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Let’s hope the cycle ends this time as that was George doing that before. That and Disney said they wouldn’t be making anymore edits.

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https://www.thedigitalfix.com/film/content/105409/exclusive-skywalker-saga-4k/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

Update (22:20 on 11/04/19): Following a second conversation our contact helped clarify that Disney are working towards delivering something that will “please fans” and that the original material has come from a “variety of source … much of the original film and negative stock was in poor condition even before George worked on the Special Editions” and the restoration team sought out the “best possible version” of each scene within the LucasFilm and Fox archives. The original trilogy 4K remaster was started way back in 2014 and has been through a number of iterations as new alternative/better copies of some scenes have come to light. The print watched by Gareth Edwards has had some improvement since he viewed it but everything other than Episodes II and III has been locked in now.

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LordZerome1080 said:

Let’s hope the cycle ends this time as that was George doing that before. That and Disney said they wouldn’t be making anymore edits.

We broke this cycle the minute the first film print got scanned around here. We don’t have to climb the hill Lucasfilm has covered with banana peels anymore. 😉

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Let’s hope that article comes true.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

LordZerome1080 said:

Let’s hope that article comes true.

Meh. It says nothing about whether the OUT will be made available.

That’s because an official announcement hasn’t been made and he doesn’t want to get fired or sued.

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There is something you need to know: there is no conspirary to hide away the OOT. If the guy doesn’t mention the OOT, it’s just because it ain’t about the OOT. If one day they release them, it will be clear and crystal. The Star Wars canon for Ep I to VI are the cuts available since 2011.

I’m glad it seems they might have found a way to improve the video quality of even Ep II and III. The “will please fans” is probably all deleted scenes available in HD (like the ones showed last year with “this Sith Lord” being said during ANH officer meeting).

“I have to say that I felt George’s group of six films had more innovative visual imagination, and this film was more of a retrenchment to things you had seen before and characters you had seen before, and it took a few baby steps forward with new characters.” - James Cameron about Episode VII.

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One of the things that I love about film franchises receiving DVD and Blu-Ray releases are some of the gorgeous box sets that the studios put together. They can be pricy, but still nice. The Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter have some great box sets with great artwork too. I would love it if Lucasfilm puts out a nine film box set of all three trilogies, each film with their own artwork, and nearly every behind the scene extra, featurette, documentary, and all the deleted scenes are released on the set as well. It was a real shame that the Blu-ray releases of the prequels didn’t include upscaled versions of the superior deleted scenes released with their DVD releases.

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The part about “Four discs per film for the 4k, three for the standard blu” made my heart sink a little, since that might mean they’re once again going to give the two different versions unequal treatment, with the 4k UHD only including the SE in 4k and relegating the unaltered version to 1080p.

When we have actual 4k transfers of these movies made by the fans and LFL actually has the ability to do us one better with a professional cleanup from a scan of higher quality elements only they possess, it would be a real shame if they gave us the OOT only to lock it into a level of quality from 13 years ago. Deja vu, man.

Again, this is assuming anything in this article isn’t total clickbait bs. The timing makes it highly suspect.

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You can put two cuts on the same disc easily, especially considering 4K discs are usually feature film only.

Hell, Close Encounters 4K is three cuts with seemless branching.

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Fang Zei said:

The part about “Four discs per film for the 4k, three for the standard blu”

Meaning the fourth disc is the 4k version ? (like dvd/bluray bundles)

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That’s what he’s saying - disc 1 would be the SE in 4K, disc 2 the SE in 1080p, disc 3 the OT in 1080p, and disc 4 is extras (in 1080p). The standard BR release would just drop the 4K disc.

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If—IF—the OUT is coming, I don’t see them doing that. We’ve heard about how they’ve been scanning all the old elements in. They’d have no excuse, whereas with the GOUT they avoided a lot of effort by putting out the LD master. They’ll have to make a new transfer for Blu, so 4k won’t be any more work.

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ChainsawAsh said:

That’s what he’s saying - disc 1 would be the SE in 4K, disc 2 the SE in 1080p, disc 3 the OT in 1080p, and disc 4 is extras (in 1080p). The standard BR release would just drop the 4K disc.

Exactly, which would once again be giving the two versions unequal treatment (both versions get 1080p but only the SE gets released on UHD).

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Fang Zei said:

ChainsawAsh said:

That’s what he’s saying - disc 1 would be the SE in 4K, disc 2 the SE in 1080p, disc 3 the OT in 1080p, and disc 4 is extras (in 1080p). The standard BR release would just drop the 4K disc.

Exactly, which would once again be giving the two versions unequal treatment (both versions get 1080p but only the SE gets released on UHD).

