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well my set came today...

 

I've avoided posting in this (or any other) thread regarding the changes.  I'm not particularly keen on them, but it's a foregone conclusion these days that lucasfilm (and I'm not even sure it's down to GL these days, I'm sure he just gets a memo with an idea that one of the staff gets, shrugs, and goes "yeah, why not?") will keep tampering with these films.

And like so many others here, I already have numerous choices should I want to watch a preferred cut

That said, I have only watched TPM so far (working through them in order, with my oh-so-tolerant wife...well, it was her who bought them for my birthday haha) and the picture quality is fantastic. sure the cgi sticks out like a sore thumb when it's mostly a live action background (i.e. the entrance to mos espa), but when reversed, like the naboo plains battle, or the space battle, it looks fantastic.

The deleted scenes for TPM ain't up to much either, but there was enough there that I hadn't seen before, and plenty of material should I decide to make "The Menace Revealed". just a shame all the bonus docs have that crappy yellow border

Anyway, overall, very happy so far and can't waitt o see what the rest looks like

FINISHED:
The Sith Revealed - A Scrapbook
Episode III The Video Game - The Movie
24: The Missing Day
Star Wars - The Interactive Board Game DVD
Battlefront - Journal of the 501st
The Clones Revealed

email me for details daveytod AT btinternet DOT com

 

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daveytod said:

well my set came today...

How did you get it so early?

That said, I have only watched TPM so far (working through them in order, with my oh-so-tolerant wife...well, it was her who bought them for my birthday haha) and the picture quality is fantastic. 

So were the rumors of DVNR greatly exaggerated? It would be great if at least the prequels had nice-looking transfers.

Anyway, overall, very happy so far and can't wait o see what the rest looks like

Have you checked the deleted scenes yet?

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I think George Lucas has a list. George's List. Where he takes note of all the things Fans hate about Star Wars but he likes.
_Hayden Christensen, Check.
_Ewoks, Check.
_Gungans, Check.
_Random CG characters in the background, Check.
_Darth Vader screaming Nooo, Check.

Then he thinks: Im going to avenge my movies by trolling the guys that insulted them, with extreme irony. I cant do this on Star Wars or Empire unless i want people throwing me stones while walking the street, ill have to add all this to Return of the Jedi.

Dont you think its TOO coincidental that every major criticised element of the prequels, those that became internet memes and that appear every time someone is insulting the prequels, ALL of them, appear in Return of the Jedi? It was already the worst of the OT and now it is a perfect compendium of the elements fans hated about the prequels. Return of the Jedi has become George Lucas finger, and he is not just showing it, he is charging us to see it.

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

daveytod said:

well my set came today...

How did you get it so early?

 

Was dispatched from play.com on weds.

That said, I have only watched TPM so far (working through them in order, with my oh-so-tolerant wife...well, it was her who bought them for my birthday haha) and the picture quality is fantastic. 

So were the rumors of DVNR greatly exaggerated? It would be great if at least the prequels had nice-looking transfers.

 

I haven't got the best eye for this kind of thing, but focused on the convo between yoda and mace at the end of the film, and it really isn't as waxy and smooth as people have been suggesting

Anyway, overall, very happy so far and can't wait o see what the rest looks like

Have you checked the deleted scenes yet?

 

only the ones for TPM, going to work through it movie by movie, and save the best til last. the ones for TPM aren't the best mind

 

 

 

 

 

FINISHED:
The Sith Revealed - A Scrapbook
Episode III The Video Game - The Movie
24: The Missing Day
Star Wars - The Interactive Board Game DVD
Battlefront - Journal of the 501st
The Clones Revealed

email me for details daveytod AT btinternet DOT com

 

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TV's Frink wrote: I'd be interested in if it's a reaction to all the one-star reviews, or simple price matching of other vendors.

or all part of the marketing strategy.  The more units you sell the greater the savings during production. 

Alien Anthology is 6 discs for $69.99 [$11.66/disc] (originally $99.99 @ $16.66/disc), a 1 year old set.

Star Wars is 9 discs at $79.99 [$8.88/disc] (originally $139.99 @ $15.55/disc).  That's a decent sign of economic popularity.  I'd guess they can probably drop these sets to under $50, they'll sell that many units. 

