Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 312

The blu-ray release is only a part of his master plan to destroy all that is good.

Lucas has thousand of copies of the original 35mm prints at his house. He watches them every night and thinks about how awesome they are and how he is the only one that will ever get to see them again. He'll demand to be buried with all of them and at that time recall even the SE's and forbid it to be sold on any format for the rest of time.

Then, in true machiavellian form, he will return years later and claim that the movies had never even been made.  He will then proclaim that he is making them for the first time as he originally intended.  He will claim that it will be 9 movies but he will only make 6.  The first 3 will be the adventures of the gungan warrior jar-jar and the last 3 will be totally incoherent at best and people will wander from theatres moaning in agony after viewing them.

The "true fans" will rejoice and proclaim them masterpieces and go around telling everybody how they bought the 400 dollar boxset. When anyone questions them about the myth of the original trilogy from the late 20th century they will deny that they existed and claim that the new ones are all that matter because they are 100% cgi and capable of capturing the attention of 2 and possibly even 3 years olds.

I am not a time traveller but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

EDIT: This is to only be read in the voice of the cybernetic ghost of christmas past from the future. You are welcome.

kenkraly2007 said:

I wish some of you would stop calling star wars fans who go to websites like TFN or relbelsum.com Lucas apologists their good sources for star wars news of all of kinds.

FYI, the Rebelscum forums don't seem to be filled with apologists. About a month ago I checked their thread on the Blu-rays, and a lot of people were complaining about the lack of OT theatrical versions.

Wexter said:

About LFL - either they are indeed a bad company consisting of bunch of amateurs or they are fucking liars (lairs, for mentally challenged). These are the only two possible explenations of their (mostly Lucas') claim that the cleaned up original footage has been altered without backing up the original form. Who does that? Someone, who has no clue what they are doing.

I get the impression some people at LFL are not happy with the treatment the OT gets. I can't remember the details, but at one of the recent press events for the Blu-rays, 2 LFL spokesmen implied they preferred the original versions. Remember: most people at LFL probably grew up on the original theatrical versions.

Lucas seems to be a "my way or the highway kind of guy", and the LFL employees know that. And they are just so excited to be working for Lucas, that they dare not endanger that opportunity.

althor1138 said:

The blu-ray release is only a part of his master plan to destroy all that is good.

Lucas......will return years later and claim that the movies had never even been made.  He will then...make...6...movies,  The first 3 will be the adventures of the gungan warrior jar-jar and the last 3 will be totally incoherent at best and people will wander from theatres moaning in agony after viewing them.

The "true fans" will rejoice and proclaim them masterpieces and deny that the......20th century saga existed....

I am not a time traveller but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

You should lay off the bratwurst before bed then ;)

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Ken, you actually seem like a kind and gentle person, so let me try, just this once, to explain something...

There are many things in this world that I recognize as being wrong that I am not passionate enough about to protest. 

...

If someone came up to me when I was eating a chicken nugget and said "hey, don't you realize you're eating a tortured chicken?", I'd have to say something like "yeah, I know, it's probably wrong, I'm sorry but I don't want to deal with that right now."

...

So much good in this post and I have a fondness for analogies. Also, I had Chicken McNuggets today. The Monopoly contest always draws me in. I share your views on animal treatment vs tasty meat.

I also appreciate that Star Wars preservation ranks above chicken torture in your list of concerns ;)

kenkraly2007 said:

So just  because we support anything GL does where called  Lucas apologists?

I must join the chorus here...YES, that is precisely what makes one an apologist!

The word "apologist" is not inherently negative. It refers to defending a position against all criticism. It usually refers to those who defend religion. It takes on a negative connotation because apologists are immune to any other reasoning or debate. Their role is simply to defend.

And as you admit here, you support anything GL does. That's simply dogmatic and blind to reason. We're not people who dislike Star Wars. We're just honest people who aren't afraid of critiquing poor decisions.

We have no reason to defend or support anything GL does. Only those who wish to maintain an income at LFL do.

kenkraly2007 said:

...the changes don't take away my enjoyment of the films.

Kenkraly it would really do you some good to respond to Puggo's post rather than the people agreeing with him in short, less articulate posts.  Also, Puggo actually gave you some CREDIT whereas all the posts you respond to just detract you.  I honestly cannot believe you are a grown person...

EDIT: Oops, I seem to be a bit late to the party. This was in response to Ken's post 7780:

Why are you telling us this? The changes do take away my enjoyment of the films. Big time! Why should I care about your enjoyment of the films any more then you care about mine?

And there was an easy way to please everyone who likes STAR WARS. Because all those people who liked STAR WARS before 1997 liked the original versions, an easy way to please all of the would have been not to make any changes. What is so hard to understand about that?

I said it before, I'll say it again. This cat is:

a) a superb troll

b) an irrational child

c) a mentally deficient person

I think it's a combination of (a) and (c).

It's not worth the energy to argue over and over, despite the entertainment factor.

I will never understand how someone can see Lucas as some benevolent creator whom we should adore for being gracious enough to give us scraps from his table. The man has shit all over movies that HUNDREDS of people helped create and claimed the solely as his own. Just look at the quote in my signature. He has no respect for the people who made him rich. Sadly, most of those people continue to buy whatever garbage he puts out.

And on top of all that, Lucas is a delusional fool who thinks people don't like the prequels or his SE changes because that's some part of being a tortured, misunderstood artist. No, people don't like those things because they are terrible. As Phil Tippett said, it's "CGI shit."

