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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 194

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I like the digital bits review,

 

regarding the deleted scenes :

I've now seen many of the Original Trilogy deleted scenes. No... I can't tell you much about them (believe me, that drives me as crazy as it does you). But I was pretty surprised by them and in a good way. What I can tell you is that they are substantial - at least for the Original Trilogy. This isn't just dribs and drabs stuff - it includes long sequences. And they're extremely cool. Frankly, for me this is the real draw of the entire BD release. As you've seen in some of the teaser clips Lucasfilm has released, they're not pristine, but most of them are in HD - at least the Original Trilogy clips. And trust me, they're well worth seeing. It's stuff some of you have wanted to see in good quality since 1977, along with a few things fans may not have known even existed.

 

 

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TV's Frink wrote: I sent all my information to both LFL and the FBI just to save everyone the hassle....and I have a forum post that will automatically go up if I don't sign in here for 48 consecutive hours...

*shifty eyes*

I see, tfn-LFL and BRc-FBI... *strokes beard contemplatively*  Did you happen to communicate with TSA-Moth3r or the CIA-Jay... *doesn't wait for response*  I see...  *writes note*  Commander Kraly does he know of your wearabouts... *again doesn't wait for a response*  What about this so-called automatic post if you don't un-sign in for 48 consecutive hours?!  *cue dramatic music*

 

Yeah most deleted scenes in HD is nice.

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Chewtobacca said:

DVD-BOY said:

  • Paramount / Universal did Gladiator for the appalling quality video.

They set up an exchange program, but did not concede that there was anything wrong with the first release, so it was not a product recall as such.  I don't remember 20th Century Fox ever doing a product recall.

 IIRC, they (Universal) did the same thing for the Back to the Future boxed set, regarding framing issues (just in Part II, if memory serves).

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pittrek said:


Well ... wouldn't it be fun to find out that KenKraly is Matthew Wood ? :-)

Nice try but I am not Matthew Wood. my name is Ken Kraly aka kenkraly2007.

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kenkraly2007 said:

pittrek said:


Well ... wouldn't it be fun to find out that KenKraly is Matthew Wood ? :-)

Nice try but I am not Matthew Wood. my name is Ken Kraly aka kenkraly2007.

lol

My name is Tom Victor Frink aka TV's Frink.

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TV's Frink wrote:

kenkraly2007 said:

pittrek said:

Well ... wouldn't it be fun to find out that KenKraly is Matthew Wood ? :-)

Nice try but I am not Matthew Wood. my name is Ken Kraly aka kenkraly2007.

lol

My name is Tom Victor Frink aka TV's Frink.

*thunderclap* Wait a second, your bio says your full name is "Telly Vision eSquire Frinkasauraus" *sad horn*

kenkraly2007 aka kenkraly2004 aka luke30 aka ?  You are a cameleon who's skin stopped changing color.

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zombie84 said:

Pagz: In late 2003, Lucasfilm did an HD telecine of the films, which they colour-corrected, added new effects to and had cleaned by Lowry. The 2004 DVD set was a standard-def downconversion of that. The HD version was always intended to eventually become the highest-quality master (i.e. for blu ray), but it seems they did attempt to fix a couple issues people complained about by taking that master and tweaking it ever so slightly.

Someone mentioned before--these are the masters being used for the 3D conversion. I wonder therefore if the extra brightness boost is not actually an attempt to fix anything but merely compensating for the dulling quality of the polarized 3D glasses. Michael Bay did this already with TF3--he boosted the brightness of the master so that when audiences saw it in 3D it would have the same luminance as a regular 2D print. I mean, even TPM is way brighter, slightly unnaturally so in some shots, and it never had any of the dullness and black crushing issues of the OT.

re: the fixes

This makes me wonder if they'll bother to do a fresh scan for the 3D conversion in 2015-17. I mean, if they're inserting fixes like the wampa arm into the 1080p scan from 2004, then maybe Mr. Ward really wasn't kidding when he called this a "digital negative that we can use for theatrical if we choose to do so." Granted, they already did this in 2004 with the new Jabba model, but still....

re: your second paragraph

Zombie, perhaps you're overthinking things a bit? They did a new 2K scan of TPM, and that was probably for two reasons. 1) It needed a new scan anyway since the old transfer looks pretty terrible by today's standards and 2) They needed a nice cinema-resolution scan for the 3D conversion.

