skyjedi2005 said:
If by fixed he means further changes then he is correct. Wood spoke to those TFN prequel gushers on their podcast about the changes.
That's what I mean when I highlight the difference between "remixed" and "fixed." We know it will be changed, we just don't know if the problems will be fixed. Since the problems were originally defended as "creative decisions," I don't see how anyone can assume they will be fixed.
Did someone say the problem was in the source material, like the raw material used to create the new mix. Even if some of the sources were degraded that does not explain the poor mixing overall.
And why is a sound designer mixing the film?
The original star wars and special editions were not elusively mixed by Burtt. The only case i can think of where he did his own mix was in 1985 and that was based on what was produced in collaboration with a bunch of other people. Oh and he supposedly mixed star wars in 1993 too but that was not a horrible mess.
It also does not explain how in 1997 they ended up using sources of higher fidelity closer to the original recorded material with fewer generations in the source. Why would it just suddenly sound bad in 2004?
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kenkraly2007 said:
For those that want to say that the films of star wars will not be re-mixed for and fixed blu-ray are wrong their have been articles all over the net saying that the the audio will be fixed and re-mixed for the blu-ray release. It won't be the same bad audio tracks that was on the dvd releases of episodes 4, 5, and 6.
No articles say they will be "fixed" and there will never be any official word from any LFL employees that there was anything wrong with the ANH 2004 audio. Why? because if they ever admitted that the audio on that disc was screwed up and not a "creative decision" they would be in deep shit as it would spur a flood of demands for replacement discs that would also lead to legal actions and could cost LFL millions.
We're getting further changes to the audio mix with Obi-Wan's howl so god knows what else is going to be changed.You can't blame anyone for being very wary about both the audio and video side of things with the blu-rays, especially with Lucasfilms inferior quality control track record in the past few years
skyjedi2005 said:
Will anybody be buying the blu ray to use as a base to restore the oot, since Lucas a billionaire cannot release it.
yes, i will be. I'm only going to buy the set for my edits. If i wasn't working on the edits then i wouldn't buy them. I'm developing ways to not have to use a full frame from the GOUT to make a EPIV reconstruction in the highest quality i can. Will it be possible? I won't know until i see whats actually on these sets but i'm hopeful that i can pull it off
I believe Harmy is also thinking about using them for a new version of his Partially Specialized Editions. There may be benefits to this release even assuming no OOT.
Well their quality control on the blu rays for the clone wars movie, clone wars season 1 and indiana jones IV got no complaints.
Maybe they will change the bad rep they got on DVD when back in the day they had a good reputation during the THX laserdisc program.
But i am not holding my breath.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
I think the blu-ray release of the star wars films will be different as far as quality control goes the last few blu-ray releases from LFL have been great like Indy 4 and the clone wars movie as well as season 1 and 2 of the clone wars.
Funny enough i will also buy clone wars season 2 on DVD. Even though Lucas used it as a way to destroy all the stuff created in the EU. Basically the clone wars is George Lucas canon and the EU is a separate universe, even if some of it is preferred like tim zahn's trilogy was better than the prequels.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Aside from adding C-3PO's extra line about the tractor beam, the 1985 mix is not really a remix so much as a remastering. It is basically identical to the 35mm stereo except with slightly clearer sound quality and a wider stereo image, probably achieved through digital processing.
The 1997 mix, while obviously far better than the 2004 version, does have its share of issues. High frequency noise is a problem--just listen to any of C-3PO's dialogue and you'll hear it. Whoa! This is present of previous mixes but nowhere near as strongly as that. The dynamic range is usually pretty good, but often not even close to the 70mm version, especially in the beginning of the film. The general EQ also gives it a somewhat tinny sound throughout.
Given that, it is understandable why they wanted to remix again for the dvd. Unfortunately, they screwed that up so badly that it would have been far better had they just not done anything to it at all. It is very telling that one of the 2004 version's biggest problems is that the EQ makes it blast out bass above all else (I'm not talking about the LFE channel) and kills the highs, taking the issue of the '97 version in exactly the opposite direction, but to a much greater extreme. The sound became so muffled and distorted it's barely recognisable.
