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This is why this is a troll thread you only seem to want to disagree with people and not really discuss interesting things.

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BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

Mocata said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

Since you brought it up, I’d say that “debacle” is a much more accurate description of the ST (so far) than the PT.
It doesn’t get more cringeworthy than than the unfortunate juxtaposition of Rose’s “saving what we love” speech with the laser blasting “what they love” in center frame as they lean in for the kiss.

And people thought “I don’t like sand” was bad. Yeesh.

Stop, my sides are hurting.

Do you honestly disagree?

I don’t know if there’s much point in me clarifying. but yes I 100% disagree and I really think you did not understand what actually was happening in that scene with rose and Finn.

I get that some people think that finn might have actually destroyed the laser but I think that that is the wrong conclusion and I am not alone.

Had she not redirected his misguided heroics he would have ended up dead and the laser would have still blown through the door. Not a winning strategy to have your few remaining Rebels die ‘heroically’.

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dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

Mocata said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

Since you brought it up, I’d say that “debacle” is a much more accurate description of the ST (so far) than the PT.
It doesn’t get more cringeworthy than than the unfortunate juxtaposition of Rose’s “saving what we love” speech with the laser blasting “what they love” in center frame as they lean in for the kiss.

And people thought “I don’t like sand” was bad. Yeesh.

Stop, my sides are hurting.

Do you honestly disagree?

I don’t know if there’s much point in me clarifying. but yes I 100% disagree and I really think you did not understand what actually was happening in that scene with rose and Finn.

I get that some people think that finn might have actually destroyed the laser but I think that that is the wrong conclusion and I am not alone.

Had she not redirected his misguided heroics he would have ended up dead and the laser would have still blown through the door. Not a winning strategy to have your few remaining Rebels die ‘heroically’.

Right, but the point is that it was poorly communicated and left you to puzzle it out later.
Like, I could say that the point of the sand line is that Anakin came from Tatooine, but you wouldn’t think that that makes it better.

And also, the jarring tonal clash is still there even in your version, since the laser was apparently going to kill “what we love” either way.

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BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

Mocata said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

Since you brought it up, I’d say that “debacle” is a much more accurate description of the ST (so far) than the PT.
It doesn’t get more cringeworthy than than the unfortunate juxtaposition of Rose’s “saving what we love” speech with the laser blasting “what they love” in center frame as they lean in for the kiss.

And people thought “I don’t like sand” was bad. Yeesh.

Stop, my sides are hurting.

Do you honestly disagree?

I don’t know if there’s much point in me clarifying. but yes I 100% disagree and I really think you did not understand what actually was happening in that scene with rose and Finn.

I get that some people think that finn might have actually destroyed the laser but I think that that is the wrong conclusion and I am not alone.

Had she not redirected his misguided heroics he would have ended up dead and the laser would have still blown through the door. Not a winning strategy to have your few remaining Rebels die ‘heroically’.

Right, but the point is that it was poorly communicated and left you to puzzle it out later.
Like, I could say that the point of the sand line is that Anakin came from Tatooine, but you wouldn’t think that that makes it better.

If you agree, then why do you still believe /post otherwise? I am left to believe you are trolling this site.

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BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

Mocata said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

Since you brought it up, I’d say that “debacle” is a much more accurate description of the ST (so far) than the PT.
It doesn’t get more cringeworthy than than the unfortunate juxtaposition of Rose’s “saving what we love” speech with the laser blasting “what they love” in center frame as they lean in for the kiss.

And people thought “I don’t like sand” was bad. Yeesh.

Stop, my sides are hurting.

Do you honestly disagree?

I don’t know if there’s much point in me clarifying. but yes I 100% disagree and I really think you did not understand what actually was happening in that scene with rose and Finn.

I get that some people think that finn might have actually destroyed the laser but I think that that is the wrong conclusion and I am not alone.

Had she not redirected his misguided heroics he would have ended up dead and the laser would have still blown through the door. Not a winning strategy to have your few remaining Rebels die ‘heroically’.

Right, but the point is that it was poorly communicated and left you to puzzle it out later.
Like, I could say that the point of the sand line is that Anakin came from Tatooine, but you wouldn’t think that that makes it better.

And also, the jarring tonal clash is still there even in your version, since the laser was apparently going to kill “what we love” either way.

you are the first person that I’ve heard of describing this as a ‘tonal clash’.

Watching the movie we know that the rebels are in Dire Straits. But I think everyone watching a movie also believes that somehow they will survive. Because it’s a movie and you don’t kill off all the rebels.

so even though people watching a movie or expected to feel like “oh no what are they going to do now”. I certainly did not feel like they were absolutely destroyed at the point that the laser blasted and just meant that they would have to try something else.

