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The Aluminum Falcon said:

captainsolo said:

It's here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Apocalypse-Now-OAR/topic/11386/page/3/

Thanks captainsolo. Sorry about being off-topic on the thread. The reason I asked this is because I was trying to understand exactly how vivid Star Wars should be since they both are very saturated Technicolor films.

It's a good question, but AN is much more saturated than SW. SW was 77 Panavision, so it wasn't really that different in color from other similarly shot '77 productions. Lots of browns, yellows etc. It's the IB prints and 70mm that really draw out the color because I don't think the general 35mm would have had the same density.

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digitalfreaknyc said:

 

dark_jedi said:



digitalfreaknyc said:

 


dark_jedi said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Man, I'd seriously love to crash blu-ray.com right now. What a bunch of assholes.



LOL, what did you expect? the second you brought up GL dying so that the UOT can be released, I knew you were going to get suspended, whether you were hoping for his death or not, it is bad form either way, so this really should be no surprise really that this happened, I mean I am not, I saw it coming.



Nah. I'm not surprised in the least. They're just so freakin' annoying. I let my temper get the best of me. ;)

It's probably "inappropriate" for their forums...but, as I stated, we talk about that on the Madonna forums all the time. Once she's dead, things will change. I'm not wishing death on anyone. I'm just stating my opinion of what will happen.

 


Well we all have our own thoughts on this, but I personally think it is inappropriate for any Forums myself, I know I do not like to read about that kind of stuff at all, I mean I know we are all going to "die" as you say it, but we do not need to talk about it, especially when it is about getting movies released, OH well I said enough, I need to get back out of this thread.


That's interesting.

I guess I'll go back to not ignoring reality, then?

 

My GOD man, it is NOT about ignoring reality, but it is not something to chat about, I have never sat around with my SW buddies and started talking about GL passing away just so I may have a chance at the UOT, or talked about dying in general with my Friends period, I mean what the hell? I would rather talk about what movie to see next? what video game to play next? who are you dating now? how is your Wife and Kids? but never death talk.

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dark_jedi said:



My GOD man, it is NOT about ignoring reality, but it is not something to chat about, I have never sat around with my SW buddies and started talking about GL passing away just so I may have a chance at the UOT, or talked about dying in general with my Friends period, I mean what the hell? I would rather talk about what movie to see next? what video game to play next? who are you dating now? how is your Wife and Kids? but never death talk.


Guess that's what makes the world go 'round, now innit? My friends and I talk about EVERYTHING. Nothing is off-limits. I'm not about having superficial relationships that only exist around movies and video games. Theres a bit more to life than that.
And, considering I'm gay, I have no wife or kids.

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digitalfreaknyc said:

 

dark_jedi said:



My GOD man, it is NOT about ignoring reality, but it is not something to chat about, I have never sat around with my SW buddies and started talking about GL passing away just so I may have a chance at the UOT, or talked about dying in general with my Friends period, I mean what the hell? I would rather talk about what movie to see next? what video game to play next? who are you dating now? how is your Wife and Kids? but never death talk.


Guess that's what makes the world go 'round, now innit? My friends and I talk about EVERYTHING. Nothing is off-limits. I'm not about having superficial relationships that only exist around movies and video games. Theres a bit more to life than that.
And, considering I'm gay, I have no wife or kids.

 

All I am trying to say is there are A LOT better things to talk about with your Friends, Family and Significant other, than death LOL, or discussing the death of someone so you could possibly benefit from, with a particular movie or CD.

OH, and I don't care that you are Gay, that doesn't affect me at all, I am not bothered by it, if it doesn't bother you, why should it me, so I do not know why you threw that out there.

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dark_jedi said:



digitalfreaknyc said:

 


dark_jedi said:


My GOD man, it is NOT about ignoring reality, but it is not something to chat about, I have never sat around with my SW buddies and started talking about GL passing away just so I may have a chance at the UOT, or talked about dying in general with my Friends period, I mean what the hell? I would rather talk about what movie to see next? what video game to play next? who are you dating now? how is your Wife and Kids? but never death talk.