You might find this interesting. No idea if new or old news for you :)

Mike Seymour, Matt Leonard and Marc Wielage delve deep into the Blu-ray release of Star Wars...

They mention our own mike and secret story of star wars :)

-Angel

kenkraly2007 said:

Harmy said:

Because all those people who liked STAR WARS before 1997 liked the original versions, an easy way to please all of the would have been not to make any changes. What is so hard to understand about that?

Star Wars is still going strong today with the clone wars cartoon series and the blu-ray release and the 3-D release coming soon. Their are people who still like star wars. 

I don't see what that's got to do with anything, all these people who like the Clone Wars cartoon would probably still like STAR WARS even if the original trilogy was only cleaned up and rereleased that way in 97.

kenkraly2007 said:

Mrebo said:

And as you admit here, you support anything GL does. That's simply dogmatic and blind to reason. We're not people who dislike Star Wars. We're just honest people who aren't afraid of critiquing poor decisions.

We have no reason to defend or support anything GL does. Only those who wish to maintain an income at LFL do.

Why do some of you wine and complain every time GL makes a change to the films? He has a right to change his films sure some of them are not good you can't please everyone. Sure not everyone is not going to like the changes but it the changes don't take away my enjoyment of the films.

You must understand the context. George Lucas refuses to rerelease quality versions the actual movies released to the public in 1977, 1980, and 1983. And then tells us whatever changes he makes constitute the real and only versions (at least twice now) and that we all need to accept it. So it's not just complaining about changes we happen not to like. It's the revision of cinematic history and arrogance toward those who loved what he gave us in 1977, 1980, and 1983.

If he were to release the originals, our complaints about the silly, unnecessary, and poorly done changes will fall way into the background. Many of us like some of the changes he made. I like the Wampa in ESB. But the debate is not primarily about liking or not liking the changes. That's merely a symptom of the real problem: not releasing the actual movies he made.

Why we do we complain when he makes yet another change? Because he's poking his finger in our eyes, twisting a film further and further from what it was. And if we truly do hate the change (ie "Noooo!") to a beloved movie...all we get from GL is 'too bad.' Would be a totally different story if GL said, "okay then go watch the high quality theatrical release also included on the blue discs I made with lasers."

Please don't tell me this change is better (please watch it, fun to see the clips back to back). It's truly absurd.

I don't care that GL has a right to change his films. He has a right to burn the negatives of all 6 films and never release them again. I'm not contesting that. GL can do a lot of things.

We are beseeching him to release the movies he made in 1977, 1980, and 1983. We're collectively willing to pay him millions of dollars for it. While his various edits of those movies are interesting and even enjoyable to some, don't pretend that they are the movies he originally made and released to the public.

If I were to go under my mother's bed and take out that drawing I made for her when I was 5, telling her I'm sorry she enjoyed an incomplete piece of work and proceeded to alter it and that it was now the proper version I had always intended it to be, I hope she would look at me like I'm nuts. You might look at it and think it's now quite brilliant (thank you) but its originally charm and appreciation will be undermined.

Similarly Star Wars has an original charm that is hurt with each revision.

You can like it all you want, but it is not the movie that GL made and released to the public.

bkev said:

Kenkraly it would really do you some good to respond to Puggo's post rather than the people agreeing with him in short, less articulate posts.  Also, Puggo actually gave you some CREDIT whereas all the posts you respond to just detract you.  I honestly cannot believe you are a grown person...

I find myself quite articulate! :P

But I agree...too often the most cogent post is ignored. Answer the man, ken!

georgec said:

And on top of all that, Lucas is a delusional fool who thinks people don't like the prequels or his SE changes because that's some part of being a tortured, misunderstood artist. No, people don't like those things because they are terrible. As Phil Tippett said, it's "CGI shit."

nah...lucas knows the movies are garbage and cash-ins.  and he knows that people don't like them because they are garbage and cash-ins.  its the apologists that parrot the talkingpoint of lucas being a misunderstood artist that are delusional.

When Lucas said "special fx are just tools for telling a story, a special fx without a story is a pretty boring thing" he didn't mean that - he was just telling us what we wanted to hear.  just like when he says hollywood suits only care about money and marketing and not storytelling.  he knows he represents the most absolute extreme example of vapid cynical brand explotation.  but he needs the support of apologists.

walking_carpet said:

georgec said:

And on top of all that, Lucas is a delusional fool who thinks people don't like the prequels or his SE changes because that's some part of being a tortured, misunderstood artist. No, people don't like those things because they are terrible. As Phil Tippett said, it's "CGI shit."

nah...lucas knows the movies are garbage and cash-ins.  and he knows that people don't like them because they are garbage and cash-ins.  its the apologists that parrot the talkingpoint of lucas being a misunderstood artist that are delusional.

When Lucas said "special fx are just tools for telling a story, a special fx without a story is a pretty boring thing" he didn't mean that - he was just telling us what we wanted to hear.  just like when he says hollywood suits only care about money and marketing and not storytelling.  he knows he represents the most absolute extreme example of vapid cynical brand explotation.  but he needs the support of apologists.

I agree 100%. You mention that quote and I think it's from "From SW to Jedi." People love that documentary and it has some merit in showing behind the scenes action, but Lucas sounds and acts like the same guy he is today. That was made after his turn to the green side, and again you see how bored he is talking about moviemaking. It's just a tool for him to put some CGI shit on a screen and sell toys and other merchandise to people who can't get enough SW.

Still, the man has demonstrated deep conviction to his "everyone hates me and my movies" mantra, even if it is inauthentic.