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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 192

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I never did like Kenkraly's insistence that the collars would be fixed, but... wow.

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gallandro wrote: That's because they used the original HD transfers to edit together promotional material.  My guess would be the trailer was put together some 6+ months ago.  Editor used available materials and maybe made a couple of tweaks here or there, but clearly did not have the final product.

We don't know what they used for these promotional material.  We are trying to get the industry (but mostly LFL) to use their actual product when promoting.  The confusion it creates leads to problems. 

Another example of product confusion is with this HTF review they are providing screen captures which they say came from the DVD yet are at 1540x866 resolution.  The 2004 Star Wars DVDs were not that resolution.

 

Would your opinion of this review change if 'Ben Burtt' was 'Ben Burke' in first publishing?  The first comment in the HTF thread is now gone, and i'm left in an awkward spot, how do I discuss this clerical error when there is no mention of it's existence anymore...

But that's the problem with announcing a product and promoting it for almost a full year before its release date. The internet build up for these releases and the demand for more information is what fosters these practices.  ILM was probably still tweaking through the 1st quarter of this year.

The Comic Con Rebel Base viewing center is just one example of promotional materials gone awry.  In that particular instance we are probably taking about months of development and the edit of the Death Star attack footage with all the bells and whitsles of the multi-screen effect was probably produced early in the year, if not last year.

And I'm not disagreeing with you. 

 

Yancy

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bkev said:

I never did like Kenkraly's insistence that the collars would be fixed, but... wow.

It doesn't seem that way for Empire though:

Exact same colouring as the 2004 versions. I was really hoping that they would have fixed the horrible cyan colouring, but i guess they haven't :(  They have fixed the puppeteers arm in that shot but why is there a frame curvature in there fixed section in the bottom left?

 

EDIT: oops, my bad. i was comparing it on my ESB:R timeline where i have a slightly tweaked version of the 2004 which has a cyan hue change. Comparing it to the proper 2004 track it is actually slightly different but it looks like they have actually boosted the blues, as can be seen in the shaded area of the tauntaun's horns

The worrying thing is that it looks like they boosted the highs (brightness) a lot in this picture. If they ahve done this throughout ESB then we're in for a mess because it was already too bright which resulted in blown out images (just check the SE windows in the walk to the dining room scene in the 2004 version. All the detail is blown out)

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Ok, maybe this is a dumb question, does this mean those promotional clips (with the german dialogue) that have been popping up lately aren't from the actual blu-ray?

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Ok, maybe this is a dumb question, does this mean those promotional clips (with the german dialogue) that have been popping up lately aren't from the actual blu-ray?

Oh jeez... this is completely unexpected. I wonder if they kept the changed color scheme but individually corrected the lightsabers and other artifacts of the radical 2004 color timing ... Ah well, I suppose it will look technically acceptable then; however, wouldn't individual color correction make restoration to the original color timing decidedly harder? I wonder if it's a way of circumventing the popularity of color-corrected versions and establish the new color as definitive.

It would really be confusing if they just used some sort of temporary product in the advertisements and the finished ones are better. The 360-degree models and deleted scenes do sound interesting though, and I suppose there are actually some more changes to this (wampa arm, etc.). Also, I have a feeling the new sound mix will sound very different. Glad to hear there might by easter eggs.... (I'm really hoping for the Boba Fett Cartoon to pop up.) The lack of trailers seems to be truly unfortunate.

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adywan wrote:

bkev said:

I never did like Kenkraly's insistence that the collars would be fixed, but... wow.

It doesn't seem that way for Empire though:

Exact same colouring as the 2004 versions. I was really hoping that they would have fixed the horrible cyan colouring, but i guess they haven't :(  They have fixed the puppeteers arm in that shot but why is there a frame curvature in there fixed section in the bottom left?

Let's Play Color Comparison!!!!

(pics made really small so you focus on the colors - no peaking)

Chose the one you like best and get the file name to see which you prefer!

*EDIT*

added a few more at 6pm EST

 

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adywan said:

bkev said:

I never did like Kenkraly's insistence that the collars would be fixed, but... wow.

