Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 319

Darth Editous said:

 

Star Trek VI is a 1080i-to-1080p conversion for crying out loud!

There's really only a semantic difference between the two when you're talking about film transfers - it's not like 1080i has half the resolution of 1080p in this case.

Since they only released 2, 4, 6 and 8 individually and never got around to the other six movies

Whatchoo talkin' bout? I can see 1, 3, 5, 7 all on Amazon.

DE

 

Maybe in your neck of the woods, but here in the States you can only get 2, 4, 6 and 8 individually on blu-ray. The only other options are in a I-VI boxset, a II-IV "trilogy set" and a four-film set of the TNG movies.

Wexter said:

generalfrevious said:

I'm going to repost this, because people apparently read only the first and last sentences of my comments:

Here's what at stake: we have a man who has the power to order the federal government not to preserve their own copies of his films. Anyone who questions his destruction of the OOT is told to get a life, even though no other filmmaker tampers his movies like GL has and withhold the originals (the reason he is where is right now) from the public. He has groomed his children to ensure the disintegration of the original films for many years after his own death. He continues to show poor taste in creative decisions in whatever movie he is currently releasing or rereleasing, even tarnishing the careers of more talented persons (Crystal skull the prime example). Don't get pissed off when he updates the OT yet again for home video in 2018, 2025, 2032, 2039, etc.

To imagine I almost didn't read your post for the first time... and even now, I find so much more subtext and meaning in there.... Thank you for reposting.

 

 

 

 

;-) meet Mr Winkerton

At least I know people read my posts now. I won't do it again. 

But seriously, does anyone feel concerned that GL has the power now to tell the federal government (LOC) to suppress the originals and preserve only the SE? We didn't know that when the Blu-rays were out. What if he decides to tell the BFI they can't preserve the originals either? What If GL even lobbies congress to make a law forcing private collectors to fork up their own prints of the originals? It may be crazy, but that could be reality five years from now. LFL is a corporation, and hence has a lot of money to create laws that work for their advantage.

does anyone feel concerned that GL has the power now to tell the federal government (LOC) to suppress the originals and preserve only the SE?

He doesn't.  Your reading comprehension is subjective to your misplaced anger.

The LOC has multiple copies of all the Star Wars films and all their variations.  The National Film Registry is a separate body and it's that copy which is subjected to the debate of if it is or is not a SE copy and did the NFR accept or not accept it, but more importantly the sequence of when these events occurred.  (the NFR is a subpart the LOC)

What If GL even lobbies congress to make a law forcing private collectors to fork up their own prints of the originals?

and now to feed your insanity, he's already got that POWAAHHH.  Illegal prints are illegal prints.  Your law idea will come about when the technology to scan film prints comes down in price.

What would Yoda do?

Are you trying to imply that generalfrevious is Yoda on dagobah speaking irrationalities to the bogwings and lizards of that planet awaiting the first other to come save this stupid movie...

Plus, GL has erased Marcia from all historical references to SW, and she's the reason why the movie became such a cultural phenomenon! 

I appreciate that you guys are doing good work on fan preservations, and if you have any Blu-ray versions I like, I might get them. But unless you like doing them (which I guess you do), the principle is that LFL should be doing this job, and not half-assedly either. No one else in cinema is forcing their fanbase to do their won work to ensure the original work does not suffer the same fate as a Fatty Arbuckle silent film.

principle is that LFL should be doing this job

again wrong.  Culture (after copyright) belongs to the public.  If the public is not given the resources and knowledge to preserve the works, then those works are doomed to oblivion.  The public will outlast any corporation or government.

Expecting creators to preserve their own work is wasting their time.

none said:

this stupid movie

I will agree that there are few other major releases out there that have been so badly tampered with that the fans feel the need to do their own work to correct it. There are many fantastic blu-rays out there, and many mediocre ones as well, and some are even terrible (Total Recall, the first release of Fifth Element, etc.) but none have been so badly damaged that fans can't actually enjoy watching the film unless they learn film-editing themselves and fix the damage.

I think that's generalfrevious's point - Lucasfilm is a mega-corporation - they are expected to put out a quality product. Instead, their blu-ray set is mediocre at best, with picture quality issues galore, not even discussing the latest and greatest special edition changes that we were subjected to.

Fan editing is one thing - many do it for fun to create alternate versions. But many of us feel the special editions are truly unwatchable - that's a problem considering it just got a major blu-ray release.

And, the purpose of this site is to petition GL to create a proper restoration for the originals, not force others to make their own due to his personal hubris.

generalfrevious wrote: And, the purpose of this site is to petition GL to create a proper restoration for the originals, not force others to make their own due to his personal hubris.

The purpose of this site has changed.  The last petition written in 2009 was ignored in the 2011 release.  Instead of writing another, the forums now cultivate a culture of doers/makers/redoers. If you want the petitions to be the purpose of this site, then spend the time rewriting it to fit a new goal.

No one's forced to do anything.  Not Lucas to preserve this stupid film or the public to preserve the stupid film.  They choose to do it.