I don’t think the GOUT was malicious. It was just lazy. It would be different if they released the OUT now. They’ve got all the elements scanned ready to go if they ever want to release it, and there’s not an existing HD master of the OUT they can just dump on Blu-Ray.

Not saying they will release, just if they do, I suspect they’ll do it right.

And with a 100 GB BD, seemless branching in 4K is totally doable.

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Fang Zei said:

The part about “Four discs per film for the 4k, three for the standard blu” made my heart sink a little, since that might mean they’re once again going to give the two different versions unequal treatment, with the 4k UHD only including the SE in 4k and relegating the unaltered version to 1080p.

When we have actual 4k transfers of these movies made by the fans and LFL actually has the ability to do us one better with a professional cleanup from a scan of higher quality elements only they possess, it would be a real shame if they gave us the OOT only to lock it into a level of quality from 13 years ago. Deja vu, man.

Again, this is assuming anything in this article isn’t total clickbait bs. The timing makes it highly suspect.

My guess is, that they will respect Lucas’ wishes by not restoring the OOT as a whole. What they might possibly do, is to release a whole bunch of restored unreleased footage at 1080p, and in those same extras include the restored OOT scenes.

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So, basically a DIY OOT restoration kit? I could possibly live with that.

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Fang Zei said:

ChainsawAsh said:

That’s what he’s saying - disc 1 would be the SE in 4K, disc 2 the SE in 1080p, disc 3 the OT in 1080p, and disc 4 is extras (in 1080p). The standard BR release would just drop the 4K disc.

Exactly, which would once again be giving the two versions unequal treatment (both versions get 1080p but only the SE gets released on UHD).

Honestly, I wouldn’t complain at this point. If I got a good restoration of the original trilogy in 1080p all from original film elements done right, then I’m going to be a happy camper. If that’s what this release turns out to be then I hope that people don’t boycott it based purely on that.

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DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

The part about “Four discs per film for the 4k, three for the standard blu” made my heart sink a little, since that might mean they’re once again going to give the two different versions unequal treatment, with the 4k UHD only including the SE in 4k and relegating the unaltered version to 1080p.

When we have actual 4k transfers of these movies made by the fans and LFL actually has the ability to do us one better with a professional cleanup from a scan of higher quality elements only they possess, it would be a real shame if they gave us the OOT only to lock it into a level of quality from 13 years ago. Deja vu, man.

Again, this is assuming anything in this article isn’t total clickbait bs. The timing makes it highly suspect.

My guess is, that they will respect Lucas’ wishes by not restoring the OOT as a whole. What they might possibly do, is to release a whole bunch of restored unreleased footage at 1080p, and in those same extras include the restored OOT scenes.

I’m not convinced that those are exactly his wishes. Lucas is not against film restoration.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Fang Zei said:

ChainsawAsh said:

That’s what he’s saying - disc 1 would be the SE in 4K, disc 2 the SE in 1080p, disc 3 the OT in 1080p, and disc 4 is extras (in 1080p). The standard BR release would just drop the 4K disc.

Exactly, which would once again be giving the two versions unequal treatment (both versions get 1080p but only the SE gets released on UHD).

Honestly, I wouldn’t complain at this point. If I got a good restoration of the original trilogy in 1080p all from original film elements done right, then I’m going to be a happy camper. If that’s what this release turns out to be then I hope that people don’t boycott it based purely on that.

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DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

The part about “Four discs per film for the 4k, three for the standard blu” made my heart sink a little, since that might mean they’re once again going to give the two different versions unequal treatment, with the 4k UHD only including the SE in 4k and relegating the unaltered version to 1080p.

When we have actual 4k transfers of these movies made by the fans and LFL actually has the ability to do us one better with a professional cleanup from a scan of higher quality elements only they possess, it would be a real shame if they gave us the OOT only to lock it into a level of quality from 13 years ago. Deja vu, man.

Again, this is assuming anything in this article isn’t total clickbait bs. The timing makes it highly suspect.

My guess is, that they will respect Lucas’ wishes by not restoring the OOT as a whole. What they might possibly do, is to release a whole bunch of restored unreleased footage at 1080p, and in those same extras include the restored OOT scenes.

I’m not convinced that those are exactly his wishes. Lucas is not against film restoration.

Yep. Also if he truly never wanted them released again in any capacity he wouldnt have caved with the GOUT. Yes he cheated us by using LD masters but it at least shows he’s not fully against them being available. If Disney/LF made the decision to fund a restoration of the OUT and have it released, I really doubt George would care (it’s not his money).

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The most damning thing you can say about Lucas is that he’s opposed to the availability of certain films, and that’s a big problem and I’ve criticized him relentlessly for that over the years, but I don’t believe that he would demand the films not be restored. I won’t get my hopes up just yet because it is very possible that Disney will just continue to ignore the existence of the pre-SE versions of these films, but I will say that this seems to be, by far, the most credible rumor yet. It also lends a little more credibility to the past rumors if it’s true that they’ve been working on the restoration since 2014, which is when all the nonstop rumors started up.