It doesn't seem that way for Empire though:

Exact same colouring as the 2004 versions. I was really hoping that they would have fixed the horrible cyan colouring, but i guess they haven't :(  They have fixed the puppeteers arm in that shot but why is there a frame curvature in there fixed section in the bottom left?

maybe the screens on HTF are just mock ups made by HTF- the photos really aren't given credit or mentioned in the article-  the quality of them is pretty crappy across the board on all of them, especially the super noisy ROTJ screen

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teamneedle said:

Maybe the screens on HTF are just mock ups made by HTF- the photos really aren't given credit or mentioned in the article-  the quality of them is pretty crappy across the board on all of them, especially the super noisy ROTJ screen

If that were true, HTF would be genuinely awful and utterly unprofessional. If they are just mockups, there should be a disclaimer, although that would explain why all the promotional trailers looked worse in terms of lightsabers and why the Humdinger was present in Comic Con.

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They're mock-ups.


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The images I provide are never identified above as "screen captures" They are compressed (even further by me) graphical illustrations of the work that was done. They serve only to illustrate some of the fixes made, and if you look at them you should be able to see the before and after differences. Not sure how thats sheep-like. In later parts I'll discuss answers to why no original cuts, why some documentaries were left off and other questions.

Note the bold in the above quote. It comes from the same person who posted those caps we were looking at...

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ARGH! I should have known better and read the comments below. My bad. Still, the automatic assumption would be that they were captures, as he says "Blu-Ray on the right." Thanks for clarifying, bkev.

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No, I was pretty skeptical until I ended up reading the thread too; I thought they were real too. That's beyond unprofessional.

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These movies have been so butchered and screwed up it's disgusting.

Crushed blacks, changed hues, brightened images, loss of detail, recolored lightsabers... It goes on and on.

It's like a chef compensating for flavor by continually adding different ingredients, but no matter how hard he tries the desired flavor is unattainable. Eventually he starts over

Lucas, just go back to the original sources and rescan them without all this tampering. It's not that hard.

bkev - I don't see that quote by Adam Gregorich on here or the HTF thread. Where did he say that?

 

 

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georgec said:

Lucas, just go back to the original sources and rescan them without all this tampering. It's not that hard.

I know, it's easy; every director has done that for video transfers. But Lucas has twisted everything so much that common sense no longer exists for him.

If the franchise's greatest flaw is its creator, what does that say about the franchise? I can no longer understand why SW became so great back then.

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generalfrevious said:

I can no longer understand why SW became so great back then.

Oh I can fully understand, why it became so great BACK THEN...

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Ugh... so much for getting our hopes up.  The purple saber will remain, I guess.

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Q: Is the holiday special on there?

A:  You’ll have to wait and see!  The holiday special is a challenge, but look for some Easter Eggs – what’s a Star Wars release without a couple of Easter Eggs?!


The fuck? lol

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Laserschwert said:

generalfrevious said:

I can no longer understand why SW became so great back then.

Oh I can fully understand, why it became so great BACK THEN...

It was great because there were other people (Kurtz, Marcia Lucas, Kazanjian, Kerschner, etc.) who really made the important creative contributions. Lucas had the general idea but those people made it work. When Lucas decided he'd rather focus on a toy empire, he got rid of everyone who challenged him creatively and surrounded himself with sycophants.

But, we're all posting on this forum because we already know this, so I don't know why I'm saying it.

“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”

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People on TFN are insisting that the guy's mockups aren't the Blu-Ray screencaps, it's the DVD screencaps used to compare the Blu-Ray ones with.  Reading all the comments on HTF, it is rather vague.

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this post is where he says they are mock ups.

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"Here is an article about the blu-rays with pictures to illustrate what is on them. Except they are not from them. Why would you think that? "

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The page art in the blu-ray book has to be some kind of elaborate joke. I'm at a loss for words.....

 

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I think the art actually looks pretty nice.  For the films, at least.

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bkev said:

this post is where he says they are mock ups.

Thanks, missed that in my quick scan of the page.

What a great article - "I saw the blu-rays, they are amazing! Here are some images showing their picture quality! Wait, they aren't representative of the discs!"

I believe that he thinks the PQ is most excellent, but this is the internet - pics or GTFO. I don't blame him for not having official screenshots, but I think it's a shitty move to post images as if they are screen caps. Quite misleading, even if he clarified that later.

I think kenkraly2004 is the greatest troll to ever use the internet. Reading his comments on blu-ray.com is laughable. He's like a blind cheerleader. I just posted the link bkev provided to Adam's comments over there. Of course I'm going to get flamed while nobody will take a moment to realize the guy who gave the report himself is saying those pics aren't direct screen captures.

Someone enlighten me, though - I genuinely don't understand how images can be from the "new transfer" but not be screen captures of the blu-ray disc. How would someone have access to the "transfer" if he doesn't have screenshots?

“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”