logo Sign In

Stormtrooper with 4 eyes ::( or Stormtrooper showing terrible IVTC/telecine artefacts — Page 2

Author
Time
Post link
Originally, Lucas was going to wait until he was finished with the saga to release -any- Star Wars DVDs.

Guess what happened? DVD sites and fans kept asking him every day since DVD was invented:

Please release Star Wars on DVD.

But he said no, he wasn't done with them yet.

Then Phantom Menace came out, and by the end of that year we again were asking him: Please release Star Wars on DVD. Other movies get DVD's in the same year they are released.

But Lucas said: I'm not ready yet.

Finally he changed his mind and released TPM and told us AOTC and ROTS would follow a normal release strategy (which they did).

People were happier, but still we were missing the classic trilogy.

Finally when he did release the classic trilogy in 2004, he said the reason he changed his mind was because his advisers were telling him that due to rampant DVD piracy and newer formats on the horizon, there might not even be a DVD market by the time he's ready.

So he released the films as they were at the time while work continued on them for the upcoming rumored 2007 set.

Sure they aren't finished, but then neither were the original versions.

Most film makers just leave their films at "well that's how it turned out".

Lucas is one of the very few who put a ton of money into making these movies the best he could make them (in his opinion of course).
Your focus determines your reality.
Author
Time
Post link
It was a stupid plan to wait until 2006/2007 to release the films on DVD. I mean by then DVD is on its downward slope and HD is already out. Luckily they realised what a stupid mistake that plan was in 2001 and got with the rest of the world. Its not like Lucas sits at a computer and personally makes these things. Hell, look at how great the TPM DVD set turned out, and he was working on AOTC at the time. People just give him a rundown of things that will be included in the set, Lucas say yay or nay and then six months later takes a day off to film interviews for it and then takes a look at the work-in-progress to make sure he's happy with the product. There's no reason why a good product couldn't be made before 2007. If he plans on being super-involved in every detail in this massive box set then it better be worth the wait, and somehow i doubt that since the main thing people want is simply the movies themselves in high quality.
Author
Time
Post link
Are you saying that he could have released the DVD with more fixes and changes than he had already gotten to by that point?
Your focus determines your reality.
Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Are you saying that he could have released the DVD with more fixes and changes than he had already gotten to by that point?


No, I'm saying that he could have simply released the movies as they were by that point, and then waited for 2007 to do a big fixed-up thing. We would have likely gotten the 1997 SE anyway, his "definitive" version at the time (i guess only until the next release...and then again until the release after that...). Anyway, I'm pretty happy with the way things turned out though, with the exception of this whole OOT business. Personally the smartest thing to do would have been to release the OT in 2001 with the first prequel DVD, just as a bare-bones disk, because thats pretty much all people wanted at the time, and multi-disk special editions weren't as standard as they are now. Hell, if he released a two-disk DVD with the 97 SE on one disk and the 1993 LD on the second like he did now i think people would have loved it simply because the standards in 2001 were so much more forgiving; and then in 2007 released a massive box set with many disks and features and all his changes, and because people by that point would be craving special editions the set would be a giant seller with even more casual fans, whereas the upcoming 2007 will only be bought by the most die hards of die hards. But i guess hindsight is 20/20. Or probably more accurately the LFL marketing team found a way to sell us the same thing four different times in four years.
Author
Time
Post link
Oh I see what you mean, he could have put out the 97 SE instead of waiting.

I think he was trying to stick to one release, as opposed to having several because he didn't want more accusations of milking the fans.

He could have made even more money had he put out the 97 SE then the 2004 SE, then the 2007 box set, but I just don't think he's that money grubbing is all.

It was only after many of us flat out asked to be double dipped that he released the 2004 SE. I remember whole threads of people on Star Wars forums saying: "We will gladly take what you have now and also buy the super duper set later".
Your focus determines your reality.
Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: Anchorhead
Originally posted by: Mielr
I didn't watch the movie in slo-mo, I didn't watch it frame-by-frame, I just watched it, and enjoyed it. ....whatever flaws that are evident are less objectionable than the flaws in the 2004 DVDs (Greedo shooting first comes to mind....)


I agree fully. If I have to watch a movie in slow motion (or even worse, frame by frame) to notice a problem - then it's not a problem I'm going to waste any energy on.

I watched it all the way through last night. It had been years since I'd seen it and it was fading from memory. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

There were probably others but I didn't see them. I only saw far away worlds, a hero, space ships, and a princess.

Truthfully - I missed the stormtrooper glitch the day before. I only noticed it the second time because someone went to the trouble of screen grabbing it, posting it, and starting an internet discussion about it - good job.
http://www.gigabikes.com/forums/html/emoticons/slap.gif

But it's just par for the course these days. We live in a society now where people go out of their way to make sure everyone else is as unhappy as they are. I guess there weren't enough people hating it and something had to be done.


