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Star Wars: Oscar Isaac Talks The ‘Beautiful’ Way Episode IX Portrays Leia’…

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/star-wars-episode-ix/star-wars-oscar-isaac-talks-beautiful-way-episode-ix-portrays-leia/

 

Todd Fisher on Carrie’s continuing legacy: 'There’s a lot more to come’…

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/todd-fisher-carries-continuing-legacy-lot/story?id=60049395

 

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Force-Abel said:

Carrie Fisher’s brother reveals new details about Leia’s ‘Rise of Skywalker’ role: ‘She was going to be the last Jedi’:-

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/details-of-carrie-fishers-rise-of-skywalker-role-revealed-210514180.html

Hard to take what he says without a little grain of salt, as we know the script went through multiple revisions between the different screenwriters and directors. That being said, obviously what we’ll end up with will be a much less prominent role for Carrie than they ever would have wanted to do.

In my mind, the interesting nugget here is that he says they had 8 minutes of footage of her, and analyzed every frame and then “reverse-engineered” them. If we are to take those statements at face value, it’s interesting to consider. On one hand, 8 minutes doesn’t sound like a whole lot in what’ll be a 155 minute movie. On the other hand, if it really is 8 minutes, that’s rather extraordinary considering the circumstances.

For reference, I did a quick search for screen time breakdown by character in the Star Wars movies, and was delighted to find a comprehensive list on the subject here: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls027631145/

So, if Leia’s role is 8 minutes long in the film, it’ll be a significant step down from the previous two OT character send offs (Han with 20:30 in TFA, and Luke with 21:15 in TLJ), which is to be expected. But, if it is 8 minutes, it’ll be on par with her role in the other two ST films (6:15 in TFA, 8:45 in TLJ). Which leaves me somewhat optimistic. If the footage is indeed integrated seamlessly and tastefully, this will have been a much better solution than writing her out of the film entirely, which would have felt jarring and clunky. We’ll never get that perfect sendoff picture that Carrie and Leia deserved (really, across all her appearances she deserved more), but if she’s got 8 minutes, and we have a film that treats her like Poochie (so to speak), we could still end up with a film that belongs to Carrie/Leia in spirit, if not actuality (I mean she does have top billing).

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adywan said:

There isn’t going to be 8 minutes of Carrie. They had 8 minutes available and analysed every frame. This doesn’t mean that they were able to use every second of that footage though. I’d say it’s going to be a lot less than that.

Yes I know (plus who’s to say there even is 8 minutes of footage). This is all secondhand information so it’s hard to trust it completely anyway. Just working out the best case scenario. Star Wars is about hope, isn’t it?

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Force-Abel said:

Carrie Fisher’s brother reveals new details about Leia’s ‘Rise of Skywalker’ role: ‘She was going to be the last Jedi’:-

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/details-of-carrie-fishers-rise-of-skywalker-role-revealed-210514180.html

It aligns with what Mark said about her being trained by Luke as a Jedi in George’s Treatments for Episode IX before Luke passes on. That was a big theory of mine that it would be her children who bring Balance of the Force on a place like Mortis with Anakin while she’s left as the one to carry on the legacy in this realm. I wonder if they’ll repurpose this by making Finn the last Jedi.

Either way it’s really tragic and sad we will never see Leia’s true potential. I’m grateful though that we’ll see Leia in some compacity in The Rise of Skywalker. I hope it’s as satisfying conclusion as can be for her.

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The “8 minutes” thing also makes it seem like they really are only using TFA outtakes, since I can’t imagine that between TFA and TLJ there was only 8 minutes of unused footage of her. Unless RJ used everything he had and put everything else on the BR deleted scenes section (assuming they’re trying to avoid using any footage we’ve seen, even if it wasn’t actually in the films).

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The TROS trailer footage of Rey and Leia embracing looks like slightly altered footage from TFA, right? Quickly looking at image comparisons online, it looks like they’ve kept Leia’s head but have replaced her body entirely so she’s wearing a different outfit. Her hair style is the same as TFA.

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ChainsawAsh said:

The “8 minutes” thing also makes it seem like they really are only using TFA outtakes, since I can’t imagine that between TFA and TLJ there was only 8 minutes of unused footage of her. Unless RJ used everything he had and put everything else on the BR deleted scenes section (assuming they’re trying to avoid using any footage we’ve seen, even if it wasn’t actually in the films).

Well I don’t think it’s that hard to believe. When TFA came out, the editors said there was around 20-30 minutes of deleted scenes, and what did we end up with on the BD, 10? Whereas for TLJ, we did get about 30 minutes of deleted material on the BD, and I can’t find any sign or mention of any scenes that were shot but didn’t make it on disc. Of course, there are always moments and lines here and there that get trimmed and never show up in anything, so it’s possible that there’s some extra Carrie bits, but it’s probably just as possible that there isn’t.

When you factor in as well that Leia specifically had a subplot that was cut from TFA (though who knows how much there is besides what we’ve seen), plus we know that there was a lot of rewriting/reshoots/restructuring with that film (there’s at least one Leia scene, from the trailer, we know they shot that didn’t make it on disc), I think it makes sense that they’re pulling from TFA primarily. But we’ll see when it comes out. I’d love a really in depth doc on how her role (however the size) was accomplished, though I fear that’s the sort of thing they’d rather not go into.

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DominicCobb said:

Billie Lourd mentions Leia in TROS in this, but it really should be read because it’s just a very nice and touching piece in general about her relationship with her mother - https://time.com/5720323/billie-lourd-princess-leia-essay-carrie-fisher/

An illuminating and poignant article, that mate - nice one on posting it up.

 
 

From the 2017 article at Vanity Fair - Cover Story: Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the Definitive Preview - on Carrie Fisher’s planned larger role for IX, it being ‘her film’ (in the context that TFA had Harrison ‘front & centre’, and TLJ had Mark ‘front & centre’), before her passing…

'Fisher had a bigger role to play in The Last Jedi — General Leia Organa logs significantly more screen time in Episode VIII than she did in VII. Isaac, who filmed several scenes with Fisher, said that, like Hamill, she delivered a rich performance, giving her all as an actor, rather than treating Leia’s part as an exercise in feel-good sentimentalism. “We did this scene where Carrie has to slap me,” he said. “I think we did 27 takes in all, and Carrie leaned into it every time, man. She loved hitting me. Rian found such a wonderful way of working with her, and I think she really relished it.”

For his part, Johnson quickly formed a deep bond with Fisher as a fellow writer, spending long hours with her at the eccentric compound she shared with her mother, Debbie Reynolds, in the Coldwater Canyon section of Beverly Hills. “After I had a draft, I would sit down with her when I was working on re-writing,” he said. “Sitting with her on her bed, in her insane bedroom with all this crazy modern art around us, TCM on the TV, a constant stream of Coca-Cola, and Gary the dog slobbering at her feet.” (For visuals on this characteristic state of affairs chez Fisher, I highly recommend Alexis Bloom and Fisher Stevens’s HBO documentary, Bright Lights: Starring Carrie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds.)

Fisher completed her part in Episode VIII late last summer, when principal photography on the film wrapped. She was having a blast, said Kennedy. The minute she finished, she grabbed me and said, ‘I’d better be at the forefront of IX!’ Because Harrison was front and center on VII, and Mark is front and center on VIII. She thought IX would be her movie. And it would have been.”’
 

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I hope we see more of Billie Lourd in the franchise - though I do hope IX will be the last we will see of Leia in live action films or tv.

Animated series in the future is fine and dandy, no problem. Though personally I think they should leave her last mark in the films with Carrie performing as Leia.

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