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Hmm, interesting. The UK LD set just has 3 chapters on the end of ROTJ which are 2 featurettes (one for each film) about not being 100% happy with the orig version and going back to them and what was changed for the SE versions. I imagine this is the same as what's on the US ones - just not split up into small chapters..? The UK releases also don't have the trailers, but do come in a nice book-cover style box, and each film has it's own rather nice looking gloss finish sleeve.
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Those sleeves are nice. Similar to the Japanese release, I think. LINK Beautiful box and sleeve art!

The US version was not nearly as elaborate, unfortunately. It came in a black faux-leather-grain box with a slide-out drawer containing the discs (silver Vader image on front of box). The discs are in plain black-paper sleeves with plastic lining. The fold-out insert has the Struzan artwork for the 3 films on the front, some photos and text inside, and the chapter listings on the back.
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Popping in to update the first entry to mention the best source of the original 1977 Star Wars as being the *widescreen* telecine bootleg. Previously we only knew about the Starkiller one: much lower quality and in full-screen (no pan & scan) only.

--SKot

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Originally posted by: SKot
Popping in to update the first entry to mention the best source of the original 1977 Star Wars as being the *widescreen* telecine bootleg.
--SKot

Interesting.

A friend of mine had a vhs (or beta) copy of Star Wars that he showed me around Christmastime in 1977.
(he was about 8 years old at the time- I was 7). I assume his father got the tape for him, and I often wonder now where he got it & what the source was. It was really my first exposure to the film.

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=6994
I think this is it.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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Originally posted by: bkev
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=6994
I think this is it.
Yes, that's the one.

Best historical artifact on these boards, and best evidence of the truth that we have.

May it never be forgotten!

--SKot

Projects:
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The Star Wars TV Commercials Project [DORMANT]
Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation [ONGOING]
Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
Iznogoud (1995 animated series) English audio preservation [ONGOING]

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Originally posted by: SKot
Star Wars Special Edition (2004 version)
Differences: further digital alterations added
Best source: official 2004 DVD
The best video source for the 2004 versions (and the DVD versions of the prequels) would now be Wookie Groomer's 1080p WMV files.

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Originally posted by: Moth3r
Originally posted by: SKot
Star Wars Special Edition (2004 version)
Differences: further digital alterations added
Best source: official 2004 DVD
The best video source for the 2004 versions (and the DVD versions of the prequels) would now be Wookie Groomer's 1080p WMV files.
Aha!

I will have to add that in there... though I think I'll leave the references to the official DVDs, since they are still preferred in some ways.

Actually, this opens up a whole new can of worms since now we're talking Hi-Def... so there may have to be a whole new category in the list.

--SKot

Projects:
Return Of The Ewok and Other Short Films (with OCPmovie) [COMPLETED]
Preserving the…cringe…Star Wars Holiday Special [COMPLETED]
The Star Wars TV Commercials Project [DORMANT]
Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation [ONGOING]
Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
Iznogoud (1995 animated series) English audio preservation [ONGOING]

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oops, wrong thread

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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can anyone confirm what aspect those WMVHD files are in?
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You know, the beta screens - despite the errors - looked like they were of good quality.
Anyone who has one up for a transfer?

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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I don't mean to be a pest, but could one of you guys be so kind as to point me to a download of the TB broadcast of the theatrical TPM? It can be a torrent, rapidshare link, eMule file, or whatever. I need it for a little editing project of mine. Or have all the downloads died by now? Thanks in advance for any information you may have!

EDIT: I know direct links are a taboo 'round these parts, so just give me a site name and I'll Google it.
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Originally posted by: eros
can anyone confirm what aspect those WMVHD files are in?


They're anamorphic 1920 x 820 with 5.1 sound. I've only got AOTC so far, but it's fantastic quality!

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Thanks! Any idea why they were squeezed to anamorphic? Was it for crt's or something?
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1920 x 820 is not anamorphic - it's native res for a 1080 line 16:9 display.

