Sevb32 said:
Yeah this thread should be all negative, I hate this and I hate that. I want this person beaten and that one dead because my opinon is fact and rules over all. Nevermind many of us would never reach anywhere close to the levels of Burtt or Wood.
So do you have something positive to say about the OOT never being restored?
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The funny thing about restoring OT is that Lucas even doesn't have to transfer digital all three films, but only those scenes, which where changed in SE. So restoring, about what, 15% of all three films cost so much money? Funny. Some people from here would do it for free, only if he would give them all tools and prints.
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Sevb32 said:
Yeah this thread should be all negative, I hate this and I hate that. I want this person beaten and that one dead because my opinon is fact and rules over all. Nevermind many of us would never reach anywhere close to the levels of Burtt or Wood.
This is so fallacious. You're right, if I had been put in charge of the 2004 sound mixes, I probably would've screwed them up even worse than Wood and Burtt did. Do you know why? Because I'm not a professional sound tech.
The fact that you and I aren't technically capable of producing a high quality professional sound mix doesn't excuse shoddy work on the part of professionals who are paid to do precisely that. Nor does it mean that I as a nonprofessional shouldn't be allowed to criticize poor craftsmanship or sub-par work just because "you couldn't do any better." I'm no sculptor by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm still well within my rights to complain about that hideous statue in front of the local DMV.
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Actually, I think at least a handful of us here could produce a better sound mix, and I'm not even being facetious. Certainly most of us could have produced a better color grading. Most could have probably also produced better supplementary material. The 2004 release was just lacking in all departments, except maybe the menus which were pretty kickass.
Applause again! I agree with zombie. Fandom has made some awesome things.
I can use Avisynth to make an anamorphic movie from the letterboxed GOUT, so I have one up on ILM. Take that, ILM!
Yeah, I always said that the menus were the only good thing about the realese :-)
Don't forget Empire of Dreams!
--edit--
Which reminds me, are there any non-SE shots from ROTJ in Empire of Dreams that you can use in your reconstruction, Harmy?
Not that I know of...
IT should be restored, but I have not qualms with the SE's aside from a few things. It shouldn't be an either or, or OT against SE, it can be BOTH. Both can co exist. People have a choice.
That's the problem, though. People DON'T have a choice. I would have no issue whatsoever if the OOT was released alongside the SE in the best quality possible.
Let's use E.T. as an example:
I have no problem with the E.T. special edition, because the DVD contained both versions in comparable quality.
But if it were announced tomorrow that E.T. was being released on Blu-Ray, but the theatrical version would not be included, I would be angry and would refuse to buy the Blu-Ray and tell others to do the same.
For another example, Blade Runner. I prefer the Final Cut to the theatrical cuts and "director's cut," but if that were the only version available I'd be very upset. Inferior though they may be, the theatrical cuts are a part of film history and should be preserved.
But it's fine because every version - including the freakin' workprint, which nobody was asking for - is included in stellar quality on the Blu-Ray set.
See, nobody really cares that Lucas wants to keep changing the films. He can do that all he wants.
What we care about is the fact that he does so at the expense of the earlier versions.
Hell, the 1997 SE has never been released on DVD, and that bothers me. I'd probably never watch it, but it really pisses me off that I can't.
Same thing with the theatrical cuts of Attack of the Clones. The only version available anywhere is a version of the DLP cut, with further alterations. The original 35mm cut has never been seen since theaters, and the original DLP cut, while not that different from the DVD cut, can't even be restored (by fans) because there's no reference available.
Same goes for The Phantom Menace. The DVD cut is not the same as the theatrical cut. The only version I own now is Adywan's reconstruction of the theatrical cut.
Hell, even Revenge of the Sith, which is almost exactly the same as the theatrical cut, isn't 100% the same - a wipe was replaced with a cut (or vice versa). While that doesn't bother me near as much, it's still not right.
I don't know how to wrap up this rant, so I'm just gonna end it here.
Empire of Dreams was fine as an A&E special--which it actually did air as in 2004--but as the "definitive documentary on the OT" its just a big fluff piece, really. Star Wars needed its own doc, and then they could have done a second part about 1978-1983.
Sevb32 said:
it can be BOTH. Both can co exist. People have a choice.
They do? Where? Those lucky bastards!
Sevb32 lives in an alternate reality, where, among other things, adywan only needs 2 weeks on ESB:R start to finish.
I think everyone including Ady would love to get the dimensional portal address of that universe.
Sevb32 said:
It shouldn't be an either or, or OT against SE, it can be BOTH.
That is our point. It is LUCAS that says it can't be both.
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well Star Wars may have been relegated to poor quality laserdisc but STAR CRASH on the other hand...
(So, I guess...it's bizarro world after all. I wonder when we crossed over?)
See how Star Wars, in its original form, inspired all sorts of sci-fi movies, good and bad. Another reason why the OOT needs to be kept alive.
Wow, is that for real?
Apparently...
http://www.amazon.com/Starcrash-Roger-Corman-Classics-Blu-ray/dp/B003NHMYHY
That's cool and sad at the same time...
For those that want to say that the films of star wars will not be re-mixed for and fixed blu-ray are wrong their have been articles all over the net saying that the the audio will be fixed and re-mixed for the blu-ray release. It won't be the same bad audio tracks that was on the dvd releases of episodes 4, 5, and 6.
I can honestly say i am far more interested in jambe's star wars begins than star wars unspecial edition 2004 on blu ray, and same with The People VS George i want on DVD.
I would like to see the deleted scenes, but since they are not going to be on DVD, along with a restored oot i will pass. Still don't have a blu ray player or HDTV. Even if i bought one tomorrow i probably would only rent the special features disc that is how bad i see the abomination of 2004.
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kenkraly2007 said:
For those that want to say that the films of star wars will not be re-mixed for and fixed blu-ray are wrong their have been articles all over the net saying that the the audio will be fixed and re-mixed for the blu-ray release. It won't be the same bad audio tracks that was on the dvd releases of episodes 4, 5, and 6.
Who said they won't be remixed?
As for fixed...care to provide some links?
If by fixed he means further changes then he is correct. Wood spoke to those TFN prequel gushers on their podcast about the changes.
Will anybody be buying the blu ray to use as a base to restore the oot, since Lucas a billionaire cannot release it.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.