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Bobby Jay said:

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It was on some review site. I'll search for it.

EDIT: Here it is.

Have I missed some sort of joke here? I read that article a few years ago and took it to be a tongue-in-cheek look at the prequels. Maybe I'm being naive but the author seemed to use humour (perhaps misplaced) to mock PT gushers.

That's my interpretation, it might be wrong. I personally wouldn't use it as evidence that the author is a PT nut.

Edit: Sorry, just read the comment section of the article and the author himself admits it was a joke. Now I need to know if you guys knew it was a joke and where playing along or if you just over reacted?

Actually, after reading gabe's comments. he only admitted that the "slashing" incident was a joke, but not the article. Bit of a lame joke if you ask me. So Alexrd, you will need to find some other evidence that OT fans are as mental as the PT/Lucas apologist/gushers ;)

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Just wanted to mention that I've found the actual DVDACTIVE site run by Chris Gould to be quite an informative site on dvd/blu-ray releases over the years, in general.

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adywan said:

So Alexrd, you will need to find some other evidence that OT fans are as mental as the PT/Lucas apologist/gushers ;)

That was never the purpose of my post.

Bobby Jay said:

Edit: Sorry, just read the comment section of the article and the author himself admits it was a joke. Now I need to know if you guys knew it was a joke and where playing along or if you just over reacted?

Thanks for the info. Never read the comments section.

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adywan said:

I had to deal with all their type of crap when i did ANH:R. Death threats and threats of violence because i dared to "change Lucas' vision". I just can't believe how many buy into all this crap.  They refuse to believe that vader being Lukes dad, leia being the sister etc was not his original intentions, even though there is video evidence of Lucas stating this was not the case from the 70's & 80's. I find it really strange just how blinkered some people can be.
 
 

I've always believed that you weren't changing his vision. You haven't changed the story at all. You're just improving the quality of the films and trying to connect them better with the PT.

Plus, the whole Luke Leia, Bro, Sis deal. That was planned when GL first wrote Star Wars. Does anybody there watch documentries?

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WhatsMyName said:

Plus, the whole Luke Leia, Bro, Sis deal. That was planned when GL first wrote Star Wars. Does anybody there watch documentries?

Say what?

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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The thing that makes it kind of impossible to talk to those guys is this notion that there's a "double standard" like it's the new civil rights movement or some shit. The old trilogy gets a pass on things that the new one doesn't even though they are really the same, etc.. Why does this "double standard" exist? Out of some mysterious axe to grind, I guess who the fuck knows.  (And hey, let's say it's true, and people have their initial reaction but then articulate it improperly. Now what? Hold them in contempt of Star Wars Court?)

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asterisk8.... who is that in your avatar?  I look forward to your posts just to gaze; she's probably 90 by now but I don't care. :)

I have no idea! I found the pic doing a google image search for "vintage pornography" to play along with the avatar game in Off-Topic. I decided to keep it because she's really easy on the eyes. :-)

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WhatsMyName said:

Plus, the whole Luke Leia, Bro, Sis deal. That was planned when GL first wrote Star Wars. Does anybody there watch documentries?

But it wasn't. George said himself in one of the original documentaries that he didn't know who was going to end up with Leia: Luke or Han. leia was never the sister. Luke was to have a sister who was to be introduced in a later episode of the saga but, because GL decided to end it all at 6, he couldn't introduce her. he also need a reason why Luke would get so mad at vader and the sister angle was to be his breaking point. So Leia, who was the only main female character in the saga, became the sister.

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adywan said:

So Alexrd, you will need to find some other evidence that OT fans are as mental as the PT/Lucas apologist/gushers ;)

That was never the purpose of my post.

It was meant in jest, but you only originally mentioned it as a defence from people attacking prequel apologists, so it did seem that this was your purpose or else why even mention it?.

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adywan said:

WhatsMyName said:

Plus, the whole Luke Leia, Bro, Sis deal. That was planned when GL first wrote Star Wars. Does anybody there watch documentries?