Guess that's what makes the world go 'round, now innit? My friends and I talk about EVERYTHING. Nothing is off-limits. I'm not about having superficial relationships that only exist around movies and video games. Theres a bit more to life than that.
And, considering I'm gay, I have no wife or kids.

 


All I am trying to say is there are A LOT better things to talk about with your Friends, Family and Significant other, than death LOL, or discussing the death of someone so you could possibly benefit from, with a particular movie or CD.


I guess that's one of the shitty parts about getting older. When you're young, everything seems perfect and frozen in time. As you get older, you learn the truth about your favorite artists. Very rarely do they stay exactly as you remembered them, unfortunately.

I think I need to drink more or smoke more pot. Or both. lol :)

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captainsolo said:

It's the IB prints and 70mm that really draw out the color because I don't think the general 35mm would have had the same density.

Hmm so what you're saying is that the people who saw it in 70mm and IB prints would have a completely different experience than those who just saw 35mm prints? If the original trilogy, would it be restored to look like the 70mm/IB prints or 35mm then; if the 70mm/IB prints drew out extra color then does that mean the less colorful 35mm is closer to the cinematographer's intentions?

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What's going to happen to STAR WARS after GL dies is a pretty common topic around here and I don't see why it shouldn't be, because from the purely factual point of view it is a very important factor in what this forum is all about.

Bringing it up at BR.com is quite a bold move though, becuase there it's probably considered blasphemous ;-) It's like going to a fundamentalistcatholic.org forum and trying to start a conversation about what will happen to the universe after God kicks the bucket :-D

 

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Harmy wrote: It's like going to a fundamentalistcatholic.org forum and trying to start a conversation about what will happen to the universe after God kicks the bucket :-D

There is no George, silly.

 

Empire mag scans of their SW Cut Scene article:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/5114775-post21356.html

 

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TV's Frink said:

Alexrd said:

The Best on Blu-ray: Restoring the Star Wars Saga for the HD Generation

More Lucas revisionist history.

"Some of the issues come from these movies being finished for film and projected for film, and that's how people saw them. A lot of things that look a little different on HD or DVD are really the nature of how video treats color space," explains Huebler. A dramatic example of this came up in the 2004 DVD release, with the dimming of the lightsaber cores throughout the trilogy, even to the point where Luke's lightsaber aboard the Millennium Falcon shifted from blue to green in Episode IV.

*eyeroll*

I weep for Lucasfilm when the don't even know the reason the lightsaber colars are green when the should be blue or pink when the should be red.

*massive eyeroll*

*ouch*

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TV's Frink said:

Alexrd said:

The Best on Blu-ray: Restoring the Star Wars Saga for the HD Generation

More Lucas revisionist history.

"Some of the issues come from these movies being finished for film and projected for film, and that's how people saw them. A lot of things that look a little different on HD or DVD are really the nature of how video treats color space," explains Huebler. A dramatic example of this came up in the 2004 DVD release, with the dimming of the lightsaber cores throughout the trilogy, even to the point where Luke's lightsaber aboard the Millennium Falcon shifted from blue to green in Episode IV.

*eyeroll*

WOW!! Just WOW!!!

This to me, is the equivalent of 7 years ago, when they said the audio channels being reversed and drowned down was a creative decision.

I'd love to get this quote across the desk of Robert Harris or any respected film archivist and restorer.  I expect their response would be one sweet quote...along the lines of: "Tell this boy to be quiet, adults are trying to work" :P

In every early instance of Star Wars I saw that scene on the Falcon Luke's saber was argually closer to just white more than any other color, and very untidy a beam.  That green crap we saw in 2004 was all brand new.

Morons....what utter morons!!! All they do is disrespect themselves and their own crappy reputations by spinning some lies and garbage.

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ThiefCobbler4ever said:

I don't check up on this thread so you'll forgive me if this is redundant but:

http://starwars.com/news/saga_bluray_restoration/index.html

 

Look at image comparison #5. Can you say "Hallelujah!"? ;)

 

That's part of my point.  Some jack off is claiming it's was green on the DVDs because of "the process" and yet this time they've gone out of their way to fix it.