Here's a manufacturer: http://www.newcyberian.com/blu-ray.html

Quantity Unit Price (US$) Total Price (US$)
1,000 $ 5.20 $ 5,200.00
2,000 $ 4.10 $ 8,200.00
3,000 $ 3.98 $ 11,940.00
4,000 $ 3.70 $ 14,800.00
5,000 $ 3.15 $ 15,750.00
6,000 $ 2.99 $ 17,940.00
7,000 $ 2.85 $ 19,950.00
8,000 $ 2.79 $ 22,320.00
9,000 $ 2.70 $ 24,300.00
10,000 $ 2.60 $ 26,000.00
25,000 $ 2.40 $ 60,000.00
50,000 $ 2.30 $ 115,000.00
100,000 $ 2.20 $ 220,000.00

SW is talking hundreds of thousands maybe millions, so it might be safe to say, 2 bucks a disc.  There's some flip over point where it's worth dropping the price to 'X' to get that next level of unit production.  (but LFL is probably much more cautious after TPM era)  And for 2 million units, there might be another drop.  The advertising costs are probably greater then the discs themselves.

...and the round of articles over the last week saved LFL money, as they didn't need to do general promotion, the blogosphere and newspapers told the unsuspecting world the set was coming.

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generalfrevious said:

I'm just pissed off that nothing good will be released in this set;

I think some of the bonus features look pretty cool.

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sans_fi said:

I think George Lucas has a list. George's List. Where he takes note of all the things Fans hate about Star Wars but he likes.
_Hayden Christensen, Check.
_Ewoks, Check.
_Gungans, Check.
_Random CG characters in the background, Check.
_Darth Vader screaming Nooo, Check.

Then he thinks: Im going to avenge my movies by trolling the guys that insulted them, with extreme irony. I cant do this on Star Wars or Empire unless i want people throwing me stones while walking the street, ill have to add all this to Return of the Jedi.

Dont you think its TOO coincidental that every major criticised element of the prequels, those that became internet memes and that appear every time someone is insulting the prequels, ALL of them, appear in Return of the Jedi? It was already the worst of the OT and now it is a perfect compendium of the elements fans hated about the prequels. Return of the Jedi has become George Lucas finger, and he is not just showing it, he is charging us to see it.

He's either completely ignorant to the internet meme and mockery of "NOOOOOO" (hard to believe), or yes, he's being a total dick. Either way, Lucas is awful. And you bring up a good point. ROTJ is a good stomping ground. Though I was watching Harmy's ESB last night and was surprising how many little tweaks have been done to it over the years.

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theprequelsrule said:

Wow. How does this guy have any credibility? I noticed the colour problems immediately (the Tantive's laser blasts were so dull).

 You have to remember that Bill Hunt is routinely invited to Skywalker Ranch for previews when the DVD's came out and the Blurays just a few weeks ago. 

If he blasts Lucasfilm, then he won't get that invite anymore.
  I email him all the time that he needs to take a stand against Lucas tinkering with these films and stop attending these Lucasfilm promotions because he doesn't look objective.  

Of course, I dont' get a response, and I'm sure he will give this Bluray set a nice review, and just a passing mention that the movies have been altered again, and no originals in this set either.

Bingo.

Most reviewers will only say negative things about a release once they can get lost in the sea of complaints by other "respected" reviewers.  And that is usually only a few years later.

Well, then he's in the same camp as theforce.net

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miker71 said:

Just like Lucas couldn't/wouldn't secure rights to Flash Gordon, we need an exciting new franchise to get behind (and it won't be from Cameron either). I'm optimistic that can happen, but I think it will be "underground" global phenomena rather than overground corporate shilled-to-death. The Matrix came close IMO, but no cigar.

I don't think I agree with you about Cameron.

Think of it this way: Sci-fi epic is released, becomes a must see event by pushing visual effects to the next level, and it ends up being the highest grossing film of all time. Critical reception is mostly positive, it is nominated for many Oscars including Best Picture which it loses, but many people don't believe in the hype. Granted, the film builds much of its content from pre-existing properties.

Now stop. What film have I described? Star Wars. I know many dislike Avatar, but Star Wars wasn't a sacred cow when it was released either. Now I'm sure most of you discovered Star Wars when you were kids right? Well I doubt you could find a kid that has seen Avatar and didn't like it. Also, Avatar 2 and 3 haven't even come out yet. So we should wait before we pass too much judgement. 

As a side note, I think everyone should be looking forward to Avatar 2. If you've seen Aliens, Terminator 2, or, hell the Empire Strikes Back, you should know what kind of movie we'll get.

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thedaner said:

Monolithium said:

CO said:

theprequelsrule said:

Wow. How does this guy have any credibility? I noticed the colour problems immediately (the Tantive's laser blasts were so dull).

 You have to remember that Bill Hunt is routinely invited to Skywalker Ranch for previews when the DVD's came out and the Blurays just a few weeks ago. 

