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ChainsawAsh said:

No, 4K77 isn’t Legacy.

4K77 exists.

This is the biggest and most important truth.

You will never see Legacy. If Legacy was completed, it might as well not have been in my opinion. Bumping this thread every few months to say “boy, I wish I could see Legacy” or “it sure would be nice if Mike gave us an update” are useless.

I’d be glad to be proven wrong, but I’ll be perfectly happy when 4K77 v2.0 comes out regardless.

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DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Dek Rollins said:

I’d be glad to be proven wrong, but I’ll be perfectly happy when 4K77 v2.0 comes out regardless.

I’d go so far as to say if 4K77 v2.0 is even 70% what’s being aimed for, it’s going to be better than what Verta’s presumed-to-be finished product was.

This is a landmark project in the fan-preservation community, don’t get me wrong. It showed a lot of people what could be done, and inspired a lot of people on its own, even though it never came out. But it’s also probably long past time to recognize that even if it HAD come out, 4k77 (and projects built on, and incorporating that work) would have superseded it anyway.

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It’s true, we will probably never see it, so too bad. I’m not comfortable with what sounds like people speaking ill of him or his project, though. His goal was always to get an official release out of it—a lofty but laudable goal at which he was always unlikely to succeed. It’s a shame that we’ll never see it, but there’s no reason to speak ill of the project, Mike, or people who voice a desire to see it.

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It had to be that way in order to exist in the first place. And it was an ‘official release or bust’ strategy. It just couldn’t have been any other way, frustrating as that may be.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

What did I miss?

You can scrub back to the start of the video on YouTube live, but even so, he basically says right up front that there’s not much he’s discussing that he hasn’t already put on his Vimeo over the years. The novelty is that it’s on YouTube now and he’s doing a live Q&A with the people in the live chat.

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In these times I’m happy to listen to MV talk about this stuff endlessly, way into the shop talk on restoration as a whole, plus it was really nice to see him talking about legacy at all as the vimeo uploads are from a few years ago now.

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Some absolutely fascinating stuff shared here. I’m saving a copy in case it goes down.

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Yeah, it was fun to hop on for part of.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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I have to say he does good work, but the man is ignorant as to why Lucas edited out some of these shots. He keeps saying there is no reason and even after he cleans them up, I can see the reason and it isn’t what he thinks it is. For instance, the Wolfman was replaced not becasue of the quality of the shot, but because of the mask itself that Lucas hated. And the composite shot outside Yavin base just looks horrible because the matte painting looks so fake when you get to higher resolutions. We all still love the original, but Mike doesn’t seem to understand what drove Lucas to make the changes he made. It was not the quality of the shots, it was the composition and the flaws in production that had been under his skin.

Nice to hear from him after so long, but kind of depressing that nothing is going to come of this.

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yotsuya said:

Nice to hear from him after so long, but kind of depressing that nothing is going to come of this.

We don’t actually know this. Lucasfilm/Disney isn’t interested, but after copyright expiration, public-domain outfits like Laserlight may be. They’re always looking to… well… do things on the cheap (even moreso than Lucasfilm), so a pre-made preservation of a previously-unavailable popular classic film would, I’d think, attract quite a lot of interest from them.

Sure, it’d be Mike’s grandkids inking the deal and our grandkids buying the discs (or cranial implants or whatever), but something could still come of Legacy, even if it’s nothing more than a new copy of the film for the Library of Congress (which, frankly, is enough in its own right IMO). It’s always been about the long term goal of preserving history for future generations, not the short-term goal of watching it in our lifetimes. Although I think everyone involved thinks that would have been nice too.

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but after copyright expiration

I’m not at all convinced this is ever going to happen, and currently have no reason to believe it ever will.

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Broom Kid said:

but after copyright expiration

I’m not at all convinced this is ever going to happen, and currently have no reason to believe it ever will.

While I agree copyright extensions are already to ludicrous levels and may get worse, never is a very long time. It’s just my opinion, but I think they’ll give up before they hit 10,000 years. Also, the fact that copyright terms are codified into so many multilateral trade agreements actually makes further extensions a lot more complicated than they were only a decade or so ago. Not impossible, but certainly more expensive.

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CatBus said:

Broom Kid said:

but after copyright expiration

I’m not at all convinced this is ever going to happen, and currently have no reason to believe it ever will.

While I agree copyright extensions are already to ludicrous levels and may get worse, never is a very long time. It’s just my opinion, but I think they’ll give up before they hit 10,000 years. Also, the fact that copyright terms are codified into so many multilateral trade agreements actually makes further extensions a lot more complicated than they were only a decade or so ago. Not impossible, but certainly more expensive.

Unfortunately, at that point no-one cares. The film is owned by the one company that’s notoriously one of the reasons of updating the whole copyright law and already none of their films have been made to public domain. With limitless money you can change the laws.