But I don't see why any 3D-related tweaks such as brightness boosting would be on the blu-ray transfer since, well, this is 2D.

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The review at the Digital Bits is encouraging. I trust Bill Hunt's opinions, but I know not everyone's a fan of his. It's interesting that he mentioned new changes to the movies; I had feeling George wouldn't be able to help himself.

He mentioned that Yoda in Episode I was not shown. So that's probably one of their last-minute surprises to get people to buy it.

Also, he mentioned that most deleted scenes are in HD, except for those shot on analog video. Which deleted scenes could possibly be analog video? Why would they even shoot in analog in the first place?

At this point when it comes to the Bluray release, I'm more interested in seeing the collective reaction of Star Wars fans than I in seeing the Blurays themselves.

And I cant wait to see if Ken Kraly keeps posting after the Blurays are released (option A: real person) or if he'll suddenly disappear (option B: PR gimmick).

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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ken's been around forever.  I've been finding posts from him on baseball sites from over ten years ago (IIRC).  That would be one long PR gimmick.

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Erikstormtrooper said:

Also, he mentioned that most deleted scenes are in HD, except for those shot on analog video. Which deleted scenes could possibly be analog video? Why would they even shoot in analog in the first place?

The scene with Vader that was reused/dubbed for the Holiday Special may only have been available anymore from the Holiday Special. Not sure what they'd do about the audio.

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Hmm... I think the Vader scene does exist aside from within the master of the Holiday Special; after all, it was only full screen there. I'm glad to hear that there's HD deleted scenes; those should prove great fodder for fan edits...

I think this will be the basis for the 3D version that will come out in theatres. I don't think LFL will consider going back to a rescan and manually redoing the 2004 changes. I'm really hoping that LFL did honestly bother to make this version look nice; the digitalbits review does look promising and I thoroughly trust that site, so my hopes are somewhat up.

The one thing that amazes me is how they fixed the Humdinger because of public reaction. I guess LFL isn't yet at the point to completely ignore the public.

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Anyone else wonder if Hayden is still at the end of ROTJ?  Of all the 2004 changes, that was the most criticized.

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Asaki said:



Chewtobacca said:


DVD-BOY said:
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They set up an exchange program, but did not concede that there was anything wrong with the first release, so it was not a product recall as such.  I don't remember 20th Century Fox ever doing a product recall.


 IIRC, they (Universal) did the same thing for the Back to the Future boxed set, regarding framing issues (just in Part II, if memory serves).


The Universal Back to the Future disc exchange worked like this. If you knew where to look you could get a number to call the costumer service people. They after taking your information of name and, address would send you a free prepaid envelope. You put Parts II & III in there and, they sent out the replacement discs to you in a brown cardboard box with packing material inside. The replacement discs came in unbranded clear CD cases.

The reason behind the Back to the Future framing issue was that they used ILM film masters for the original discs. I suspect that they used those masters due to possibly being a generation before the final matte of the effects shots. Alongside the framing issue all three discs suffered from certain player selective problems in regards to playing the fact tracks and, the conversation with Michael J. Fox special features. This occurred AFAIK due to using recently hired employees to do the DVD coding straight out of college. I could be wrong about that though. Anyway to fix the framing issue Zemeckis supervised the reframing of Parts II & III. They also fixed the fact tracks special feature problem on the discs. Since there was nothing wrong with the framing of Part I those discs were not part of the exchange program The Part I fact track and, conversation with Michael J. Fox errors remained.

Depending on what time you sent your discs in you would get a different replacement disc for part III. The early replacement discs contained the designation "V2" in the copyright info. For Part III another replacement version is out there with slightly different framing. It was sent out without the "V2" identifier or, any visual difference on the disc image. Nevertheless, it's often thought of as "V3" or, version 3. V3 was sent out to the later replacement disc crowd. I believe it's V3's framing on the Blu-rays.

AFAIK the re-release of BTTF disc set for a lower price contained the V2 and, V3 discs. Further the re-release with the ride footage each movie sold separately I think contained V2 and, V3 corrected framing.




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rpvee said:

Anyone else wonder if Hayden is still at the end of ROTJ?  Of all the 2004 changes, that was the most criticized.