GL has proven not once but several times that he and all the companies he funds is not up to the task of preserving this stupid film.  Why you want to go back to him for the twenty something time expecting a different results is well....

none said:

generalfrevious wrote: And, the purpose of this site is to petition GL to create a proper restoration for the originals, not force others to make their own due to his personal hubris.

The purpose of this site has changed.  The last petition written in 2009 was ignored in the 2011 release.  Instead of writing another, the forums now cultivate a culture of doers/makers/redoers. If you want the petitions to be the purpose of this site, then spend the time rewriting it to fit a new goal.

No one's forced to do anything.  Not Lucas to preserve this stupid film or the public to preserve the stupid film.  They choose to do it.

GL has proven not once but several times that he and all the companies he funds is not up to the task of preserving this stupid film.  Why you want to go back to him for the twenty something time expecting a different results is well....

You sure have a positive outlook...

I mean, everyone else in the world except for LFL puts the original versions of their films on DVD/Blu-ray. Does it make sense that we want GL to do the same as everyone else? If not, we should change the name of this website if we have abandoned the goal of LFL recanting their corporate stubbornness and getting what should have happened to SW years ago. A film so ingrained into our culture deserves better than freelance preservations due to one man's megalomania. The axe is over our heads of GL decides create a law to stamp out these preservations like the Holiday Special. And besides, even though these films should be owned by the public, the sad reality i that LFL has an iron grip over the OT; they can tell you which version to watch and make changes to the films with absolutely little warning days before relaese. They have purged all previously existing video copies right before this new BD was released. And apparently people bought into it again, because they have an addiction to these movies, and LFL has devolved into the role as a cheapskate drug dealer. So we must fight against them until they release the originals to acceptable standards.

So we must fight against them until they release the originals to acceptable standards.

Why fight them when you can do it yourself. 

Why do you want the preservation of this movie to come from George Lucas?

A film so ingrained into our culture deserves better than freelance preservations

Why do you think freelance workers can't do justice to any quality movie?  Most preservations come from people who didn't originally work on the film.

they can tell you which version to watch and make changes to the films with absolutely little warning days before relaese.

Lucasfilm can't tell you wich version to watch.  and just like LFL, anyone can take these stupid films and modify them just as quickly.  You are surrounded by people doing just that in these forums.

They have purged all previously existing video copies right before this new BD was released.

No they didn't.  Some store chains pulled old inventory.  But there are still copies being sold at other stores and services.

You want the 2004 DVDs: http://www.amazon.com/Trilogy-Empire-Strikes-Return-Widescreen/dp/B00003CXCT/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1321727723&sr=8-10

You want the 2008 DVDs: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Widescreen-Theatrical/dp/B001EN71DG/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1321727723&sr=8-13

You want the 1997 VHSs: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Special-VHS/dp/6304539282/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1321727806&sr=8-4

You want a old VHSs: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Mark-Hamill/dp/6301792734/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1321727835&sr=8-2

You want a CED: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-CED-Video-Disc/dp/B005FTTMPU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1321727861&sr=8-3

You want a 8mm: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Super-8mm-Film/dp/B0065NGYYM/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1321727899&sr=8-14

again:

So we must fight against them until they release the originals to acceptable standards.

"Fight Them Until They."  Why do you want THEM involved anymore.

Thanks, Harmy. All I ask is that LFL releases the originals on Blu-ray like any other other home entertainment company, not to resort to bootlegs just to see Han shoot first.

Harmy wrote: Lucasfilm doesn't necessarily have to do the restoration themselves but in order for the film to be preserved and released legally, they'd have to officially give the job to someone and we should absolutely keep fighting for that.

That's Route A. 'The Official Route'  Route B. 'The public Route' is what I was describing before.  (Route B. can also be a subset of Route A. if release is only carried thru after the expiration of copyright [see SWLegacy])  Both are valid and can be done and supported at the same time.  We'll have to wait and see which one prevails.  But you can't really fight for Route A, you can only ask for it to be done.

Some of what you said doesn't even make sense, because if the public has to break the law to preserve and restore the film, that is definitely not fine at all.

If breaking a law is necessary to showcase how the law is no longer unacceptable.  Then we'll deal with the ramifications after I choose to break said law.  My 'sense' might not be 'fine' for you.

You are not fighting for Civil Rights, none; this is just getting LFL to release the originals again. What you don't realize is that corporations run our society now, more so than a mere decade ago- they can control our life and death if they wanted to. Our goal should be to appeal to LFL to do what all other companies are doing: release their movies on video. That is not asking them to do anything extra. We just don't want direct-to-video remakes being passed off as the movies themselves.

This is starting to sound overly paranoid and political...almost like a Huffington Post article.  "Corporations hold our very lives in the palms of our hands!  CEOs wield more power than Barack Obama!"

You never know... humanity has always been under the thumb of some sort of ruler. But, staying on topic, LFL just needs to do what everyone else is doing. You don't see fans of citizen kane resorting to bootlegs/preservations to see the original version because Welles decided to put a CGI penguin or digitally change actors without warning. Even under corporate logic GL is not acting rationally.

Wow, imagine what he thinks about important things, like politics.....

;-)

Anyway, back on topic.

When do you guys think the next chance for the OOT to be released? Do you think it could happen if there was an individual release of the films?