Since it's the same guy doing the Bluray, and they never admitted to any problems, I doubt they'll do it from scratch again. It will be a further modification of the existing mix, rubbish with even more garbage piled on top of it. If they actually did fix anything at all I'd be extremely surprised.
I'm no sound expert, is there a consensus on which mix is the overall best? In other words, if they restored the movie and HAD to use an existing mix (the 85, the 93 or even the 97 or the 04 cut to fit the original version, similar to the theatrical version of Superman) which would it be?
Well, to me the original 70mm is the best by far. Its dynamic range, sound quality, and general balance are unequalled by any other version, and it has none of the distracting additions of later remixes. Its obvious merits are such that it would be plain irresponsible not to use it for any OT restoration.
Mastering legend Steve Hoffman agrees . . .
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-141011.html
So when they do sound for the blu-ray release if at all which mix will they go by? I know the answer will be 2004 but if not which mix?
Well, they should include the major versions to please everyone-but they won't. For a simple fix they should just stick to the 97 mix but use the DTS version and have it uncompressed. But they won't.
For a really badass huge mix they could use the 70mm mix as a base and then add in their precious SE elements for the new scenes and finally release it as a new 7.1 uncompressed mix. but they won't do that either.
So we'll just wait for this flawed new release....and once again show them how it should have been done.
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Only time will tell what kind of audio will be on the blu-ray release. I hope the audio is fixed but we shall see if that actually happens or not.
I seriously hope this will be a 12 disc set, with every 1st disc containing the original theatrical version of the movie + a "director's cut", and the 2nd disc will include tons of bonus materials, including all deleted scenes. Otherwise I'll ignore it like the last x DVD rererereleases
pittrek said:
I seriously hope this will be a 12 disc set, with every 1st disc containing the original theatrical version of the movie + a "director's cut", and the 2nd disc will include tons of bonus materials, including all deleted scenes. Otherwise I'll ignore it like the last x DVD rererereleases
As long as Lucas is alive that will never happen. Sad but probably true. I gave up hope with the insult that was the 2006 DVD "bonus extras".
Now LFL are messing with the great soundtrack mix like they did with the movies.
Yeah, that would be nice. Sadly, it's already been confirmed that the theatrical cuts will not be included on this release. Go figure.
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The films audio soundtrack will get fixed for the blu-ray release let's just keep are fingers crossed that it does for episodes 4-6.
kenkraly2007 said:
The films audio soundtrack will get fixed changed for the blu-ray release...
And the beat goes on...
kenkraly2007 wrote:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-coming-to-Blu-Ray/post/439042/#TopicPost439042
I think this time around the sound mix for A New Hope will be fixed
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-coming-to-Blu-Ray/post/439647/#TopicPost439647
Behaps the audio on the blu-rays of star wars of episodes 4 ,5 and 6 will be fixed on the blu-rays.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-coming-to-Blu-Ray/post/439651/#TopicPost439651
The audio for the films won't be messed up for the blu-ray release.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-coming-to-Blu-Ray/post/439656/#TopicPost439656
I don't think the blu-ray release will have messed up audio but again that's one man's opionion we will have to wait and see I guess.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-coming-to-Blu-Ray/post/440378/#TopicPost440378
It won't be the same bad audio tracks that was on the dvd releases of episodes 4, 5, and 6.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-coming-to-Blu-Ray/post/440686/#TopicPost440686
The films audio soundtrack will get fixed for the blu-ray release let's just keep are fingers crossed that it does for episodes 4-6.
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Don't misspell my name ken'karly2006.
@none: I was going to do that as well but I got lazy.
All I am saying is that everyone is worried / conserned about the fact that the audio track for episodes 4-6 for the upcoming blu-ray release won't be fixed. But what if they are then what?
Then we'll be pleased. Now stop saying it.
Ok sorry
kenkraly2007 said:
All I am saying is that everyone is worried / conserned about the fact that the audio track for episodes 4-6 for the upcoming blu-ray release won't be fixed. But what if they are then what?
Then we'll only have the suppression of the original versions to bitch about.
Wow, you're right!
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?