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dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:

BiggsFan44 said:

Mocata said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

Since you brought it up, I’d say that “debacle” is a much more accurate description of the ST (so far) than the PT.
It doesn’t get more cringeworthy than than the unfortunate juxtaposition of Rose’s “saving what we love” speech with the laser blasting “what they love” in center frame as they lean in for the kiss.

And people thought “I don’t like sand” was bad. Yeesh.

Stop, my sides are hurting.

Do you honestly disagree?

I don’t know if there’s much point in me clarifying. but yes I 100% disagree and I really think you did not understand what actually was happening in that scene with rose and Finn.

I get that some people think that finn might have actually destroyed the laser but I think that that is the wrong conclusion and I am not alone.

Had she not redirected his misguided heroics he would have ended up dead and the laser would have still blown through the door. Not a winning strategy to have your few remaining Rebels die ‘heroically’.

Right, but the point is that it was poorly communicated and left you to puzzle it out later.
Like, I could say that the point of the sand line is that Anakin came from Tatooine, but you wouldn’t think that that makes it better.

If you agree, then why do you still believe /post otherwise? I am left to believe you are trolling this site.

I don’t agree that Anakin’s line is bad. I’m just showing how explaining the intended point to someone who thinks a scene doesn’t work will not usually change their minds, since they don’t like it BECAUSE they think the point was poorly made.

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Now since this is obviously just a “you hate the Last Jedi” thread I am done posting here.

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DrDre said:

Mocata said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

The problem of this divisive approach is that it has resulted in two trilogies that have left a bad taste in a large subsection of the fanbase. It seems with each trilogy the fanbase is shattered further rather than united under one unifying vision that is satisfying to OT, PT, and ST fans alike, whilst bringing new fans into the fold. While I’m not a fan of the ST, I’m actually more concerned with LFM’s inability to create such a vision, and not to greatly piss off some significant portion of the fanbase. The disdain expressed by the different subsections of the fanbase towards each otherseen in articles, on youtube, and in this thread, whether it be OT fans, PT fans, or ST fans is a testament to that failure.

Now this is respectful way of expressing disappointment at the ST “not respecting” prior films.

a trolling bantha

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dahmage said:

This is why this is a troll thread you only seem to want to disagree with people and not really discuss interesting things.

Yarp.

a trolling bantha

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dahmage said:
you are the first person that I’ve heard of describing this as a ‘tonal clash’.

It’s a scene right out of a parody.
The laser that’s going to kill “what we love” fires in center frame right as they lean in for the kiss after Rose’s “saving what we love” speech.

I have never EVER seen a more utterly insane development in the SW community than people who think that the ST isn’t a fucking joke compared even to the PT, let alone the OT.

It’s like the people who bashed the PT for years just shut down when movies worse than the PT come out.
Maybe because they know that they’re the reason why these new movies are cinematic abortions.

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dahmage said:

Now since this is obviously just a “you hate the Last Jedi” thread I am done posting here.

I hate TFA far more. TLJ at least didn’t feel like “I’m smarter than Lucas watch me fix SW: The Movie.”
The Luke plot had potential in another, better trilogy status quo.
I liked Old Man Luke, but he died for no reason, and Rey and Kylo are still hollow, empty characters.
And again, it’s not even about that. It’s about that in relation to the fact that PT haters are acting like these movies are some kind of a return to form for Star Wars.

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BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:
you are the first person that I’ve heard of describing this as a ‘tonal clash’.

It’s a scene right out of a parody.
The laser that’s going to kill “what we love” fires in center frame right as they lean in for the kiss after Rose’s “saving what we love” speech.

I have never EVER seen a more utterly insane development in the SW community than people who think that the ST isn’t a fucking joke compared even to the PT, let alone the OT.

It’s like the people who bashed the PT for years just shut down when movies worse than the PT come out.
Maybe because they know that they’re the reason why these new movies are cinematic abortions.

you’re being extremely aggresive and hateful. that is 99% of the time a really bad thing.

i was also going to try to answer the topic but i don’t understand most of what you said so far, sorry.

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Why is this topic even still open? Hasn’t it been proven again and again that seemingly the only point here is to talk about the ST, which could easily be done in the review threads?

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DominicCobb said:

Why is this topic even still open? Hasn’t it been proven again and again that seemingly the only point here is to talk about the ST, which could easily be done in the review threads?

My OP is not about the ST beyond it being a part of SW.

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BiggsFan44 said:

DominicCobb said:

Why is this topic even still open? Hasn’t it been proven again and again that seemingly the only point here is to talk about the ST, which could easily be done in the review threads?

My OP is not about the ST beyond it being a part of SW.

the thread is you complaining about the ST though.

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BiggsFan44 said:

DominicCobb said:

Why is this topic even still open? Hasn’t it been proven again and again that seemingly the only point here is to talk about the ST, which could easily be done in the review threads?