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Here’s my two cents.

As always we have to speculate endlessly due to a lack of reliable information, communication or any news outside of the usual snippets here and there. Ever since the 2012 sale there is apparently no legal reason why the OOT cannot be presented so it would make little sense to not begin a 4K restoration. Combined with the fact that no SE version exists in 4K and neither do the added effects, it becomes even more necessary for a product maintenance standpoint in terms of the company’s mind to make a new 4K master from the original elements in order to have a new presentable version for all 4K platforms and future events etc. The 97SE could be scanned in 4K but the VFX added were somewhere around 1K at the time as far as I can understand it so they will not hold up. Otherwise you only have 1080p for the 2004 and 2011 editions.

When the footage included in Rogue One popped up of original Battle of Yavin elements incorporated into the film that was the clincher for me as being the one bit of proof that Disney was very likely already working on some type of in house restoration project if only for archival purposes like many of their other restorations that are still unreleased even years after completion.

I do think that 4K is on the horizon for Star Wars in some form and that it will be a version of the OOT. Of course all we can do now is speculate. But knowing Disney’s usual methods of Blu-ray presentation and video mastering etc. I would assume that eventually we will be presented with a rather well done 4K OOT without alterations a’la the restoration of Mary Poppins and the new version will have a 5.1/7.1 mix probably based on the 70mm mixes. It has been stated in interviews that LFL has all the theatrical tracks digitally archived and available for usage but I’m sure we won’t get those on disc sadly and if we do it will only be as a lossy extra track perhaps in a more deluxe box set version.
I would worry about the color timing though since Disney and others still let teal and other color infusion happen even in new remasters. (AOTC went a bit green on the Blu-ray.)

I’ll bet that they’re having a VERY rough time with AOTC and ROTS due to them being early digital shoots. TPM should and CAN look great outside the soft digital elements. I will say though that my memory of the theatrical showings I saw on the original runs all were great. I wish I could remember technical details more clearly but I saw TPM opening week in Dolby EX, AOTC and ROTS on midnight releases, AOTC in 35mm several times and the IMAX version. I do remember being surprised when the video releases came out for each at how much more obvious all of the digital work and effects were. It looked much better on 35mm but I didn’t see any of the DCP showings of either one.

So in short, I think it is coming at some point-but the chances of getting what we should have in the form of a Blade Runner style set with all versions available for fans should they choose to buy the complete box set are very slim. (Not to mention that even though I adore that set and waited outside the local Best Buy day of release to get a copy-it isn’t perfect and standardizes the archival versions a bit in the way that I think the OOT would be on 4K UHD. And now WB has only done the Final Cut in 4K leaving the other versions and all the extras stuck in the old disc forms.)

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If the next home video release of the Star Wars Trilogy looks as good and is as true to source as the Mary Poppins Blu-Ray, that would be quite the coup indeed! I would pay a pretty penny for that!

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moviefreakedmind said:

Fang Zei said:

ChainsawAsh said:

That’s what he’s saying - disc 1 would be the SE in 4K, disc 2 the SE in 1080p, disc 3 the OT in 1080p, and disc 4 is extras (in 1080p). The standard BR release would just drop the 4K disc.

Exactly, which would once again be giving the two versions unequal treatment (both versions get 1080p but only the SE gets released on UHD).

Honestly, I wouldn’t complain at this point. If I got a good restoration of the original trilogy in 1080p all from original film elements done right, then I’m going to be a happy camper. If that’s what this release turns out to be then I hope that people don’t boycott it based purely on that.

Oh, I’d look at such a scenario glass half full, to be sure. More than half, even. There’s a big debate in the AV community right now as to whether or not HDR is inherently revisionist for older movies anyway. I’ve even heard it argued that the dynamic range of regular sdr blu-ray is already exceeding that of the original prints of many older films as well.

I’ve also heard it argued, scientifically, that 35mm film prints of movies probably never exhibited anything higher than 720p in terms of real perceivable detail anyway. The story doesn’t even change much if we go back to the camera negative. Even Robert A. Harris has argued that The Godfather films wouldn’t stand to gain much from being seen at their full 4k resolution.

The counterargument, of course, is that a restrained use of HDR (or just no HDR at all) combined with the higher resolution and wider color gamut UHD affords would actually bring us closest to how the OOT originally looked in theaters.

It’s also the principle of the thing. Both versions should be made available on the most recent format and not just the SE.

But considering I skipped the GOUT and the 2011 blu-ray, yeah, I’d probably pick this up.