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Really I think our only hope is now that there aren’t any “skywalker saga” films coming out in the foreseeable future, interest in the franchise is sure to drop a bit. Lucasfilm and Disney might see a theatrical re-release of the OUT as a good way to keep the money flowing and fan interest peaked once the Rise of Skywalker buzz wanes.

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LexX said:

CatBus said:

Broom Kid said:

but after copyright expiration

I’m not at all convinced this is ever going to happen, and currently have no reason to believe it ever will.

While I agree copyright extensions are already to ludicrous levels and may get worse, never is a very long time. It’s just my opinion, but I think they’ll give up before they hit 10,000 years. Also, the fact that copyright terms are codified into so many multilateral trade agreements actually makes further extensions a lot more complicated than they were only a decade or so ago. Not impossible, but certainly more expensive.

Unfortunately, at that point no-one cares. The film is owned by the one company that’s notoriously one of the reasons of updating the whole copyright law and already none of their films have been made to public domain. With limitless money you can change the laws.

By “before 10,000 years” I suppose I should have specified that I’m predicting considerably less than 10,000 years, but you know the Internet and sarcasm tags. I think they’re standardized at around lifetime+90 now, I’d say lifetime+120 is the limit before ludicrous turns untenable, at least on a global scale (all it takes is one country holding out and the whole extension house of cards collapses, with global trade and the Internet making imports not the hurdle they used to be). And at lifetime+120, there will be plenty of Star Wars fans still in existence. We won’t all have evolved into Eloi yet. I, however, will have evolved into mulch – I’ll grant that much.

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CatBus said:

LexX said:

CatBus said:

Broom Kid said:

but after copyright expiration

I’m not at all convinced this is ever going to happen, and currently have no reason to believe it ever will.

While I agree copyright extensions are already to ludicrous levels and may get worse, never is a very long time. It’s just my opinion, but I think they’ll give up before they hit 10,000 years. Also, the fact that copyright terms are codified into so many multilateral trade agreements actually makes further extensions a lot more complicated than they were only a decade or so ago. Not impossible, but certainly more expensive.

Unfortunately, at that point no-one cares. The film is owned by the one company that’s notoriously one of the reasons of updating the whole copyright law and already none of their films have been made to public domain. With limitless money you can change the laws.

By “before 10,000 years” I suppose I should have specified that I’m predicting considerably less than 10,000 years, but you know the Internet and sarcasm tags. I think they’re standardized at around lifetime+90 now, I’d say lifetime+120 is the limit before ludicrous turns untenable, at least on a global scale (all it takes is one country holding out and the whole extension house of cards collapses, with global trade and the Internet making imports not the hurdle they used to be). And at lifetime+120, there will be plenty of Star Wars fans still in existence. We won’t all have evolved into Eloi yet. I, however, will have evolved into mulch – I’ll grant that much.

I know, and naturally I didn’t take it seriously. I meant that even in 2100, I don’t think anyone cares anymore. Maybe just a niche group likes it as an interesting tidbit, but they don’t have anything personal attachment to it to care what version they are watching, if at all.

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I might be mistaken, but it seems in this new YouTube video he contradicted himself on a couple of things. Before he said the alignment of sources were performed with a semi-automatic software using the method of image registration - there even was a video demonstrating it on the SW logo. In this latest videocast he said he did the alignment manually. Also, earlier he seemed sure that he couldn’t get any additional detail from the o-neg, but now he seems to think otherwise.

Also, the difference between the raw scan of the crawl and the restored version wasn’t just ‘stacking sources’, he used a cleaner version of every line of text from earlier in the sequence to fix those deteriorated top lines.

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Williarob has said that when he got some project files from Mike, the techniques actually used in the project files were often not at all what he showed on his Vimeo uploads, so I’m not really surprised at more contradictions.

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csd79 said:

I might be mistaken, but it seems in this new YouTube video he contradicted himself on a couple of things. Before he said the alignment of sources were performed with a semi-automatic software using the method of image registration - there even was a video demonstrating it on the SW logo.

iirc Mike’s always said that the stabilization had to be done by hand. I think he used the image registration software to fix warping.

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iirc Mike’s always said that the stabilization had to be done by hand. I think he used the image registration software to fix warping.

He now says (at 21:32) he had to register all elements of each frame by hand.
https://youtu.be/G3W_O-tp0_g?t=1253

But what he describes after this is manual gate weave reduction. If you want to align every feature of the frame, you need something like a grid-based transformation, which is very hard to do consistently by hand over 1000’s of frames.

Maybe his tool did automatic registration, but with the option to override the transformation when the program does something wrong. That would mean he actually had to really verify it frame by frame and make corrections before composition.