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I haven't been on the site in a while.  Looks like a bunch of stuff about the Blurays has finally surfaced, and really none of it has been unexpected.  I'm pleasantly surprised that they've acknowledged a few mistakes and corrected them, but the re-use of the 2004 masters with a few changes added on top rather than going to the trouble of a new scan shows the general laziness and complacency we've come to expect from LFL.

As far as the audio is concerned, I'm quite convinced that the new mix has followed exactly the same path as the video: it's just the 2004 version with a few edits and tweaks piled on top of it.  Sure, some of the most obvious defects have apparently been taken care of, such as the flipped music imaging in the rear channels and the missing score during the X-wing dive and so forth, but that doesn't change the fact that it sounds like garbage on the whole.  The sound in the ANH clips linked to in this thread all seems to be identical to the 2004 version as far as I can tell.  What tips me off?  Sound effects which originally were smoothly and unobtrusively integrated stand out and call too much attention to themselves, the dialogue has this weird over-processed sound that doesn't blend in with any of the other elements, the music tends to be buried in the mix, and the general feel of it is just "wrong" in the same way as the dvd version.

I can tell you right now that Matthew Wood is full of crap, and that he actually hasn't a clue what the movies ought to sound like.  He loves the fact that the R2 canyon scene is now completely quiet, where the original was brittle and full of hiss?  Well, what that actually means is that he noise-reduced the living hell out of every single sound effect in the movie in order to get it that silent.  None of the sound effects in the 2004 mix have any high frequency response whatsoever!  To compensate for this, they pumped up the mid-bass to extreme levels, and this leaves the entire movie sounding muffled and distorted, even the parts that managed to avoid more severe screw-ups.  The whole thing is an unlistenable mess, and I am quite certain that the Bluray version is going to be almost exactly the same, despite their claims of having done it over again.

Actually, I don't think Wood has ever even heard the 70mm version, because I listened to them all after reading that interview and his comment about the canyon rings utterly false.  Sure, the mono track is harsh and full of noise, because let's face it, the Academy mono system is ancient and low fidelity.  The stereo mix is better but still pretty hissy.  But in the 1993 mix, which as we know was sourced directly from the 70mm printmaster, there is barely a hiss to be heard in this scene.  Just a little bit, completely natural for an older analogue recording, but nothing obtrusive or objectionable.  His other comments about them lacking channel separation and so forth also lead me to think that he didn't bother to listen to the 70mm version, because his obvious disdain for the original mixes comes off as extremely uninformed and insulting to say the least.  He's evidently completely unaware that the 70mm mix had far superior dynamic range and fidelity, not only to the 35mm mixes but also to his supposedly wonderful remixed rubbish.

Even though I despise the SE's and would not buy these Blurays myself, it still infuriates me that the only legally obtainable version of the movie will be one that sounds so execrably awful.  "He knows the soundtrack so well he can instantly tell when something doesn't sound right?"  Puh-lease!  Don't make me laugh.  I've never even been inside a recording studio and I know a damn sight more about what this film ought to sound like, and that's just sad.  I guess the acoustics of Lucas' anal cavity are such that he can't hear how he's actually a completely tone-deaf buffoon, monkeying around with things that were already near-perfect in the first place.  Whatever . . .

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^But how do you really feel about it?

Heh heh. But seriously, you're right. They always seem to do the bare minimum and neglect things in their rush to get it on the shelves by the holiday season. When they do go above and beyond, it's just to add something to get it 1% closer to 'George's original vision.' (or to fix something we know is wrong and still make stuff up about why it happened) And we all know that'll never happen unless they invent some kinda machine that can hook up to his brain and record his thoughts.

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Ripplin said:

^But how do you really feel about it?

Heh heh. But seriously, you're right. They always seem to do the bare minimum and neglect things in their rush to get it on the shelves by the holiday season. When they do go above and beyond, it's just to add something to get it 1% closer to 'George's original vision.' (or to fix something we know is wrong and still make stuff up about why it happened) And we all know that'll never happen unless they invent some kinda machine that can hook up to his brain and record his thoughts.