But it wasn't. George said himself in one of the original documentaries that he didn't know who was going to end up with Leia: Luke or Han. leia was never the sister. Luke was to have a sister who was to be introduced in a later episode of the saga but, because GL decided to end it all at 6, he couldn't introduce her. he also need a reason why Luke would get so mad at vader and the sister angle was to be his breaking point. So Leia, who was the only main female character in the saga, became the sister.

Which one specifically? I would like to hear this myself, as I am sure others would to, and know for sure, instead of taking everyone's word for it.

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adywan said:

It was meant in jest, but you only originally mentioned it as a defence from people attacking prequel apologists, so it did seem that this was your purpose or else why even mention it?.

No. I mentioned because you were "attacked" by fanatics due to your edit/vision/opinion/whatever, and that made me remember the article's reported attack.

Extremes exist everywhere, be it PT or OT fans.

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Hold them in contempt of Star Wars Court?

The Imaginary Court was a few years back:

 

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WhatsMyName said:

Plus, the whole Luke Leia, Bro, Sis deal. That was planned when GL first wrote Star Wars. Does anybody there watch documentries?

 The documentaries say that, but it's not really true. The Luke-Leia thing was first written in only after 1980. But you don't need to investigate the matter, anyone who was around at that time--including Mark Hamill--would have sworn Lucas was just pulling one out of his pants at the last second.

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Alexrd said:

adywan said:

It was meant in jest, but you only originally mentioned it as a defence from people attacking prequel apologists, so it did seem that this was your purpose or else why even mention it?.

No. I mentioned because you were "attacked" by fanatics due to your edit/vision/opinion/whatever, and that made me remember the article's reported attack.

Extremes exist everywhere, be it PT or OT fans.

I misunderstood your intentions. i apologise

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adywan said:

WhatsMyName said:

Plus, the whole Luke Leia, Bro, Sis deal. That was planned when GL first wrote Star Wars. Does anybody there watch documentries?

But it wasn't. George said himself in one of the original documentaries that he didn't know who was going to end up with Leia: Luke or Han. leia was never the sister. Luke was to have a sister who was to be introduced in a later episode of the saga but, because GL decided to end it all at 6, he couldn't introduce her. he also need a reason why Luke would get so mad at vader and the sister angle was to be his breaking point. So Leia, who was the only main female character in the saga, became the sister.

Which one specifically? I would like to hear this myself, as I am sure others would to, and know for sure, instead of taking everyone's word for it.

It was in the making of star wars. he says "who she's going to end up with is still anyone's guess. what i will say is that Luke is more devoted to her than Han.."

 

Edit: found a video of it on youtube @ approx 2:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G87jhIeTk0w&feature=related

 

Plus there is a deleted scene from ESB where Luke and Leia move in for a kiss in the medical bay. If she was indeed intended to be his sister all along then George is one twisted guy ;)

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zombie84 said:

WhatsMyName said:

Plus, the whole Luke Leia, Bro, Sis deal. That was planned when GL first wrote Star Wars. Does anybody there watch documentries?

 The documentaries say that, but it's not really true. The Luke-Leia thing was first written in only after 1980. But you don't need to investigate the matter, anyone who was around at that time--including Mark Hamill--would have sworn Lucas was just pulling one out of his pants at the last second.

Again, like I said to Ady, let's see proof of this so we can end this particular discussion, I know, I myself would love to see proof of this either way, because as of right now, it is still just words.

 

Thanks Ady, I still am not sure by that single line that it means them to were not going to end up brother and sister, but it is very interesting none the less.

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dark_jedi said:

zombie84 said:

WhatsMyName said:

Plus, the whole Luke Leia, Bro, Sis deal. That was planned when GL first wrote Star Wars. Does anybody there watch documentries?

 The documentaries say that, but it's not really true. The Luke-Leia thing was first written in only after 1980. But you don't need to investigate the matter, anyone who was around at that time--including Mark Hamill--would have sworn Lucas was just pulling one out of his pants at the last second.

Again, like I said to Ady, let's see proof of this so we can end this particular discussion, I know, I myself would love to see proof of this either way, because as of right now, it is still just words.

Check adywan's edited post above, d_j.

Also, love Mark's hair in that clip!