If he blasts Lucasfilm, then he won't get that invite anymore.
  I email him all the time that he needs to take a stand against Lucas tinkering with these films and stop attending these Lucasfilm promotions because he doesn't look objective.  

Of course, I dont' get a response, and I'm sure he will give this Bluray set a nice review, and just a passing mention that the movies have been altered again, and no originals in this set either.

Bingo.

Most reviewers will only say negative things about a release once they can get lost in the sea of complaints by other "respected" reviewers.  And that is usually only a few years later.

Well, then he's in the same camp as theforce.net

I don't know. If this set doesn't correct the lightsaber issues (as it apparently does not), Hunt may really lay into them and forgo said "Ranch Invite". He'd been told and reported in that visit to the Ranch that the issues had been resolved. He seemed really peeved in yesterday's post re: the 3D story (which turned out to be old) and I have a feeling "the end" of his being nice to Lucasfilm is nigh.

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DominicCobb said:

miker71 said:

Just like Lucas couldn't/wouldn't secure rights to Flash Gordon, we need an exciting new franchise to get behind (and it won't be from Cameron either). I'm optimistic that can happen, but I think it will be "underground" global phenomena rather than overground corporate shilled-to-death. The Matrix came close IMO, but no cigar.

I don't think I agree with you about Cameron.

Think of it this way: Sci-fi epic is released, becomes a must see event by pushing visual effects to the next level, and it ends up being the highest grossing film of all time. Critical reception is mostly positive, it is nominated for many Oscars including Best Picture which it loses, but many people don't believe in the hype. Granted, the film builds much of its content from pre-existing properties.

Now stop. What film have I described? Star Wars. I know many dislike Avatar, but Star Wars wasn't a sacred cow when it was released either. Now I'm sure most of you discovered Star Wars when you were kids right? Well I doubt you could find a kid that has seen Avatar and didn't like it. Also, Avatar 2 and 3 haven't even come out yet. So we should wait before we pass too much judgement. 

As a side note, I think everyone should be looking forward to Avatar 2. If you've seen Aliens, Terminator 2, or, hell the Empire Strikes Back, you should know what kind of movie we'll get.

I see your point, but I wouldn't lump Terminator 2 in with the others. T2 is essentially a remake of the original with a much higher budget. I actually prefer the original.

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miker71 said:

<span style="color: #ffffff; font-family: verdana, geneva, arial, helvetica, 'sans serif'; line-height: 17px; font-size: 12px;">Just like Lucas couldn't/wouldn't secure rights to Flash Gordon, we need an exciting new franchise to get behind (and it won't be from Cameron either). I'm optimistic that can happen, but I think it will be "underground" global phenomena rather than overground corporate shilled-to-death. The Matrix came close IMO, but no cigar.</span>


<span style="font-family: verdana, geneva, arial, helvetica, 'sans serif'; color: #ffffff;"><span style="line-height: 17px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #000000;"><span style="line-height: 14px;">I don't think I agree with you about Cameron. </span></span></span></span>

<span style="font-family: verdana, geneva, arial, helvetica, 'sans serif'; color: #ffffff;"><span style="line-height: 17px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #000000;"><span style="line-height: 14px;">Think of it this way: Sci-fi epic is released, becomes a must see event by pushing visual effects to the next level, and it ends up being the highest grossing film of all time. Critical reception is mostly positive, it is nominated for many Oscars including Best Picture which it loses, but many people don't believe in the hype. Granted, the film builds much of its content from pre-existing properties. </span></span></span></span>

<span style="font-family: verdana, geneva, arial, helvetica, 'sans serif'; color: #ffffff;"><span style="line-height: 17px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #000000;"><span style="line-height: 14px;">Now stop. What film have I described? Star Wars. I know many dislike Avatar, but Star Wars wasn't a sacred cow when it was released either. Now I'm sure most of you discovered Star Wars when you were kids right? Well I doubt you could find a kid that has seen Avatar and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">didn't</span> like it. Also, Avatar 2 and 3 haven't even come out yet. So we should wait before we pass too much judgement. </span></span></span></span>

<span style="font-family: verdana, geneva, arial, helvetica, 'sans serif'; color: #ffffff;"><span style="line-height: 17px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #000000;"><span style="line-height: 14px;">As a side note, I think everyone should be looking forward to Avatar 2. If you've seen Aliens, Terminator 2, or, hell the Empire Strikes Back, you should know what kind of movie we'll get.</span></span></span></span>


That's a really good point actually, and I certainly remember Star Wars getting hyped but the establishment rolling their eyes waiting for the "fad" to pass.