Maybe Douglas Trumbull could help him out with that? ;)

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Alexrd said:

bkev said:

Man, I know I should really like the new CG yoda as the puppet for TPM was horrible. But, it just looks so out of place... which is funny considering you'd think CG would look good alongside more of it.

Except that was a real set.

Wasn't it a miniature ?

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dark_jedi said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

 

dark_jedi said:



digitalfreaknyc said:

 


dark_jedi said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Man, I'd seriously love to crash blu-ray.com right now. What a bunch of assholes.



LOL, what did you expect? the second you brought up GL dying so that the UOT can be released, I knew you were going to get suspended, whether you were hoping for his death or not, it is bad form either way, so this really should be no surprise really that this happened, I mean I am not, I saw it coming.



Nah. I'm not surprised in the least. They're just so freakin' annoying. I let my temper get the best of me. ;)

It's probably "inappropriate" for their forums...but, as I stated, we talk about that on the Madonna forums all the time. Once she's dead, things will change. I'm not wishing death on anyone. I'm just stating my opinion of what will happen.

 


Well we all have our own thoughts on this, but I personally think it is inappropriate for any Forums myself, I know I do not like to read about that kind of stuff at all, I mean I know we are all going to "die" as you say it, but we do not need to talk about it, especially when it is about getting movies released, OH well I said enough, I need to get back out of this thread.


That's interesting.

I guess I'll go back to not ignoring reality, then?

 

My GOD man, it is NOT about ignoring reality, but it is not something to chat about, I have never sat around with my SW buddies and started talking about GL passing away just so I may have a chance at the UOT, or talked about dying in general with my Friends period, I mean what the hell? I would rather talk about what movie to see next? what video game to play next? who are you dating now? how is your Wife and Kids? but never death talk.

Funny, Queen "fans" do it all the time.

"Hey what do you think, will the interesting stuff be released when Brian May and Roger Taylor are dead ? "

I also think it's "strange" to discuss these things, but people DO it

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pittrek said:

Alexrd said:

bkev said:

Man, I know I should really like the new CG yoda as the puppet for TPM was horrible. But, it just looks so out of place... which is funny considering you'd think CG would look good alongside more of it.

Except that was a real set.

Wasn't it a miniature ?

No.

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OH, and I don't care that you are Gay, that doesn't affect me at all, I am not bothered by it, if it doesn't bother you, why should it me, so I do not know why you threw that out there.


Because it means I don't have a wife...and probably don't have kids? lol. don't read too much into it.

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Coov said:



TV's Frink said:

Coov posted this on Bluray.com

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5005/vadp.jpg

tee-hee


I updated it a bit... :)


I updated it even further...

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Harmy wrote: It's like going to a fundamentalistcatholic.org forum and trying to start a conversation about what will happen to the universe after God kicks the bucket :-D

via:boards.theforce.net a UK promotional display.
Wait a minute, so if you don't buy the full saga set you don't get ANY bonus features? WTH? So if I want the OT and its deleted scenes I have to buy everything?! That's really dumb, I'm sorry.

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I'm hoping we can compile some fair reviews by knowledgeable folks like Hairy (sound), Ady (picture) and whoever else you think would be the exact right people to comment on relevant issues with the discs, after they're released. I mean no offense to those who have been saying things so far, but there would be far more value in having a collection of reviews of the actual, confirmed releases.

And yes 005, that's exactly the case.

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doubleofive said:

 

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Harmy wrote: It's like going to a fundamentalistcatholic.org forum and trying to start a conversation about what will happen to the universe after God kicks the bucket :-D

via:boards.theforce.net a UK promotional display.
Wait a minute, so if you don't buy the full saga set you don't get ANY bonus features? WTH? So if I want the OT and its deleted scenes I have to buy everything?! That's really dumb, I'm sorry.

 

Yeah...I thought this was well known.  It's a 9 disc set, the movies on the first 6 discs and the bonus features on the last three.  The OT set and the PT set are each just the 3 discs.  The only bonus features for those are the two commentaries on each movie.

In defense of Lucasfilm, that's not dumb, that's a smart sales strategy.  And other franchise releases (both DVD and Blu) have done something similar.  It sucks, but it's business.

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People will break these sets up on Ebay eventually.

Where were you in '77?