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Hey SKot, what about the 70mm and 35mm versions of Empire?
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Hey SKot, what about the 70mm and 35mm versions of Empire?
Good point. Since the Empire 70mm print does actually have differences in visual content, I should include that. Of course, we have no known source for it, but I think it warrants a mention. Something like this?

The Empire Strikes Back Special Edition (70mm version)
Differences: various minor scene differences
Best source: [none known]

What would be a good summary of the differences to the 70mm version?

--SKot

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There was a very exhaustive thread on it in the preservations forum.

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"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."

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can someone tell me thier opinions of the best versions of each episode in dvd-5 format (theatrical, SE, Fanedits, ETC ETC) i would greatly appreciate it if it could be narrowed down to the best of the best since there are so many too choose from


edit: i d/l all of the ADM fanedits of the new star wars so now i just would like to know the opinions of the 4-5-6 best versions available in dvd-5 format (cant wait for adywan to rls ep4 on dvd)
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Originally posted by: zombie84
There was a very exhaustive thread on it in the preservations forum.

Here is the list that I put together there.

The Empire Strikes Back
The 70mm version of the film was substantially different from the 35mm version that was more widely seen.

VIDEO:

• After the Probot lands and moves left, there is an optical wipe to the overhead shot of Luke on his Tauntaun.
• After Luke wanders through the snow and falls face down, there is an optical wipe to Han instead of a straight cut.
• The bacta tank scene starts on a close-up of Two-One-Bee and pans right to a close-up of Luke in the tank. It then cuts to FX-7 extending its arm to the tank. There is no cut to Leia, Han and Threepio observing. (Possible that this could be re-created with the full-screen version)
• In the snow battle scene, when Luke drops into the snow after throwing a charge into the Imperial walker, the AT-ST in the background has no atmospheric depth. It looks too close and small.
• The Emperor does not fade in at the start of his communiqué with Vader.*
• Millennium Falcon sensor dish is not visible with Luke on weather vane. The position of the vane is also different on the background.*
• The telepathy between Luke and Vader during the "Hyperspace" cue has straight cuts instead of quick dissolves.
• The frigate footage at the end looks decidedly different.*

AUDIO MIX DIFFERENCES:
NB, these are items that are present in the 35mm mix, but are greatly dialed down under sound effects or the score.

• On Hoth, right after C-3PO tells R2 to "Switch off," R2 gives out a little 'blurp.' More pronounced on the 70mm.
• When Luke finally collapses in the snow, he lets out a grunt as he lands on his face.
• The first time Rogue 2 says, "Commander Skywalker, do you copy?" is placed after he says "Captain Solo, do you copy?" instead of being placed before. The second "Commander Skywalker, do you copy?" is not on the Super 8 reel. It may have been edited that way for the Super 8, but I found it odd.*
• Rebel dialogue immediately following the line "The first transport is away!" is easier to hear. This includes “...let’s go, move, move!”
• When R2 is being loaded into Luke's X-Wing, C-3PO says the word "and" before saying "do take good care of yourself." The 2004 DVD really cranks up the quiet “and”.
• More rebels calls of 'retreat' when Walkers attack.*
• In the asteroid field, after C-3PO says "Oh, this is suicide." He says, "There's no where to go."*****
• Yoda says the word "Run!" before "Yes. A Jedi's strength flows from the force." The following lines "But beware the dark side. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side of the force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight" are also much louder and clearer.
• While C-3PO is on Chewie's back when they enter the carbon freezing chamber, the line "Now remember, Chewbacca, you have a responsibility to me, so don't do anything foolish" is louder and heard more clearly.
• More crowd noise as people flee Cloud City.*

ALTERNATE AUDIO:

