Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 92

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

I have a suggestion... first, welcome back, Ken.  Your presence here is actually a wonderful opportunity for us.  Let me try to explain...

Many of us are perplexed at how so many people could think that what GL is doing is ok, and why they would think we are so stupid in demanding that the originals be restored.  Ken is one of the people giving the blu-ray a 5* review, waxing on about it without having seen it, parroting the lines we hear over and over, and appears from our vantage point to be one of George's utterly vacuous minion conduits for his revisionism.  HOWEVER, what sets Ken apart is that he is willing to come here and discuss it with us without calling us idiots.  If you think about it, that is rather remarkable. This is an unique opportunity to try - and we all know it won't be easy - to pick his neurons and maybe just maybe learn the source of what to us is an incomprehensible but frighteningly widespread hypnotic trance.

Ken may be the only "regular" on this board who actually seems willing to stick around and try to convey a firsthand view from the "other side", without calling us names.  He may not always be eloquent, but he is often more polite than we are.

I am reminded of those sci-fi movies, where the humans capture a space alien and try to keep it alive so they can communicate with it to learn their motivation.  This is one of those chances!  Let's not squander it... instead of needling Ken into leaving again, instead of laughing at his grammar, and most of all instead of trying to convince him that we're right, let's try and avail ourselves of this chance to do meaningful research into the minds of GL's contemporary fanbase.

Ken, if you're willing (and I hope you are), I'll start...

Ken, would it bother you at all if George Lucas never releases the original versions of the OT again?  Start with a simple Yes or No, then you can add explanation if you want.

No Puggo because desbite all of the changes made to the films through the years it's still star wars yes it may not be the way we all remember it but it's star wars. And anything to do with star wars is ok by me. GL is the one who created this saga and without him there whould not be more star wars films, books , comics , eu stuff etc today without him.  I like this whole SE VS OT debate it's fun star wars talk.

It's not really a matter of Vs in this thread, it's a matter of preservation of the originals over erasing all others bar the latest SE.

That's the key.

Debating which version is your favorite is like debating which of the episodes is your favorite and subjective but if the previous versions only exist on fading film stock and rotting low resolution video that separate debate (fun as it is) can not happen.

Bingowings said:

It's not really a matter of Vs in this thread, it's a matter of preservation of the originals over erasing all others bar the latest SE.

That's the key.

Debating which version is your favorite is like debating which of the episodes is your favorite and subjective but if the previous versions only exist on fading film stock and rotting low resolution video that separate debate (fun as it is) can not happen.

I agree Preserving the original cuts of the OT as it was originally released is a must. 

Harmy said:

But it wouldn't bother you if it didn't happen?

No it whould'nt.

I don't think he is that hard to understand guys. He's not an alien species that needs to be disected. He's the way a lot of fans are--the sort of middle ground people. Ken, like many people, knows it's important for the originals to be released, and would gladly own them. However, to them the SE is the same basic movie, which I would wholeheartedly agree with, and a version of the film that is more than acceptable. It's fun and enjoyable to watch. While they do regret the absence of the OOT, it's not a dealbreaker. They respect George Lucas and approve of his efforts, and respect that he is doing things the way he wants, although they may not necessarily like all the enhancements (for that matter, many people here would change some of the original effects and edits as well--see Adywan, Legacy edition, etc.).

So, they basically just like Star Wars as it is. Not hard to figure out. That's why, even though they may want the OOT, they aren't going to bash the hell out of GL for withholding it.

I whould like to have the original cuts on blu-ray and on the other hand if the original cuts of the ot are not on blu-ray it whould not bother me at all.

zombie84 said:

I don't think he is that hard to understand guys. He's not an alien species that needs to be disected. He's the way a lot of fans are--the sort of middle ground people. Ken, like many people, knows it's important for the originals to be released, and would gladly own them. However, to them the SE is the same basic movie, which I would wholeheartedly agree with, and a version of the film that is more than acceptable. It's fun and enjoyable to watch. While they do regret the absence of the OOT, it's not a dealbreaker. They respect George Lucas and approve of his efforts, and respect that he is doing things the way he wants, although they may not necessarily like all the enhancements (for that matter, many people here would change some of the original effects and edits as well--see Adywan, Legacy edition, etc.).

So, they basically just like Star Wars as it is. Not hard to figure out. That's why, even though they may want the OOT, they aren't going to bash the hell out of GL for withholding it.

Agreed Zombie84.

That's your feeling Ken and you're hardly alone. Just try to recognize that makes you part of the problem. Preservation either happens or it doesn't based on public indifference.

Understood

Yes I do because star wars was groundbreaking the way it was originally release.

In a way I suppose we are the last true fans (short for fanatics) because we will not stop until we get the original text which is now seen largely as an apocryphal curio by an increasingly relaxed congregation of casual devotees.

I agree with everyone that yes their should be a digital yoda in TPN.

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via: http://boards.theforce.net/star_wars_saga/b10456/30885339/p39

Ten Parisian Nuns is COMING SOON to Blu-ray featuring PETER MAYHEW???!!!

 that puppet yoda in episode 1 TPM was not so great hopefully a digital yoda will be added for TPM and hope the film gets a new blu-ray transfer as well.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

I have a suggestion... first, welcome back, Ken.  Your presence here is actually a wonderful opportunity for us.  Let me try to explain...

I admire your intentions Puggo, but I think it's a wasted effort.

That's my thoughts exactly, SilverWook. I'll never forget when the TPM teaser came out and it was all over the news and they were interviewing people who were watching it at a public video village tent type thing on the sidewalk somewhere and this one kid was like "They showed Yoda, and he looked young!" Even back then, as a 13 year old, I realized how idiotic that statement was, because how much is 32 years supposed to make when you're pushing 900?

If this first blu-ray release (which I won't be buying, no matter what) only includes the SE version of the OT, then I have no problem with that horrendously botched puppet in TPM being replaced with the digital model that, ironically, looks much closer to how the puppet in Empire and Jedi looked.

A puppet wouldn't be any more difficult to composite in. Either way, you'd have to rotoscope out the old puppet to create a clean plate and then comp in a new element which matches the camera angles and lighting. With CGI you have more freedom to change it after the fact, but with technology these days you have almost the same freedom with live action, as you can see the composites real-time as you are filming to make sure it matches.