My OP is not about the ST beyond it being a part of SW.

Then why are all your posts about your personal issues with the ST (that have nothing to do with the series being a “cohesive saga”)?

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Collipso said:

BiggsFan44 said:

DominicCobb said:

Why is this topic even still open? Hasn’t it been proven again and again that seemingly the only point here is to talk about the ST, which could easily be done in the review threads?

My OP is not about the ST beyond it being a part of SW.

the thread is you complaining about the ST though.

In response to others posting opinions I don’t share.

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DominicCobb said:

BiggsFan44 said:

DominicCobb said:

Why is this topic even still open? Hasn’t it been proven again and again that seemingly the only point here is to talk about the ST, which could easily be done in the review threads?

My OP is not about the ST beyond it being a part of SW.

Then why are all your posts about your personal issues with the ST (that have nothing to do with the series being a “cohesive saga”)?

“All my posts” are not. The are plenty that are simply trying to communicate what the question my OP was asking is.

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BiggsFan44 said:

dahmage said:
you are the first person that I’ve heard of describing this as a ‘tonal clash’.

It’s a scene right out of a parody.
The laser that’s going to kill “what we love” fires in center frame right as they lean in for the kiss after Rose’s “saving what we love” speech.

I have never EVER seen a more utterly insane development in the SW community than people who think that the ST isn’t a fucking joke compared even to the PT, let alone the OT.

It’s like the people who bashed the PT for years just shut down when movies worse than the PT come out.
Maybe because they know that they’re the reason why these new movies are cinematic abortions.

I think you should realize, that with these kinds of flaming posts, you probably won’t be here for long. It’s perfectly fine to discuss in what way the ST, PT or any of the films " disrespect" canon, but be prepared to accept that others may have a different point of view. What’s good to you may be bad to someone else or vice versa.

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DrDre said:

Mocata said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

The problem of this divisive approach is that it has resulted in two trilogies that have left a bad taste in a large subsection of the fanbase. It seems with each trilogy the fanbase is shattered further rather than united under one unifying vision that is satisfying to OT, PT, and ST fans alike, whilst bringing new fans into the fold. While I’m not a fan of the ST, I’m actually more concerned with LFM’s inability to create such a vision, and not to greatly piss off some significant portion of the fanbase. The disdain expressed by the different subsections of the fanbase towards each other seen in articles, on youtube, and in this thread, whether it be OT fans, PT fans, or ST fans is a testament to that failure.

Sure some people don’t like what was done so far in the new trilogy. But to say that these films are the problem and not the prequels seems more than a little odd. Even if you don’t enjoy them they at least try and fit the “SW Feel”. Disney is all about brand integrity after all. The PT instead is like a weird boring slog where everyone is playing a creepy monotone zombie in front of a bad green screen. The only thing those fit with tonally is the Luke/Leia Luke/Ben scenes from act three of ROTJ where George was clearly pulling the strings. The exact things every hates about ROTJ but magnified into a whole new trilogy.

Yub Nub for life

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Mocata said:

DrDre said:

Mocata said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

The problem of this divisive approach is that it has resulted in two trilogies that have left a bad taste in a large subsection of the fanbase. It seems with each trilogy the fanbase is shattered further rather than united under one unifying vision that is satisfying to OT, PT, and ST fans alike, whilst bringing new fans into the fold. While I’m not a fan of the ST, I’m actually more concerned with LFM’s inability to create such a vision, and not to greatly piss off some significant portion of the fanbase. The disdain expressed by the different subsections of the fanbase towards each other seen in articles, on youtube, and in this thread, whether it be OT fans, PT fans, or ST fans is a testament to that failure.

Sure some people don’t like what was done so far in the new trilogy. But to say that these films are the problem and not the prequels seems more than a little odd.

he’s saying both trilogies are the problem because they were both divisive. or at least that’s what i got from it.

Even if you don’t enjoy them they at least try and fit the “SW Feel”.

to you.

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Star Wars has been dividing fans since Empire. Considering the passion fans hold for this series, and its nature as an ever expanding and evolving mythology, each new installment is bound to cause a considerable stir no matter what. Everyone would be a lot happier if they stopped getting so angry about the things they didn’t like and just ignored them, and instead focused on the things they did like. No need whatsoever to stress about things “not fitting canon” that way.

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DominicCobb said:

Star Wars has been dividing fans since Empire. Considering the passion fans hold for this series, and its nature as an ever expanding and evolving mythology, each new installment is bound to cause a considerable stir no matter what. Everyone would be a lot happier if they stopped getting so angry about the things they didn’t like and just ignored them, and instead focused on the things they did like. No need whatsoever to stress about things “not fitting canon” that way.

i agree.