I have to say, I did enjoy Avatar - however, it contained nothing I haven't seen before, and nothing my son hasn't seen before in some context on his Xbox 360.

Also, in context of cinema, "global phenomena" is almost meaningless today, but back in the '70s and '80s it was amazing to behold, especially as a fan.

Star Wars got me because every release I saw something amazing, theatrical, cinematic, awesome - that I had never seen before (granted, as a kid you aint seen a lot). Cameron may be pushing the technology but I'm not convinced he's pushing his imagination. Maybe I have outgrown the demographic, "it's not you, it's me" - which still begs the question - where is the next bunch of films coming from that will excite me? I'd be thrilled to hear Star Wars was getting the full remake treatment at this stage (though braced for ultimate disappointment - but imagine if it didn't disappoint!)

Lucas can't even get his live action SW shiz together after all this time, so it really will be Death +70 years in my opinion. And I won't live that long either :(

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DominicCobb said:

miker71 said:

Just like Lucas couldn't/wouldn't secure rights to Flash Gordon, we need an exciting new franchise to get behind (and it won't be from Cameron either). I'm optimistic that can happen, but I think it will be "underground" global phenomena rather than overground corporate shilled-to-death. The Matrix came close IMO, but no cigar.

I don't think I agree with you about Cameron.

Think of it this way: Sci-fi epic is released, becomes a must see event by pushing visual effects to the next level, and it ends up being the highest grossing film of all time. Critical reception is mostly positive, it is nominated for many Oscars including Best Picture which it loses, but many people don't believe in the hype. Granted, the film builds much of its content from pre-existing properties.

Now stop. What film have I described? Star Wars. I know many dislike Avatar, but Star Wars wasn't a sacred cow when it was released either. Now I'm sure most of you discovered Star Wars when you were kids right? Well I doubt you could find a kid that has seen Avatar and didn't like it. Also, Avatar 2 and 3 haven't even come out yet. So we should wait before we pass too much judgement. 

As a side note, I think everyone should be looking forward to Avatar 2. If you've seen Aliens, Terminator 2, or, hell the Empire Strikes Back, you should know what kind of movie we'll get.

We will never see another Star Wars type phenomena. People move on to the next thing too quickly now thanks to our culture being oversaturated with media, and the audience being very tech savvy (there has been no real movie "magic" post-Jurassic Park). Special Effects used to be wizardry, now you just take a course.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
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We will never see another Star Wars type phenomena. People move on to the next thing too quickly now thanks to our culture being oversaturated with media, and the audience being very tech savvy (there has been no real movie "magic" post-Jurassic Park). Special Effects used to be wizardry, now you just take a course.

and now modify the above to account for Harry Potter.

 

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I'm not quite sure what Danny_boy is saying, but it is quite absurd to say that the 1982 VHS is a faithful guage of the quality of seeing the film in theatre, in terms of resolution.

Film and video really have no fixed "resolution" in the sense of how much detail you see. What you really want to be measuring is resolving power. I can transfer a hi-8 home movie upscaled to Blu Ray and it will be 1920x1080, but that measurement doesn't tell me anything about how much detail I can see. In general, a good theatrical print in decent condition should yield the same amount of detail as a middle-of-the-road Blu-ray. The 1982 Star Wars VHS is a horrible guage of seeing a print, it's soft and mushy, there's no fine detail, the colour is washed out, there's tape noise and tape hiss, and the colour space is very narrow.

Also, the 1982 telecine probably just came from a regular print, possibly a low-con one made for video but at that point in time it wasn't unusual to just get a regular print and make a telecine, because VHS back then was so soft you didn't really need to. It may have even been from a 16mm print, as television movies were commonly printed on 16mm back then.

Finally, I'm not sure why you would assume no one would want to see the camera negative, as this is what most restorations are made from, including the 2004/11 version of Star Wars; unless you meant an un-colour-corrected version, as the camera negative is not meant to be seen "raw". But then no print is ever seen raw, IPs and positive release prints are always colour timed when they get transferred.

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zombie84 said:

I'm not quite sure what Danny_boy is saying, but it is quite absurd to say that the 1982 VHS is a faithful guage of the quality of seeing the film in theatre, in terms of resolution.

Film and video really have no fixed "resolution" in the sense of how much detail you see. What you really want to be measuring is resolving power. I can transfer a hi-8 home movie upscaled to Blu Ray and it will be 1920x1080, but that measurement doesn't tell me anything about how much detail I can see. In general, a good theatrical print in decent condition should yield the same amount of detail as a middle-of-the-road Blu-ray. The 1982 Star Wars VHS is a horrible guage of seeing a print, it's soft and mushy, there's no fine detail, the colour is washed out, there's tape noise and tape hiss, and the colour space is very narrow.