Hayden still looks the same as he did then. It would be a bit better if they filmed new footage of him that was actually meant for the scene instead of just reusing test footage. Still, I miss Shaw...

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

rpvee said:

Anyone else wonder if Hayden is still at the end of ROTJ?  Of all the 2004 changes, that was the most criticized.

Hayden still looks the same as he did then. It would be a bit better if they filmed new footage of him that was actually meant for the scene instead of just reusing test footage. Still, I miss Shaw...

Oh, we know for certain?  Where was it confirmed?  I've only been lightly scanning the reviews.

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

rpvee said:

Anyone else wonder if Hayden is still at the end of ROTJ?  Of all the 2004 changes, that was the most criticized.


Hayden still looks the same as he did then. It would be a bit better if they filmed new footage of him that was actually meant for the scene instead of just reusing test footage. Still, I miss Shaw...

No, reusing ROTS footage in the film proper from an alternate angle. Lucas loves reverse angle cameras. ROTJ 2004 edit comparison.

Pause at 2:28 in ROTJ clip and, 4:18 in ROTS clip right as he starts smiling.

First part of the ROTJ edit in 2:18 of the ROTJ clip is 4:34 in ROTS clip.

Reverse angle camera basically.


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I don't think they're the same.

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My post meant that I wished they shot new footage for Hayden now (since he looks the same) because, as far as I know, the footage used was not specific to that scene. I just assume that the Blu-Ray will still contain the change; although some SE scenes were reverted before... Luke's scream for instance.

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Rock the vote? http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/314096/lucasfilm-on-star-wars-the-complete-saga-blu-ray-hands-on-report

I guess... option 4? If you're boycotting. Still, I call them chicken for not including the "no OOT = no sale" vote button.

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I know they flew people out there to get soft, lightweight coverage but the way the original versions issue is danced around wouldn't be acceptable to a high school newspaper reporter.It's amazing how scared grown adults are to really pursue that question after all these years. I wish they'd stop treating LFL with such reverence, it's just a company selling stuff, it's not royalty.

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Over at that HD site the guy says you could almost feel the force at the Presidium, yeah the dark side.  Since the originals are not going to be on the blu ray.

As Yoda says in those awful movies "the dark side clouds everything"

One thing the mockups reveal is that the phantom menace looks spectacular because it was shot on film, episode II and III look horrible, even worse than superman returns and that is saying something,

 

Also that they apparently retransfered all three prequels yet tweaked the 2004 master stuck at 1080P for the blu ray for the 2004 un-original originals.

 

Lucas not only hates the oot apparently he also just plainly hates the original trilogy period and gives all the effort on the shitquels.

 

Still even for aficionados who think the prequels were not up to par its nice that we are finally getting some of the non released deleted prequel material like qui gon's duel with maul on the queen's ship ramp as they leave tatooine. 

For me the deleted return of the jedi material is worth the price alone, the lightsaber build scene in complete unfinished form and also the extended bunker scene and sandstorm, though no jejerrod being choked by vader which is disappointing.

 

The deal-breakers for me.  Price of set and no inclusion of the oot or 1997 versions, only selected deleted material is being presented culled from over 30 plus years of the archives, no from star wars to jedi, the other docs being in standard def from old digital videotape masters made in the 90's, no empire of dreams, the cut down version or the unreleased longer director's cut version which they had hoped to release someday.  No Star Wars 77 rough cut or lost cut.

Also would not have killed them to offer the theatrical prequels, the imax cut of clones and the 1996 redone oot footage from special effects.

The 2004 original trilogy edit being stuck in pre 2004 state of the art resolution, and no new scan like zombie has said they cannot even get the special editions right.

 

You cannot get the oot deleted scenes and docs outside of the saga set, you have to buy the hated prequels to get them they are not in the trilogy only pack.  Its almost as bad as having to buy the 2004 version twice to get a non anamorphic laserdisc master from 1993 ported over as a bonus disc.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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The originals are not there! That should cause people to march on the streets.

No other  video release is sold like this, in which the ONLY thing that matters is not EVEN there. This should not even be sold as SW, but people will inevitably ignore it. What a shame. It is LIKE someone watching a brutal murder, and saying or doing nothing to stop it.

And don't trust these initial reviews.