I didn't have to watch it in slow motion or frame by frame to notice it.

I watched it and enjoyed it too. I didn't post this to show how bad the release is. I just thought it was funny. Don't be such a cry baby dude.

Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
Does the 4 eyes occur on the special edition laserdisc?


No. It doesn't appear on the 1997 SE, the PAL THX releases, the Japanese SC pre-THX releases, or several other pre-THX releases (i.e. France, Germany). It's only crapped up for the THX NTSC releases (DC and Faces) -- and now the 2006 DVDs.



Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
Does the 4 eyes occur on the special edition laserdisc. I believe by that part, the cg dewbacks and crap are off screen so a screenshot would not show any alterations.

Since the DVDs are made from the NTSC DC/Faces masters, whatever flaws you see on the DVDs will also be on the DC/Faces laserdiscs (and the Faces VHS, as well)- but the DVDs look a hell of a lot better.

The Special Edition LDs were made from totally different masters.

Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Finally when he did release the classic trilogy in 2004, he said the reason he changed his mind was because his advisers were telling him that due to rampant DVD piracy and newer formats on the horizon, there might not even be a DVD market by the time he's ready.

So he released the films as they were at the time while work continued on them for the upcoming rumored 2007 set.


First, he didn't release the "classic" trilogy in 2004, he released his edits of the classic films the world originally knew.

Secondly, if there are more changes to the films coming in 2007, they will be made worse.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Finally when he did release the classic trilogy in 2004, he said the reason he changed his mind was because his advisers were telling him that due to rampant DVD piracy and newer formats on the horizon, there might not even be a DVD market by the time he's ready.

So he released the films as they were at the time while work continued on them for the upcoming rumored 2007 set.

Sure they aren't finished, but then neither were the original versions.

Most film makers just leave their films at "well that's how it turned out".

Lucas is one of the very few who put a ton of money into making these movies the best he could make them (in his opinion of course).


Right. Because everyone is going to suddenly get new players and television sets overnight. BR and HD may be the new format, but you can bet your ass that they won't catch on until sometime next year at the earliest. And that's assuming dual format players come out that can play both. Remember what happened with DVD+/-R? It didn't catch on either until manufacturers started making dual format drives. Then, practically overnight, prices dropped on the burners and media became affordable.

Here's something else to think about though. Wasn't Lucas, like Spielberg, originally backing the Divx format? That's the reason he didn't release them on DVD to begin with. He, just like Spielberg, wanted to be able to charge people everytime they watch his movie. It's a continuous revenue stream and he wouldn't even have to keep tinkering with them. Once Divx died, the pay per use format went away.

Most film makers don't just leave it as "well, that's how it turned out". To quote Quentin Tarantino "I didn't release a 'special edition' because I made the film I wanted to the first time. (my emphasis added)

I don't believe for a second that it had anything to do with piracy. He released the movies on VHS (can we say two VCRs?), laserdisc, and VCD. When it finally came time to put them on DVD he wanted nothing to do with it. Oh sure, he says it was because of piracy, but give me a break. The piracy market isn't hurting him or Hollywood nearly as badly as they claim.

When the movie was scanned and cleaned up for the 97 release, anyone, anyone with an ounce of intelligence would be smart enough to make a backup copy of the movie before making any changes.

He can lie to us all he wants. Some of us have had enough and just aren't buying the lie anymore.
F Scale score - 3.3333333333333335

You are disciplined but tolerant; a true American.

Pissing off Rob since August 2007.
Author
Time
Post link
Would that be the same Quentin Tarantino who's releasing a special edition of Kill Bill next year?




(ok, that was a cheap shot. It's the international version that he couldn't get by the U.S. Ratings Board.)
Author
Time
Post link
It's been said before that the "Faces" laserdisc set has less smearing and DVNR ghosting than Definitive Collection. So how could it be present on the master if the THX transfers were slightly different? Could it be that some noise reduction was applied on the fly during the telecine and then was further "corrected" in '93? And then when they went to the master for "One Last Time," they were smarter about how they used additional video fx?

Take back the trilogy. Execute Order '77

http://www.youtube.com/user/Knightmessenger

Author
Time
Post link
Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
It's been said before that the "Faces" laserdisc set has less smearing and DVNR ghosting than Definitive Collection. So how could it be present on the master if the THX transfers were slightly different? Could it be that some noise reduction was applied on the fly during the telecine and then was further "corrected" in '93? And then when they went to the master for "One Last Time," they were smarter about how they used additional video fx?

I own both the DC set and the Faces LDs, and the picture looks identical to me. From what I've heard, the DVNR was done at the first step, so if that's true, it would be present on both releases. For some reason however, the smearing doesn't seem to be as bad on the DVDs.