Also, the 1982 telecine probably just came from a regular print, possibly a low-con one made for video but at that point in time it wasn't unusual to just get a regular print and make a telecine, because VHS back then was so soft you didn't really need to. It may have even been from a 16mm print, as television movies were commonly printed on 16mm back then.

Finally, I'm not sure why you would assume no one would want to see the camera negative, as this is what most restorations are made from, including the 2004/11 version of Star Wars; unless you meant an un-colour-corrected version, as the camera negative is not meant to be seen "raw". But then no print is ever seen raw, IPs and positive release prints are always colour timed when they get transferred.

 

(Yeah--lol!---I was refering to the raw camera negative!)

I actually have both PAl and NTSC copies of the 1982 1st official release.

They are both panned and scanned from the same print but with slightly different decisions as to what area of the film frame is telecined.

The PAL version is much sharper and clearer.

So you guys stateside have always been slightly short changed in terms of picture quality.

And I never said that the VHS(be it PAL or NTSC) was an accurate representation of the average theatrical print---and I should know:

I actually had the priveledge of watching  SW,ESB and ROTJ in a triple bill back in August 83'(aged 9)---but you can guess how me and my mates pumped ourselves up for that warm August evening----we watched that practically brand new(at that point) 1982 tape before heading off to the cinema!

And yeah----the distinction between what we could see at home and what we saw on the big screen that night was like night and day.

But a whole generation would grow up(I am one of them) watching these very tapes without the slightest concern for  dulled lightsabers,matte lines ,choppy audio and tape hiss---it is a physical product of that time----and we were just psyched just to be able to watch the film in the comfort of our own homes.

And still to this day I can still derive more joy from watching this 30 year old tape than from a modern blu ray transfer-----purely for nostalgic, sentimental aswell as aesthetic reasons ( i love seeng that dirt and torn sprockets holes!--)------it has nothing to do with the picture and audio quality----I love the story and the chracters, the editing---the enviroments--- the special effects---all of these factors are exactly the same irrespective of whether you watch it on 70mm screen or a VHS tape.

And the dirt and torn sprockets holes and mono sound is what most fans would have experienced when they saw the films theatrically in that era.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I saw Star Wars in 1977. Many, many, many times. For 3 years it was just Star Wars...period. I saw it in good theaters, cheap theaters and drive-ins with those clunky metal speakers you hang on your window. The screen and sound quality never subtracted from the excitement. I can watch the original cut right now, over 30 years later, on some beat up VHS tape and enjoy it. It's the story that makes this movie. Nothing? else.

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I showed my 91 year old great-grandmother the "Nooooooooooooooo!" scene. She laughed really hard, and then said "Why didn't he say 'Gooooooooooo!....over the cliff' ?"

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Give me 5 minutes in Photoshop and hearing someone call George Lucas "Georgie", and this is what you get.... :P

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Is this a still or the whole cartoon?

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Diego said:


SilverWook said:

I can't help but think they are still holding some deleted scenes back. Unless there are easter eggs yet to be found...


Well, the only ones I can think that are not included are on the BR set:

From Star Wars I believe there's some more footage of Luke, Han, Chewie and the princess wandering around the Death Star. Of course you could say that the whole Lost Cut is an alternate scene.

From Empire there's 3PO and R2 discussing the Wampas (not included in the Wampa deleted scenes on this set). There's also Lando rescuing Luke.

From Jedi, there must be some extra footage from the Rancor (the musical cue on the CD is longer than the film).


There were shots in the ROTJ trading cards of Luke hanging from the ceiling grate in the Rancor dungeon- a scene that was cut from the film. Apparently that's one scene that has been held back.

Does anyone know for sure if the scene in ESB where Luke's facial bandages are removed is included? There are no reports of Easter Eggs either, even though one of the LFL people hinted there would be.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of new deleted scenes from SW '77 on this set, either.


Ziggy Stardust said:
I showed my 91 year old great-grandmother the "Nooooooooooooooo!" scene. She laughed really hard, and then said "Why didn't he say 'Gooooooooooo!....over the cliff' ?"


Ha ha! Your Grandmother is a smart lady!

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Yep, I posted a link before:

The Aluminum Falcon said:

After the EW ESB scene was released, I posted a color corrected version on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvUyNoa22Jo

It's been like two days but this thing already has 39,051 views... Someone even ripped my color corrected version off and it's on whatculture.com...

It's actually an interesting extension although one probably not good for the movie was a whole...