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Also, it's pretty clear that Luke is trying to bang her in Empire. He says he is in love with her in an early draft, in the final draft Leia kisses him on the mouth, in the rough cut she gave him tongue, and because Ford hadn't agreed to do SW3 it is Luke and Leia who are left at the end of ESB with their arms around each other (wonder how that would have played out in SW3?). Plus, Gary Kurtz has said that Leia was never the sister and that the sister was another Jedi character. Lucas says this during the ESB story conferences of 1977 and he has her character mentioned in his 1978 ESB second draft (and no, it's not Leia).

Plus, it's just obvious from watching the films.

So, conclusively, it was an idea implemented into the storyline post-ESB. There was a sister character in ESB, starting in the story conferences and ending up in the final film--the "Other"--but it was a character distinctly separate from Leia. He combined her with Leia in SW3 because he no longer wanted to do the sequel trilogy in which she would/could have featured.

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Already did and added an edit to my own, but still not sure that is 100% positive they were not going to be brother and sister, but zombie seems to have some proof of his own I would like to read or hear.

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Heh, it's been a post-The Secret History of Star Wars world for so long that I forget sometimes that most people still believe what Lucas says. =P

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The fact that they wrote, rehearsed, lit and photographed this is kinda good enough for me.

(edit-komputers konfuse me)

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Baron, didn't you know hotlinking is for monkeys?

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I think Gary Kurtz had a similar vision to George's original one. In that clip, he says something about different adventures - but not sequels. The kind of fun one might find in Splinter of the Mind's Eye. Come to think of it, Star Wars really lends itself to TV... maybe I should give Clone Wars a second chance?

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adywan said:

Plus there is a deleted scene from ESB where Luke and Leia move in for a kiss in the medical bay. If she was indeed intended to be his sister all along then George is one twisted guy ;

I agree.  As far as the Luke/Leia angle goes, the way the footage shown on this particular ESB trailer at 0:49 secs (where we hear the words 'It's an epic of romance') is filmed, definately gave me the impression that Luke and Leia were not originally intended to be brother and sister at this point...  And still does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9utBrJhfw60

The scene that ended up in the movie is innocent enough as it's obvious Leia is merely trying to make Han jealous...but I still don't buy that this was because GL had it in mind at this point for them to discover they were siblings eventually.  The way things look in the trailer puts paid to that notion, as far as I'm concerned.

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WhatsMyName said:

Plus, the whole Luke Leia, Bro, Sis deal. That was planned when GL first wrote Star Wars. Does anybody there watch documentries?

I may be wrong, but what I think he meant was: "Plus, the whole Luke Leia, Bro, Sis deal that was planned when GL first wrote Star Wars... does anybody over there watch documentries?"

d_j, I don't think you'll need proof for this, common sense is good enough. C'mon don't be silly, you were in the cinema in '77 right? Empire was my first cinema experience, and what a first cinema experience that was! but that's another story... Return of the Jedi, even as a child I remember how stupid the " Leia as Luke's sister" was, if I had been a little older when seeing that film, I would've walked out of the theater right away.

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Luke & Leia were never intended to be related.  That's been discussed & proven a hundred times over through the years.  Lucas had writer's block and ham-fisted a way out.  He and other people in the productions have mentioned it in interviews plenty of times. 

He also shot the "there is another" scene in Empire without even knowing himself who the other would be.  It's typical of his think it up as I go style of film making. That's also been backed up with published interviews. 

Someone coming on here and feigning  seriousness when raising the question of the incest having possibly been around pre-Return and that it somehow proves all the Lucas' Original Vision bullshit is just a TFNer coming here to troll the board.

The reality of the film series is here;

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/book.html

Well-researched, backed-up with credible sources, and put together by someone who is extremely knowledgeable on all things Star Wars - particularly the history.

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Anchorhead said:

He also shot the "there is another" scene in Empire without even knowing himself who the other would be.

The smoking gun, to me, is that Yoda says "there is another" and Obiwan doesn't know it.  If the PT reflected George's "vision", then Obiwan knew about Leia and Luke being siblings all along and wouldn't have needed to be informed about this by Yoda.  The fact that after Ep.3, he somehow seemed to forget - then remember - about the siblings AND about Vader being Luke's father, means either that George was just forcing it in after the fact, or that Han was right and Obiwan was seriously senile.

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