• Luke: "Echo Three to Echo Seven. Han 'ole buddy, do you read me?" -Different take. *, **
• Luke - "I don't pick up any life readings" - Different take *, **
• Han - "I'm coming back" - Different take instead of the more widely heard “I’m going back” *, **
• Han says "until I can get the shelter up" instead of "until I can get the shelter built."
• Luke says an additional "Ben... Dagobah..." just before Han says "and I thought they smelled bad on the outside." In the 35mm, apparently, we only hear Luke mumble when we can see his mouth.
• Rogue 2: "Captain Solo, do you copy?" -Different take *
• When C-3PO tells Luke "It's so good to see you fully functional again," Luke replies "Thanks, Threepio."
• The line "Headquarters personnel report to Command Center" is repeated three times instead of two. *
• The line "The first transport is away!" is said in a different voice altogether. *
• Luke now says "This is it" just before his wingman (and soon, himself) is hit by AT-AT fire. His lips move, too, but I never noticed before.
• Han's line "Transport, this is Solo. Better take off, I can't get to you. I'll get her out on the Falcon" is followed by, "Come on!"
• Leia: "They're getting closer." -Different take *
• Han: "Oh, yeah? Watch this." -Different take *
• Luke says "You're lucky to get out of there" instead of "You're lucky you don't taste very good."
• Yoda makes a frightened "Ehhhhh!" sound just before Luke says "Like we're being watched" and points his blaster at him.
• The Imperial fleet establishing shot after the magic tree scene has a different TIE fighter sound effect.
• Obi-Wan’s lines are not as ‘echoed’.*
• Cloud City Patrol - "Any aggressive move will not be tolerated!"* This replaces “You will not deviate from your present course” ***, *****
Cloud City Patrol - "Permission granted to land on platform 3-2-7. Any deviation from..." - Han cuts of comlink.
• Lando tells Han, “Yeah, I'm responsible these days. It's the price of success.” The 8mm continues “And you know what, Han, you were right all along. It's over-rated.” as C-3PO talks with the other protocol droid.*
• In Cloud City, after C-3PO says "That sounds like an R2 unit in there. I wonder if it..." he says "Hello?" only once instead of twice.
• Before C-3PO gets shot, a different voice says "Who are you?"
• During the duel, when Luke knocks Vader off of the platform, Vader lets out an "ooooh!" instead of an "aaargh!"
• C-3P0 adds a very sarcastic “Oh my, so nice to be together again” before he says “I thought that hairy beast would be the end of me.” *
• Leia "I know where Luke is" ***, ***** is replaced by "we have to go back".*
• Leia says the line "Lando, hurry up, we've got company!"* as Lando is rescuing Luke from the weathervane. This line replaces Lando’s line of “OK, let’s go”. ***, ****, *****
• C-3P0 "Get away from there,” prefaces “You don't know how to fix the hyperdrive! Chewbacca can do it!”*
• Lando's line at the end, "Luke, we're ready for takeoff." is a different take.
In the final scene, there is no tracked music from "Yoda and the Force".


* 8mm
** The Story of TESB LP
*** TESB GOUT DVD
**** TESB:SE 1997 LD
***** TESB:SE 2004 DVD


It needs a bit of work, but it is a step in the right direction. And of course, the thread is here.
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Thanks, Sluggo.

New entry:

The Empire Strikes Back (70mm version)
Differences: various minor scene and editing differences
Best source: [none known]

I think that sums it up.

--SKot

Projects:
Return Of The Ewok and Other Short Films (with OCPmovie) [COMPLETED]
Preserving the…cringe…Star Wars Holiday Special [COMPLETED]
The Star Wars TV Commercials Project [DORMANT]
Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation [ONGOING]
Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
Iznogoud (1995 animated series) English audio preservation [ONGOING]

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Originally posted by: SKot
Thanks, Sluggo.

New entry:

The Empire Strikes Back (70mm version)
Differences: various minor scene and editing differences
Best source: [none known]

I think that sums it up.

--SKot


Well, I think we've discovered that the super8's come from there... but it's not a very good source.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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It might be better to say that it is not a complete source.