to see that you are a Barks fan. Forgive me if I seemed harsh. I just consider Barks' material canon, and I am really not much of a fan of the others who carried on his material. It is nice to see other people who are as passionate for one of comics great artists. As for Goofy, I consider Art Babbitt's animated rendition, and Floyd Gottfredson's daily Mickey Mouse comic strip version to be the best. And I believe that Donald was not in the DuckTales cartoon due to his animated persona. Barks changed his character into the everyman, a greedy, self centred individual who can and will learn from his mistakes. This simply does not jive with the animated version, a comic hot head who no one can understand. So they just went with the nephews, and I feel that the cartoons lost some of Barks spirit. However, I do like the theme song, as well as the original NES game!

As for the nephew's father, he probably just a bum who knocked up Dumbellla (or Della) during the depression, and went tramping throughout the United Duck States.

As for Star Wars, the rebels way of commissioning every scoundrel who joins up with them to generals bugs me. Hell, even Jar Jar becomes a "Bombad General". I am surprised that Threepio never received this honor. However, he was quite apt at remembering everyone's titles. He always used Han's proper title before addressing him in the movies.
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On Endor what happens to the bodies of the speeder troopers as they hit the trees? do they disintegrate?
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Ok I have a question.

Why must Luke face Vader to become a Jedi.
Yoda - " Vader, you must confront Vader. Then, and only then, a Jedi will you be" - or some shit like that.

But why? It's not that other Jedi's had to face Sith's to become Jedi's, so why Luke. And this was before Yoda confirmed Vader was Lukes Daddy.

???

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Here's another question. Why didn't the empire use AT-ATs in the battle for endor when we know they had them on the ground?
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Probably because of the terrain. It was too cramped and the ground too uneven to safely use an AT-AT.

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Originally posted by: HotRod
Ok I have a question.

Why must Luke face Vader to become a Jedi.
Yoda - " Vader, you must confront Vader. Then, and only then, a Jedi will you be" - or some shit like that.

But why? It's not that other Jedi's had to face Sith's to become Jedi's, so why Luke. And this was before Yoda confirmed Vader was Lukes Daddy.

???


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Wow, I always wondered (and never knew) what exactly these "trials" were supposed to be. Another dropped ball by the prequels, I suppose.

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Originally posted by: HotRod
Ok I have a question.

Why must Luke face Vader to become a Jedi.
Yoda - " Vader, you must confront Vader. Then, and only then, a Jedi will you be" - or some shit like that.

But why? It's not that other Jedi's had to face Sith's to become Jedi's, so why Luke. And this was before Yoda confirmed Vader was Lukes Daddy.

???


Don't know about what the EU has to say about it, but killing/stopping a Sith must count as an automatic knighthood. Obi-Wan got to skip the trials because he killed Darth Maul. So maybe taking care of Vader will allow Luke to do the same.