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I'll put that one (Throne Room) up soon, and they are indeed a matte painting, and they blend just fine with the actors next to them, especially given that your eye is drawn to the actors center frame walking down the stairs.  There is only one argument at the heart of every, "this should be changed" opinion: that what it currently is isn't good enough.  No matter what metric you want to use, that argument is unustainable.  What it is built Star Wars; leaving it will not erode Star Wars' legacy. Sure, if you change it, fewer people will notice.  Even fewer will care. Beyond good or bad, it simply isn't necessary.


Tractor Beam Power

Falcon Hangar Matte Painting 1

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The problem is that a lot of people judge the old effects based on the home video releases, and most likely the original pan and scan ones from the 80s. The video transfers of the time had the brightness and gamma increased so the image would "read" better on tube TVs, causing separate elements which matched well in the theater to suddenly stick out like a sore thumb because the density differences between the elements were magnified.

Go back and watch older mid/late 80s VHS versions of big studio releases, everything is bright and neutral. This is why 90s remasters like the last pre-SE versions of the Star Wars trilogy looked so revelatory (at least to me) - even with the DVNR, the contrast was much improved over the older versions. You could still see garbage mattes and stuff, but it was nowhere near as bad as the old videos.

My point is, people who complain about the effects based on the films looked on home video need to read the old ILM book, they knew full well that video transfers exposed/magnified a lot of their tricks and seams (garbage mattes, partially transparent exposures, etc.) and they were dismayed by it too.

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One thing that bugs me about that seen is how the back of the millennium falcon

is chopped off.

It was less noticeable on VHS in 4:3 but it was still there.

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Klasodeth said:

Leonardo said:

Does not compute. AFAIK you don't put chapstick in your brain.

 Well, if chapstick does not get put on the brain, then clearly it cannot prevent a chapped brain now, can it?

 Thank you for stopping by, Ric Olie.

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Again, a shot I thought was ugly, that was actually very nice underneath years of dust and neglect.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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This is really great work, Mike! I had a quick question: how do you handle grading and restoration between different shots that have a wipe between them? I can't imagine it's easy creating a clean enough matte seperating them. 

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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It's a Goddamn Fucking Nightmare.  

Most of the time, the incoming color "pops" on halfway through the wipe which makes it that much harder.  Like anything else, if you want to take the time, you can do pretty much anything.

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Looking beautiful as always!  :)

I think I saw a vertical line on top of the speeder, is that an antenna? I don't remember if it's there in other shots.

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Yeah mverta.

I can feel you have so much passion and it's simply inspiring!

That color-grading madness, same thing happened in music-industy, although they seem to reach an end to the loudness-war.

It is simply compressing the shit out of everything, literally destroying information. I don't think one should be allowed to such a degree.

In a thousand years when new civilizations will dig up old films, they will go like "why do movies from >2'000 look so bad, did the world turn blue?".

It's so crazy, can't even take it really serious. And I hear all those professionals saying about the need of color-grading and how much it enhances the picture. In reality it's just become as simple and harsh as pulling a total teal-orange rule over everything. There is not a grain of artistical enhancement or improvement and every child should just look and the screen and laugh!

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Buddhamaster, you're right about the music industry (my first career is as a composer and audio engineer).  We spent all this energy getting ourselves 24-bits of dynamic range and now use 1-bit of it, thanks to loudness maximizers.  I'm not sure what the point of meters are anymore, since they just need to sit at 0 fullscale.  Back in the day I lived by my Dorroughs, and right around the time TASA began issuing rulings because movie trailers were fighting it out for loudness (Godzilla won), I knew we were in trouble.

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I always liked the wolfman. I mean he looks like a highschool student's helloween costume but it perfectly fits the scene

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I'm with you Mike—wolfman is one of my favourite cantina aliens too.  It's nice to see him looking so good.

“It’s a lot of fun… it’s a lot of fun to watch Star Wars.” – Bill Moyers

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pittrek said:

I always liked the wolfman. I mean he looks like a highschool student's helloween costume but it perfectly fits the scene

 Well, it was something Rick Baker had lying around when the Cantina inserts were shot in California. It wasn't made specifically for the movie.

Ironic that Lak Sivrak, (the other wolfman) finally got an action figure in 1998, after he was erased from the scene. ;)

Where were you in '77?

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As someone lacking experience there's nothing I can really add to the conversation, but know that I'm checking out these videos too.  As I may have said before, your dedication is beyond impressive.  Thanks for being more open about the goings on of Legacy in recent months.  We all appreciate it.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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mverta said:

Cantina Wolfman 2

The green spots on the vicious looking penis in the DVD/BD is probably just down to the ugly regrading. The cyan looks severely boosted there by the look of the cup in the right corner.

Awesome work in all the videos you've posted.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Wolfman is looking great. 

In the wolfman 1 video, it looks like there is a bit of purple (?) light bleeding through at the bottom. Is this an artifact from the scan or part of the shot or... something that still needs to be cleaned up?

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mverta said:

Experience or not, both enthusiasm and criticism are always welcomed.

 How about both?

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Your feet smell!

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I can't actually back that up.  It's possible, but it's hard to tell from where I'm sitting.

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Film can be used as toilet-paper?

*edit* let me correct: If the Special Edition's were not on disc, they could've been a lucrative business